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Just wondering how many go to the movie?
And how many watch movies of TV?
Perhaps the question would be easier to compare if asked how many Christians here do not go to movies??

---John
 
Love movies.Can,t get enough of them.
I'm mostly a stay at home watcher(cheap).
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I'm waiting for a couple new ones...The Passion,The Gospel of John.
 
Love movies.Can,t get enough of them.
I'm mostly a stay at home watcher(cheap).
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I'm waiting for a couple new ones...The Passion,The Gospel of John.

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Do you think that it is the picture that helps for one to understand the bottom line subject? (like the old saying goes, that a picture is worth a 1000 words) Some of the movie picture titles posted here are spiritually scary!

If that is the case then 'pictures' like the other senses, would be perhaps the devils number one tool of deception. The other senses being touch, taste, HEARING. Of course a picture needs to be heard, huh? Dramantic & full of emotion, to be graded with a good?? What do you think?

---John
 
There is no real way for one to know if, say a movie like The Passion is even close to the truth unless one goes to see it and discerns for oneself. Therefore, I will go see it and let you know. :wink: As far as TV, well there is a lot of good and bad there. TV is only as good or bad as the programs you decide to watch.

Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
 
Vicjr said:
There is no real way for one to know if, say a movie like The Passion is even close to the truth unless one goes to see it and discerns for oneself. Therefore, I will go see it and let you know. :wink: As far as TV, well there is a lot of good and bad there. TV is only as good or bad as the programs you decide to watch.

Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

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Hay, you are a 'spiritually' sweet kid 'me' thinks! :wink:

But I think that Eve was cautioned to stay away from the midst of the garden where the forbidden tree was located?

Could she not have told herself that 'I AM CREATED (not good) BUT VERY GOOD'?! (Heb. 'meat' enriched and all!) And that I know that the serpent was a one time covering cherub over the ten commandment Covenant, and even over the MERCY SEAT! And I am on the 'meat' & not the 'milk'! I,,I,I,I.I just know that he can teach me some things?? And I will be careful, for he is no match for me!! :sad

Or was Christ or His angel's there in the midst of the garden watching over the forbiden area that Eve had entered?? Lovingly friend, it sounds very close to the Matt. 4:6's presumptious 'wanderings' of 'temptation' to me?

---John
 
Hay, you are a 'spiritually' sweet kid 'me' thinks!
Aah, thanks! I know what you are trying to say my friend. And I am not even hinting that you need to 'eat' more meat. :) I myself am careful what I watch on TV and what I go to see in the theater. I don't hear God telling me not to go see Mel's new movie. Even if it is written from a RC perspective. I know the truth about the final week of 'The Greatest Story Ever Told". hahaha - I just hope (and pray) that many people who do see the movie find theirselves curious enough to seek that truth also.
 
Back when the kids were small my wife & I dumped (figure of speech) the monster! ( :fadein: )

Now days we have one in use for news and very little else. we have not been inside a movie house since commiting our lives to Christ. (some 35+ yrs. ago.) Somehow we just could not see Christ supporting this dollar/wise, or even viewing them. And even the news are interrupted
continuely with 'satan's' worldy commercial junk! Kind of reminds me of 2 Perter 2:7's verse about Lot being 'Vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked'? Yet, one wonders what he was doing living inside the city with it in the first place? And what bearing all of this might have had on his wife who did not quite make her escape? And today we bring it right inside of our living room!

Christ's Word seems to state very clearly what we are to think on.. "are true"?
"are honest"? "are just"? "are PURE"?? "are LOVELY"?? "are of a good report"? "IF THERE BE ANY VIRTURE, ANY PRAISE,.."??? Then it closes with... 'think on these things.' Phil. 4.

We always here stated that the young need to be of a certain age before they are to see certain things, and some have ratings for that purpose.
Yet, do we agree with that?? Do not these things tempt, and start the process of sin for the adults also? (see James 1:15) And for Christians in particular??

Surely if 2 Cor. 3:18 finds US CHANGED INTO THE [SAME] IMAGE FROM GLORY TO GLORY 'WITH OPEN FACE [[BEHOLDING]]', then it seems that the opposit would also be true?

I guess that we are a mixed breed huh? (my wife & I) The 'old' time Pentecostal's would not go to movies! And then the Babtist used to teach.. 'One Must Be Born Again'!! Still do huh.? But try Matt. 23:3 :sad At least with these [past] teachings I agree :fadein: O' Yes, there are Seventh-day Sabbath believers from both denominations also!

