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blueeyeliner said:
Heathen said:
Define evolution Blue. No links, no insults, no dodging. Just define evolution. If you can't, sod off, because this is a science forum.

:B-fly: " No insults"? Coming from you,thats got to be funny!
First of all,this is a christian forum. Second,this is not much of
a science forum when no one here is talking much about it.
Evolution is not science.
Yes,you want me to define evolution for you so I'll have to stay
here writing all day,but I don't think so. You nod off.
First you are known to ask for links and then you take it back?
Hmmmm........................

http://www.origins.org/articles/johnson_unraveling.html
Just admit it; say, sorry everyone, I actually am not sure what evolution is.
 
:B-fly: Show us all the scriptures to support these outrageous claims
you make![/quote]


I did show you the scripture. The scripture stated babies are being killed, and the person who's killing them are happy because of it. The babies being in babylon don't not make them babies.

You said God was in control, not me. Therefore, if God is in control, then everything that happens is according to what he wants.

:B-fly: You just showed scripture concerning Babylon,not any scripture
where God tells people to kill their babies.
Yes,God is in control not you,and not me,just him,amen.
God is not slack,and he's not slow. God is letting evil destroy itself.
It's such a shame you'd rather be lost than to know the truth.
 
http://www.origins.org/articles/johnson_unraveling.html[/quote]
Just admit it; say, sorry everyone, I actually am not sure what evolution is.

:wink: You know that I cannot do that. You know I know what
evolution is or else you'll have to admit that you didn't know what
you have been saying all along,but you are way too puffed up to
admit to that,aren't you?
If I don't know what evolution is,then you are prone to argue with
people for no good reason.

Why not tell us why your so called science has to borrow from so
many other fields like medicine,ect.....
Why can't it carry any weight on it's own?
http://www.evolutiondocumentary.com
 
ThinkerMan:
Now, can you describe evolution through natural selection as we believe it occurs? In an objective fashion? In your own words? Are you able to articulate our position?

I think some here would be interested to see what you would say....I know I am.

8-) The odd thing is,is that you keep changing what you mean by
evolution so much,and thats a very old trick,and I'm very much
aware of it. I am not willing to sit here and write all day for you.
I have books,and I have all kinds of information about the subject,
but if you believe I'm wrong,then it's your job to prove it not mine.
This topic was made just for me,not the other way around.
Keeping me busy writing all this information will buy you more time,
but I am not going to do it. This is a debate,not a writing or english
contest. Repeatedly you always go back to insulting my writing and my
English,yet this is not what the debate is about.
Everyone makes mistakes in their writing.
Evolution is not science. No,true science and christianity are not at
war with each other. Not at all,amen.
 
ThinkerMan:You often quote creationist sciencists on the sites you promote.

:roll: So now you are against Creationist Scientists?
What difference would it make if science doesn't change?
None. Secular scientists are more prone to having their
own biased opinions and agenda's.
 
:roll: I've seen this before. The old "you don't know what evolution is" routine :roll:
 
blueeyeliner said:
You know that I cannot do that. You know I know what evolution is or else you'll have to admit that you didn't know what
you have been saying all along,but you are way too puffed up to
admit to that,aren't you?


How do you figure that, eh?? We've shown you evolution, and you say it's not evolution. So now I'm asking you what evolution is, in your own words. I know what it is, scientists know what it is. This definition hasn't changed.

If I don't know what evolution is,then you are prone to argue with
people for no good reason.

No, we are prone to argue with people who don't know what they're talking about, to show others that they don't know what they're talking about.

Why not tell us why your so called science has to borrow from so
many other fields like medicine,ect.....

Medicine isn't a field!!! It's a part of biology!! Evolution is a part of biology!
 
blueeyeliner said:
ThinkerMan:
Now, can you describe evolution through natural selection as we believe it occurs? In an objective fashion? In your own words? Are you able to articulate our position?

I think some here would be interested to see what you would say....I know I am.

8-) The odd thing is,is that you keep changing what you mean by
evolution so much,and thats a very old trick,and I'm very much
aware of it. I am not willing to sit here and write all day for you.
I have books,and I have all kinds of information about the subject,
but if you believe I'm wrong,then it's your job to prove it not mine.
This topic was made just for me,not the other way around.
Keeping me busy writing all this information will buy you more time,
but I am not going to do it. This is a debate,not a writing or english
contest. Repeatedly you always go back to insulting my writing and my
English,yet this is not what the debate is about.
Everyone makes mistakes in their writing.
Evolution is not science. No,true science and christianity are not at
war with each other. Not at all,amen.


Blueeyeliner...please define the theory of evolution in your own words!! Stop dodging the question. You admit that you can't define it. So you admit you dont' know anything about it. How do you know it's wrong, if you don't even know what it is???
 
mhess13 said:
:roll: I've seen this before. The old "you don't know what evolution is" routine :roll:


I'm not claiming she doesn't know what evolution is mhess. I'm asking her to define it. Simple as that. If she says she cannot define it, then she doesn't know what evolution is.

Why don't you define what evolution is, mhess???
 
blueeyeliner said:
ThinkerMan:You often quote creationist sciencists on the sites you promote.

:roll: So now you are against Creationist Scientists?
What difference would it make if science doesn't change?
None. Secular scientists are more prone to having their
own biased opinions and agenda's.


