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God created us in His image


Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him


And then man decided to follow other desires


Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


and died.


Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


And as “dead” people we enter this world . .. living our own life . . that of death.

And we have our father


Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

And here we see the heart of the sinner . . .born into it . . .and having the devil as father.

And then Life appeared again.

Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


But man can be made alive again


Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.


But we need to be born again.


Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


This birth is from God


1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.



As true Life is that of God and without it we are living in the life of the human being . . . .death and sin

And now being born again we died to the human life and become alive in Christ having His Life, True Life inside of us to live by.



Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


The way Paul lived


Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.


And thus we became born again . . .


Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.


And sin became something of the past.


1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


As the child is like the Father . . born from the Father and the same Life in Him by which he lives


Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Joh 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Joh 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.



And now the very Life of God become the very Life of the human being . . .allowing him now to experience and live the Life of God . . .a true child of God with the fullness of the Life of God inside of Him by which he Lives now.

As a father always . . .through birth and His seed . . . .gives his very own life to his children .. . nothing more nothing less. And the father/Father can only enjoy his/His son/daughter if he/she has the same life. No Father is so selfish as too keep the glory of his own life from his children.


As this is what God is giving us in Fatherhood . . .it is the best that heaven can offer . . .if we can but . . .accept this Grace of Him.


As we do not start as a true son/daughter of God . . .we can also not reach His fullness.


Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


And if we start off as a true child . . .it is so easy . . ..


it is just . . .looking.


2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


And knowing it is true . . .because all around us . .in creation there never was a newly born that did not reach exactly the same life as the father . . .just by . . .looking . . .


Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.


Where we will sit . . .because we got revelation on being born again.


Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


A lion cub is destined to rule the jungle .. . from the day of its birth . . .and so are we . . .because there is the image of the Lion of Judah

Which he looks upon!


Hos 5:14 For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.

Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.


Weep not . . .the cub has grown up and its time is at hand.


Love Johan
 
John 3:7 has a poor translation within it.

This whole notion of being "born again" is really wrong. It's not mentioned or hinted at in the whole of scripture except in this one poorly translated section.

"Genethe Anothen" is the Greek/Early Latin translation for "Born from above" which is a Jewish concept about key individuals that God gave to his people.

It's a reference to key individuals like Moses, Samuel, John the Baptist, and Sampson to name a few.

Yes, I know that dictionaries have it translated as saying that it can mean "again" instead of "above" but that's due to the mass marketing campaign about being born again.

Once the proper Hermeneutics are applied to this passage most of the sermons on Nicodemus' social visit to Jesus. (Who wouldn't want that?) Is a vastly different story than often retold.

Nicodemus feared God. When he left Jesus he was frozen in emotional quicksand... Because he really believed. He did nothing except for helping Joseph of Arimathea...

Having God's full attention is not a comfortable place to be. Especially by the wise.
 
Hi brother

Good to hear from you . . .and your opinion. As it ultimately boils down to revelation.

1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

So . . .in the meantime we enjoy relationship . . discussions . . .being . . family.

And I like the idea of "having God's full attention" . . .as being a child of God . . .born again or "born from above" is what should be . . as He loves everyone . . .and His children in another way . . .as His children . . .as we can also love everything . . .dogs, cats . . .but . . .our children is such a different story . . .born from us . . .the same as us .. .and now . . .we . . .born of God . . .the same as . . .just children . . .looking at our Father . . .knowing . . .this is now who we are . . .the same!

And you . . .my brother . . the same . . .of God.

Love . . .Johan
 
John 3:7 has a poor translation within it.

This whole notion of being "born again" is really wrong. It's not mentioned or hinted at in the whole of scripture except in this one poorly translated section.

"Genethe Anothen" is the Greek/Early Latin translation for "Born from above" which is a Jewish concept about key individuals that God gave to his people.

It's a reference to key individuals like Moses, Samuel, John the Baptist, and Sampson to name a few.

Yes, I know that dictionaries have it translated as saying that it can mean "again" instead of "above" but that's due to the mass marketing campaign about being born again.

Once the proper Hermeneutics are applied to this passage most of the sermons on Nicodemus' social visit to Jesus. (Who wouldn't want that?) Is a vastly different story than often retold.

Nicodemus feared God. When he left Jesus he was frozen in emotional quicksand... Because he really believed. He did nothing except for helping Joseph of Arimathea...

Having God's full attention is not a comfortable place to be. Especially by the wise.
Interesting. I never looked at it like that, but it makes a lot of sense why people believe what they do.
 
Interesting. I never looked at it like that, but it makes a lot of sense why people believe what they do.
Oh yeah...It's understandable but just not accurate.
The conversation was recorded by John because of its huge importance of what being a believer really means.

When we are "born from above" we have tasks assigned to us. We may not feel "born from above" but that's just a feeling which is often wrong.
Nicodemus was a good man. His role wasn't all that significant in the grand scheme of things. He posted one vote and assisted Joseph with Jesus' burial.
But Jesus said that he was "born from above"...A huge thing.
 
John 3:7 has a poor translation within it.