Are there movies today that can be attested to, that pass the test of the above? Some seem to think so. A 'little sin' hurts no one, and a 'white lie'? That thinking is just plain legalism they say! Do we not believe in Easter bunnies and Santa?

And in 2 Cor. 6:14-18 it seems that there is a message for me at least :wink:!
"And what concord (agreement or harmony) hath the temple of God with Belial; or what part hath he that [BELIEVETH] with an infidel?" (one who is not a Christian or one who opposes Christianity)

And then we see..
"Wherefore [come out from among them, and be ye seperate, saieth the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing;] and I WILL RECEIVE YOU."
And if I do not do so???

Kind of has a Rev. 18:4 slant, huh? That of being 'partakers'!
Naw, the Lord knows that I am only looking to be intertained & looking for knowledge???????

---John
 
--More on beholding, movies & PARTAKERS even??--

--------------------------BEHOLDING???-------------------------

Movie reviews? What is wrong with 'seeing' things that just 'might' be (as in question) evil? I picked this up off another site, see if it has any bearing on this subject for you? Think of the the scripture from Rev. 18:4 & the Word of [PARTAKERS]? It is just part of a post by a Eugene Shubert.

---John
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Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
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This is instruction that my critics and detractors need; I understand it. But if they presume to be teachers, I will listen.

All you teachers of the Law, please reconcile Matthew 7:1-2 with the following judgments:


“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.†John 7:24.
“I have written you in my letter not to associate with immoral peopleâ€â€not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked man from among you.†1 Corinthians 5:9-13.

“But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of Godâ€â€having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.¢â‚¬Â 2 Timothy 3:1-5.
 
I don't like going to movie theaters.... bad seats and too many people. I do enjoy staying home and occasionally falling asleep during a good flick. :wink:
 
i can see where you're coming from and i agree that many Christians are perverted by these types of things, it's the old in and not of the world debate. we cannot simply ignore or boycott culture and yet we cannot be so submerged in it that we are tainted by it.. life is dirty tho if we are going to be effective we MUST get in the trenches. Christ went where the religious leaders wouldn't go and talked to the people they wouldn't talk to. He was not legalistic and wasn't afraid to get His hands dirty.
 
elisa5? said:
i can see where you're coming from and i agree that many Christians are perverted by these types of things, it's the old in and not of the world debate. we cannot simply ignore or boycott culture and yet we cannot be so submerged in it that we are tainted by it.. life is dirty tho if we are going to be effective we MUST get in the trenches. Christ went where the religious leaders wouldn't go and talked to the people they wouldn't talk to. He was not legalistic and wasn't afraid to get His dirty.

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Much more to this above than meets the 'common' eye! Man is to shun every appearance of evil. Christ was there only for ONE REASON, and that was not evil. And He NEVER wasted time or WORDS!

Even in todays setting, bible studies are best given two by two. Hopefully even by husband & wife. Even in counseling it makes for good spiritual maturity!

But, I am really out of it huh? :wink: Yet, we will see 'record' books in time that will tell of many 'Christians' that had OPENLY goofed. (minister & contacts)

I doubt that the 'dirt' that you talk about is the kind that it sounds as if you are suggesting? Remember that Christ was (IS) sinless, even down to the creating of 'pure grape wine' in the non/fermented sinful ending.

---John
 
i am absolutely not refering to sin, duh. what i mean is Jesus was around sin. and He went where other people wouldn't go, b/c He cared so much. obviously we can do that too w/out sinning.

Yeah Christ didn't waste time or words, but His first act of ministry was going to a party. back in the day weddings were week long parties and He took the time to go. He had fun, He had balance, many of us forget that we're supposed to enjoy God, enjoy life, and enjoy each other. do u see what i'm trying to say?

i'm not sure what you're saying with the bible studies thing..?
i do think that film making is a valid form of art and do think that Jesus would watch movies. but obviously it can't replace meeting with other people and praying or just meeting with God, those things are quite different.
 
By Beholding one becomes changed? Surely! Here is what transpires: :o

THE SEAL OF THE ROYAL LAW OF THE UNIVERSE IS THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD!

Law or Gospel, Everlasting Gospel, Everlasting Covenant?? Sure! See Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20

"Thy way, O God, [is in the Sanctuary]" Ps. 77:13
Call it what you will? Church, temple, tabernacle, synagogue, [it always] still means that the heavenly Throne Room is the True Sanctuary of God! And to know God, we must find Him in His Sanctuary. Never can earth's denominational teachings be in opposition to God's Way! James 2:8-12 & Eccl. 12:13-14!!

