Jim Parker
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Well, that sends us back to your original post.I wanted to hear what evidence existed for BOTH Arminianism and Calvinism being wrong
It's a good one and a challenging one.
I'll get it a go.
Later.
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Well, that sends us back to your original post.I wanted to hear what evidence existed for BOTH Arminianism and Calvinism being wrong
This thread was originally CREATED because people kept posting statements like yours in other discussions, but never really offering anything substantive to back up their bold positions. I wanted to hear what evidence existed for BOTH Arminianism and Calvinism being wrong, without crapping all over any other threads. So far, only one real taker who claims that neither properly addresses the issue of "Paul's thorn in the flesh, a messenger from Satan".
Everyone else has preferred to weigh in with either "one side is right" or just present unsupported claims that "both sides are wrong" without any real examples of how or why. If you think you can show where both Calvinism and Arminianism are wrong on any of the points presented in the OP (which is just a summary of what the two views actually believe), I would love to see it.
Yes! Those horrible theologian people who make it their life's work to study and expound the scriptures and upset all the dilettantes and dabblers who are much more capable than they because they "have the Holy Spirit" which, as everyone knows, no theologian could possible have.
And yes, I was being sarcastic.
It is an example of arrogance on the part of those who despise the work of those who dedicate their lives to the study of scripture along with the original languages and culture in which the scriptures arose. It is arrogant to assume that one is specially anointed with wisdom and understanding by the Holy Spirit and that others, who devote their lives to that same study, because they have Th.D. after their names, do not have any such anointing.
And from some ( not all ) of those same "Holy Spirit led," self-appointed, Bible experts comes some of the most absurd, babbling nonsense. It was just such a self decllared ignorant person who, claiming to be the sole possessor of the "Spirit of prophesy" founded the 7th Day Adventist church from which spun off the Watchtower Society Bible and tract society of Jehovah's Witnesses which was founded by another fraud who had absolutely no theological training.
One wonders how many of the "Spirit led" part-time, unschooled, theologian despising, Bible experts have run across the verse that says, "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." (Mat 7:1-2)
But, you are also correct in that some very highly educated, Th.D. theologians have also come out with utter garbage and have influenced, no, "contaminated" and "infected" large sections of the Church with their errors.
Just sayin': let's try to avoid painting with too broad a brush, eh?
Yeah. That's what I said: "But, you are also correct in that some very highly educated, Th.D. theologians have also come out with utter garbage and have influenced, no, "contaminated" and "infected" large sections of the Church with their errors." (#99)And from some we got, Eternal Conscious Torment, the Heavenly Destiny doctrine, the Immortal Soul doctrine, the Pre-Trib doctrine,
Dispensationalism, Just War theory, and so on.