This whole notion of being "born again" is really wrong. It's not mentioned or hinted at in the whole of scripture except in this one poorly translated section.

"Genethe Anothen" is the Greek/Early Latin translation for "Born from above" which is a Jewish concept about key individuals that God gave to his people.

It's a reference to key individuals like Moses, Samuel, John the Baptist, and Sampson to name a few.

Yes, I know that dictionaries have it translated as saying that it can mean "again" instead of "above" but that's due to the mass marketing campaign about being born again.

Once the proper Hermeneutics are applied to this passage most of the sermons on Nicodemus' social visit to Jesus. (Who wouldn't want that?) Is a vastly different story than often retold.

Nicodemus feared God. When he left Jesus he was frozen in emotional quicksand... Because he really believed. He did nothing except for helping Joseph of Arimathea...

Having God's full attention is not a comfortable place to be. Especially by the wise.
Nicodemus must have not had a good grasp of the local language and Hebrew customs either, since he responds:

John 3:4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

That sounds to me like a response to the suggestion that someone needs to be born "again" or a second time, rather than "from above". I think your "proper hermeneutics" will require a little more explanation.
 
Nicodemus must have not had a good grasp of the local language and Hebrew customs either, since he responds:

John 3:4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

That sounds to me like a response to the suggestion that someone needs to be born "again" or a second time, rather than "from above". I think your "proper hermeneutics" will require a little more explanation.
Nicodemus was claiming that he wasn't born from above as Jesus claimed and that he would need a complete life "do over" in order to become born from above.

Nicodemus was using hyperbole and exaggeration to make his claims.
 
This whole notion of being "born again" is really wrong. It's not mentioned or hinted at in the whole of scripture except in this one poorly translated section.
I do not agree. (I do agree that translation is iffy)

Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born anew, (γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν) he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3 RSV)
Being "born anew" (or "from above") carries the meaning of a second birth.

Of course, in the KJV, it actually does say "born again." (Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.)

The idea of entering into new life is a basic teaching of Paul.
Ro 6:3-4 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Paul describes baptism as participating in Jesus' death; being buried with Jesus into death; and raising from death to new life.
That is, essentially, dying, being buried, being born again into a new life.
The waters of baptism are both a tomb that receives our dead "old man of sin" and a womb which gives birth to the "new man in Christ."

So the notion of being born again is hardly wrong.
It's the metaphor that Jesus used.

iakov the fool
 
I do not agree. (I do agree that translation is iffy)

Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born anew, (γεννηθῇ ἄνωθεν) he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3 RSV)
Being "born anew" (or "from above") carries the meaning of a second birth.

Of course, in the KJV, it actually does say "born again." (Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.)

The idea of entering into new life is a basic teaching of Paul.
Ro 6:3-4 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.

Paul describes baptism as participating in Jesus' death; being buried with Jesus into death; and raising from death to new life.
That is, essentially, dying, being buried, being born again into a new life.
The waters of baptism are both a tomb that receives our dead "old man of sin" and a womb which gives birth to the "new man in Christ."

So the notion of being born again is hardly wrong.
It's the metaphor that Jesus used.

iakov the fool
Repentance does mean literally to turn around...

But this would completely discount the volumes of Sifre and Midrash that discuss the topic "Born from Above" and those who were and how these patriarchs qualified for the position.

I know that extra biblical writings tend to be heavily discounted as far as being worthwhile...But knowledge of them does help in understanding this section of scripture.
Just like knowledge of these writings and commentaries assists in deciphering the book of Hebrews.

So we disagree...It's not a major issue.


But I believe that it's better to err on the side of caution. Which side of this minor point would that actually be?
 
John 3:7 has a poor translation within it.

This whole notion of being "born again" is really wrong. It's not mentioned or hinted at in the
whole of scripture except in this one poorly translated section.

"Genethe Anothen" is the Greek/Early Latin translation for "Born from above" which is a Jewish
concept about key individuals that God gave to his people.

It's a reference to key individuals like Moses, Samuel, John the Baptist, and Sampson to name
a few.

Yes, I know that dictionaries have it translated as saying that it can mean "again" instead of
"above" but that's due to the mass marketing campaign about being born again.

Once the proper Hermeneutics are applied to this passage most of the sermons on Nicodemus'
social visit to Jesus. (Who wouldn't want that?) Is a vastly different story than often retold.

Nicodemus feared God. When he left Jesus he was frozen in emotional quicksand... Because
he really believed. He did nothing except for helping Joseph of Arimathea...

Having God's full attention is not a comfortable place to be. Especially by the wise.


That's interesting. Never heard that before.

Out of curiosity I checked all the English translations of John 3:7 just to see how many translations
carried the idea of "born from above" --- and it was a large number that did.



AMP
"Do not be surprised that I have told you, ‘You must be born again [reborn from above—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified]."

AMPC
"Marvel not [do not be surprised, astonished] at My telling you, You must all be born anew (from above)."

CJB
"Stop being amazed at my telling you that you must be born again from above!"

CEV
"Don’t be surprised when I say that you must be born from above."