"To the Law and to the testimony: [if] they speak not according to this word, [it is because] there is [no light in them.]" Isa. 8:20
God wrote the Ten Commandment Covenant Himself & in Deut. 31 we see that Moses also wrote a law. Moses law is to be found..(pay apt attention) "And Moses wrote this law and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, [which bare the ark of the COVENANT OF THE LORD...And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law [in a book,]...That Moses commanded the Levites which bare the [Ark of the of the COVENANT OF THE LORD,] saying, Take this [book of the law, and put it in THE SIDE of the Ark].." Deut. 31:9 & 24-26 in part.
So we see what God has written takes us to the first part only! (of Isa. 8:20 'to the Law & to the Testimony')

Now for the Testimony part of Isa. 8:20 The Testimony of whom? Jn 1:1-3 tells us it is CHRIST THE WORD! 2Tim. 3:16 tells us that ALL Scripture is to be used, OK? All the WORD!
Christ told the 'd'evil that "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, [but by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.]" (try Matt. 4: 4.) This is the Word of God, It is the [Eternal Everlasting Gospel, Law & Gospel and Gospel and Law!! They are the same, UNITED, they cannot ever be separated!!]

Now we need to understand that this portion of Isa. 8:20 was the 'testimony' part trusted to Holy men of God, writing, as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
One part God wrote & the other testimony part called the WORD OF GOD, His trusted men to pen. But please do not miss the Word's WORD.."If they speak not according to this Word, [it is because] there is [no light in them.]"
Speaking Contrary to the [Law} makes one lightness & Christ/less! Remember now the first part of Isa. 8:20, that which God did not trust mankind to pen! He wrote it Himself twice! The first time in [rock & the second time] in the 'Fleshy tables of the Heart' Try 2Cor. 3:3 & Jn. 3:5-8 Both of these times it was the Godheads work & not man, and it takes [both law & testimony] to have the 'Everlasting Gospel' its impossible to have one without the other & be right with God!

"Bind up the testimony, seal the law among the disciple." Isa. 8:16
Inside the ten Commandments is the Memorial of the Godheads Creation of earth. Try Ps. 135:13.."Thy name, O Lord, endureth for ever; and thy [Memorial,] O Lord, throughout [ALL GENERATIONS.]" (Everlasting)

Seal, Sign, Signet, Mark (x?) are all used in the 'testimony' and many times need to be seen as interchangeable.
Seal or sign, Signet? Try Ester 3:12 for Easter's signing of King Ahasuerus important documents & letters. "..in the name of King Ahasuerus was it written, [and sealed with the kings ring.]" try Ester 8:7-8 and verse 10. Have you understood in Luke 15's Prodigal son getting a "..Bring forth the best rob and [put a ring on his hand].." ? v.22, (after his conversion as seen in v. 21) And yes, the Robe meant the Garment of Christ's Righteousness!

The Sabbath Commandment has the same features as the Seal or Ring Signet that this son wore. He could now
Stamp, seal or sign checks so to speak. Vested with full rights, accepted! In the Seal or Signet, (7TH Day Sabbath)
God has His Name, His address, and His Authority & His territory. (ownership, creator, money in the bank) A Seal, Sign, Signet or Mark is in His Sabbath part of the Law, regardless of which wording you choose to use.


"And he shall speak great words against the [Most High,] .....and [think to change [times and laws:] .." Dan. 8:25 (how about YOU dear reader??)
The evil one who was once a 'covering cherub' in heaven (check Eze.28:14-19) over the Ark in the Godheads Sanctuary has attempted to do this. This 'he', works through his earthly agents, the same power as is seen in Rev. 17:5 in CAPS, (with her Harlot Daughters) the antichrist of Catholicism, this is THEIR abomination! Remember that inside God's heavenly Ark are His 10 Commandment Covenant! This evil is the one who has attempted to 'Void' out the Universal Royal Law of the Godhead! Has he done a good job so far?? Once saved always saved-Sunday sacredness-Burning in hell [eternally] and on & on we go... for just a little while longer! Requires both a & a !

The final Test for Mankind will be the 666. Man who professes to Love Christ will once again be tested before he inters the land of Canaan. try Ex. 16 4-5 & 28 with v.35 They were tested for 40 years on keeping the Seventh Day Sabbath,
notice that they were tested on [ just this one], the [Memorial of creation] to see if they were OBEDIENT to ALL TEN!!
"..that I may [prove] them, whether they will [walk in my law, or no.]" v. 4 ibid. Do you remember 1Jn. 2;4? "He that sayeth, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, [is a liar,] and the [truth is not in him.]"