Wrong blue. Science is self correcting. If someone claims something, other scientists jump on it, and try to show how it's wrong. It's called peer reviewing.

The reason why things change in science is because we gain more knowledge of something, therefore we correct what is wrong. That's why it changes.
 
Whew....lemme see if I can respond to these...

If I don't know what evolution is,then you are prone to argue with
people for no good reason.

Yes, we are beginning to feel that way..

Why not tell us why your so called science has to borrow from so
many other fields like medicine,ect.....
Why can't it carry any weight on it's own?

After reading that a few times, I have no idea what you are talking about. All sciences are interelated to an extend. The fundamentals behind them are the scientific method, mathematics, and the rules of chemistry and physics.

If evolution was not so dependent on the same fundamentals that medicine was, I would agree with you that it is weak. However, quite to the contrary evolution depends very much on the same fundamentals as medicine.

What was your point?

The odd thing is,is that you keep changing what you mean by
evolution so much,and thats a very old trick,and I'm very much
aware of it.

I have done nothing of the sort. I actually gave the the opportunity to define it for me, so there wouldn't be any questions. If you would like me to articulate exactly what I believe, please ask and I will do so, so there will be no confusion.

Repeatedly you always go back to insulting my writing and my
English,yet this is not what the debate is about.

While it does make me cringe sometimes, I have done no such thing. When I asked to you articulate in your own words I simply meant that I would like to see you state my position.

This is a debate

Yes it is. And in a debate you MUST be able to state your oppositions position.

If you do not understand my beliefs, nor try to understand them, then you have violated a primary rule of honest debate.

I showed you I understand what you believe, but you have yet to demonstrate that you can do the same.

So now you are against Creationist Scientists?
What difference would it make if science doesn't change?
None. Secular scientists are more prone to having their
own biased opinions and agenda's.

Your like a flea on a hot plate the way you move around....

I am not against creationist scientists per se, but I question many of the scientific conclusions they reach.

The reason why I asked goes back to my primary question on that post. Do you believe those creationists scientists you post because of the soundness of their science, or because the conclusion they reach agrees with your theology.

Unless you can discuss their methods and assumptions SCIENTIFICALLY, then you should not proport to use their information.
 
The Tuatha'an said:
mhess13 said:
:roll: I've seen this before. The old "you don't know what evolution is" routine :roll:


I'm not claiming she doesn't know what evolution is mhess. I'm asking her to define it. Simple as that. If she says she cannot define it, then she doesn't know what evolution is.

Why don't you define what evolution is, mhess???
OK, ok, I'll define evolution.

Evolution is............................drum roll please........................
*U****** :o
 
mhess13 said:
Now let me butt back out, don't want to hijack your thread


You didn't define it, mhess. You and blue have absolutely no idea what you're arguing against.
 
mhess13 said:
Yes I did. It is B---....


That's not a definition, mhess. That's your criticism of what evolutionary theory says. What does evolutionary theory say, mhess?? How come you're so unwilling to define it?? And why are you swearing? I thought your Lord Jesus Christ the Saviour man was against swearing.
 
The Tuatha'an said:
mhess13 said:
Yes I did. It is B---....


That's not a definition, mhess. That's your criticism of what evolutionary theory says. What does evolutionary theory say, mhess?? How come you're so unwilling to define it?? And why are you swearing? I thought your Lord Jesus Christ the Saviour man was against swearing.
He is, it's a battle against the flesh every day. I haven't defined it becuase we all know what it means. I'm not playing along w/ your typical "you don't know what evolution is" routine. It's also kind of fun watching you get so torqued off over it. :biggrin
 
I pulled this off of talkorigins for ya:

One of the most respected evolutionary biologists has defined biological evolution as follows:

"In the broadest sense, evolution is merely change, and so is all-pervasive; galaxies, languages, and political systems all evolve. Biological evolution ... is change in the properties of populations of organisms that transcend the lifetime of a single individual. The ontogeny of an individual is not considered evolution; individual organisms do not evolve. The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary are those that are inheritable via the genetic material from one generation to the next. Biological evolution may be slight or substantial; it embraces everything from slight changes in the proportion of different alleles within a population (such as those determining blood types) to the successive alterations that led from the earliest protoorganism to snails, bees, giraffes, and dandelions."
- Douglas J. Futuyma in Evolutionary Biology, Sinauer Associates 1986

It is important to note that biological evolution refers to populations and not to individuals and that the changes must be passed on to the next generation. In practice this means that,

Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations.
This is a good working scientific definition of evolution; one that can be used to distinguish between evolution and similar changes that are not evolution. Another common short definition of evolution can be found in many textbooks:


"In fact, evolution can be precisely defined as any change in the frequency of alleles within a gene pool from one generation to the next."
- Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology, 5th ed. 1989 Worth Publishers, p.974


NOW, to take this and imply that humans have an apelike ancestor is as I said before :o ******** :o
:o :o
 
I'm butting out now, I really don't have the interest. I just wanted to pop in and encourage blue. She's my favorite person on this forum and i don't see how she has the patience, desire, or motivation to argue with you guys everyday

SIC 'EM BLUE!
 
mhess13 said:
NOW, to take this and imply that humans have an apelike ancestor is as I said before :o ******** :o
:o :o


I didn't ask you for a link to talkorigins. I asked YOU to define it. You did not, blue did not.
 
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