EXB
"Don’t be ·surprised [amazed; astonished] when I tell you, ‘You [C plural, referring to the Jews or the Jewish leaders] must be born ·again [or from above; 3:3]."

GW
"Don’t be surprised when I tell you that all of you must be born from above."

ISV
"Don’t be astonished that I told you, ‘All of you must be born from above.’"

JUB
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again from above.

LEB
Do not be astonished that I said to you, ‘It is necessary for you to be born from above.’

MSG
“So don’t be so surprised when I tell you that you have to be ‘born from above’—out of this world, so to speak.

NOG
Don’t be surprised when I tell you that all of you must be born from above.

NABRE
Do not be amazed that I told you, ‘You must be born from above.

NET
Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must all be born from above.’

NRSV
Do not be astonished that I said to you, ‘You must be born from above.’

NRSVA
Do not be astonished that I said to you, “You must be born from above.”

NRSVACE
Do not be astonished that I said to you, “You must be born from above.”

NRSVCE
Do not be astonished that I said to you, ‘You must be born from above.’
NTE
Don’t be surprised that I said to you, You must be born from above.

TLV
Do not be surprised that I said to you, ‘You all must be born from above.’

YLT
`Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above;


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The English translations of John 3:7 from Bible Gateway:
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John 3:7
(Check this link to see the translations that translated
you "must be born again.")
 
But this would completely discount the volumes of Sifre and Midrash that discuss the topic "Born from Above" and those who were and how these patriarchs qualified for the position.
Perhaps you could share some of what those sources say.

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When we see the hart of the Father we will understand why He put this in scripture. In all of creation He showed us the "father" and the children and we see that the mouse is a mouse because of its "father" . . and the lion is king of the jungle because of its "father" . . .and we are humans because of our father . . .but where are God's children . .. and who are they . .. and how are they as kind give birth to the same kind.

Jer 3:19 But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations? and I said, Thou shalt call me, My father; and shalt not turn away from me.

And in His heart is the yearning for true children . . .born out of Him . . . . and you can call it what you want . . .but the important is His children . . . . .and we can only be that by . . .a newly born situation where two of the same come together . . to give birth to the same . . .God and wife come together . . .seed is exchanged . . and new life is born . . . .their child. . . .

The family . . .as all of creation has its family . . .and so does heaven.

Love Johan
 
When we see the hart of the Father we will understand why He put this in scripture. In all of creation He showed us the "father" and the children and we see that the mouse is a mouse because of its "father" . . and the lion is king of the jungle because of its "father" . . .and we are humans because of our father . . .but where are God's children . .. and who are they . .. and how are they as kind give birth to the same kind.

Jer 3:19 But I said, How shall I put thee among the children, and give thee a pleasant land, a goodly heritage of the hosts of nations? and I said, Thou shalt call me, My father; and shalt not turn away from me.

And in His heart is the yearning for true children . . .born out of Him . . . . and you can call it what you want . . .but the important is His children . . . . .and we can only be that by . . .a newly born situation where two of the same come together . . to give birth to the same . . .God and wife come together . . .seed is exchanged . . and new life is born . . . .their child. . . .

The family . . .as all of creation has its family . . .and so does heaven.

Love Johan
So, if I understand you correctly, you are saying that in order for there to be a mouse, two parent mice had to exist to procreate? How did the first parent mice come into being? Created by God they were. It is described here...

Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. Genesis 1:24-25 NKJV

Likewise He created mankind as described here....

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Genesis 1:26-28 NKJV

Furthermore we who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are joint heirs with Him...

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together. Romans 8:14-17 NKJV

And again...
For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:26-29 NKJV

And again...
But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:4-7 NKJV
 
:confused Please explain.

God can not be explained . . .and His Word can not be explained . . and what the Spirit brings through "man" also can not be explained. It needs revelation.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But I can give something else that may assist.

1Co 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

Where Paul sees himself as their father . . .because of what happened from out of him they were born

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, . .. and here he describes his "travail in birth" which we know rather to be part of the woman.

And God we know is the real Father or the Husband . . .as we cannot really be the husband but are the wife . .as we see also in
Rev.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

and elsewhere

Isa 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Son 1:2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.


Love Johan
 
I was asking you to explain what YOU meant.

IT IS NOT ABOUT ME AS IT IS HIM
Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
AND WHAT YOU ASK OF ME . . . I CANNOT DO . . .AS IT IS HIS WORK TO EXPLAIN AND NOT MINE

SO . . YOU HAVE TO WAIT PATIENTLY . . .FOR THE RIGHT MOMENT

Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Joh 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

HE WILL "BRING TO REMEMBRANCE" WHAT YOU HEARD NOW.
AS THAT IS ALSO THE PRECISE MOMENT BY WHICH THIS IS CREATED IN YOU . . NOT BEFORE THE TIME . . .BUT AT THAT TIME.

LOVE JOHAN
 
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Johan,

Are you saying that God and Paul(or his message?) are what come together to "exchange" seed?
 
IT IS NOT ABOUT ME AS IT IS HIM
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Right.
But, from what you posted, your meaning is undiscernable.
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iakov the fool
(beaucoup dien cai dau)


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