God gives the backup texts for this in Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15!! He asks you the question & then He answers you!! Yes, also in Rev. we see this Sabbath & Law Test Repeat!

The testimony from Isa. said.. [no light in them] & here the Word or Gospel of Christ say.. [is a liar] and the [truth is not in him.] I want NO PART OF THAT!

"The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; [he will magnify the law,] and make [it honorable." Isa. 42:21
Christ said to hate is murder, to lust after a person is adultery. Did he 'Void' the law or Magnify it? The Gospel teaches again, through Paul.."Do we make void the law through faith, [God Forbid] yea, [WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.]" Rom.3:31
How did Christ 'Establish' the law? "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but fulfill." Matt 5:17 To VOID out? Both Prophets & the Covenant? Christ came to live out perfectly His 10 commandment Covenant [and to magnify it.] Notice verse 18-19 .."For verily I say unto you,...Whosoever therefore shall break one of the least commandments, [and shall teach men so,] he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.." Do not believe for one second that any of these will be in heaven! Dan. 7:10 tells of the judgement being set & the [books] were opened. The only way that these will be there will be by being recorded in recorded books, Lost eternally! And will be declared the "least in the kingdom of heaven' Try Matt. 10:15 & 1Cor. 6:2-3 & Rev.20:12 and notice that these in Rev. are clearly stated [AS STANDING & Dead.] The only way for a dead person standing would be by books.

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth [is not in him.]" 1Jn. 2:4
Are we converted? Do we claim to be born again? There is a 'foolproof' way to know! And it has nothing to do with [the feeling good process]. You know? Feel good, go to church, don't feel good, stay home! Or, hay man, I got the spirit!
This is the only way to know if we are [Born Again]..."...The Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that [Obey Him]" Acts 5:32 Friends, Law & Everlasting Gospel cannot be Separated! They are [Both the Same] Gospel [Is Law & Law Is Gospel]!!

"If ye fulfil the [Royal Law]....For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and offend in one point, he [is guilty of all] .... For he that said, Do not commit adultery said also, Do not kill, Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law...[So speak ye, and so do,] as they that shall be [judged by the law of liberty.]"
Jms. 8-12 in part
What dear friend will you do with the Godhead's Seventh Day Sabbath the Memorial of creation? The very Seal of Gods Law!

"Do we make [void the law] through faith? [God forbid; yea, we establish the law.]" Rom. 3:31
Only two classes will come through the 666 Mark of the Beast test, the Saved will be faithful as the Gospel teaches.."yea we establish the law." And all the rest go the broad way to destruction. Sad, but true & that is done by their own [freedom] choice.

"For not the [hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.]" Rom. 2:13
Try Phil. 4:13 & 2Cor. 12:9-10. The [Only way] to be saved, was, and is, by the Master himself! A pledge, a contract by baptism, an agreement! By a Covenant relationship with Jesus, then, we will be Justified.....'But the doers of the law shall be justified'! [Conditional,] It is up to us, the provision has been made, but it is our free choice!!! Not as Cain did in bringing a fruit (Sunday worship for God's Seventh day Sabbath) sacrifice for obedience!!

"But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the [holiest of all] was not yet made manifest..." Heb. 9:7-8

And inside the Most Holy Place were the eternal Royal Law of the Godhead-the Ark and the Eternal Mercy Seat in the Sanctuary above. Notice the last two words of the verse below! "THE EVERLASTING COVENANT" It is as Everlasting as the Everlasting Gospel of Rev. 14:6 first part! Eternal!! This is the Eternal Everlasting Gospel! The Good News with the Eternal Law & Gospel!! Try Rev. 21:9-10 & Rev. 11:19

"Jesus Christ the [same yesterday, and today, and for ever." Heb.13:8 & verse 20 "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, [through the blood of the EVERLASTING COVENANT...]"

What IS the [simple requirement] for the saved one to make? Just the Master's Words of.. "[IF] YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS."! Again read Eccl. 12:13-14!!

Your friend in Christ for His quickly finished work, (1 Peter 4:17 & Luke 12:47-4
Retired/pastor N.B. Hammond (John the Baptist)

PS: Yes, some added emphasis & highlights by me.
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-A Voice Crying In The Wilderness Prepare ye The Way Of The Lord-
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Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9 for our provisions on earth, thank you Master!
 
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