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Growth Can a Christian have demonic strongholds and also be in bondage even though they are saved?
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His_nee (Jeff)
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yes, all Christians are tempted frequently (daily) and many still have areas that they haven't been set free from deceptions.
no (many Christians are worldly still)
seeking ABBA, God, Creator, in Yeshua Savior Messiah King by faith in His Name and with God's grace
allows God to continue to set a believer free if they weren't entirely set free to start with (and most are not, apparently)
no (many Christians are worldly still)
seeking ABBA, God, Creator, in Yeshua Savior Messiah King by faith in His Name and with God's grace
allows God to continue to set a believer free if they weren't entirely set free to start with (and most are not, apparently)
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His_nee (Jeff)
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references, partly ---- the whole book of Corinthians (I and II) I think describes carnal, worldly ekklesia, and how they are supposed to work to be set free by God's Revelations and Instructions through Paul et al....
as far as the enemies strongholds, I'll look and see if there's particular helpful ones (I can't think of at the moment)
oh, and Galatians of course ------ bewitched Christians they are called in some translations !
as far as the enemies strongholds, I'll look and see if there's particular helpful ones (I can't think of at the moment)
oh, and Galatians of course ------ bewitched Christians they are called in some translations !
iLOVE
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Are these strongholds, bondages, and yokes because of sin(s) for Christians?
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Yes. To the first question.
No. To the second question.
Believing on The Lord gives you the right to become... A son of God.
JLB
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His_nee (Jeff)
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no.(well, may be*; but not necessarily) remember the ones who Yeshua healed - and others said "for whose sins are they (blind/other).
and Yeshua said it is not for their sins nor for their parents sins; but that the GLORY of GOD may be shown.
*remember Corinthians --- believers were getting sick and dying because ..... (looking for reference.....brb) .....>>>
1 Corinthians 11:29-31
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His_nee (Jeff)
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however, believers may carry 'idols' out of the world (figurative of out of egypt) into their 'christian' walk,
and these can cause many problems.
also, pickup of idols later in their life also will often cause troubles (most places do not warn against idolatry, and even fewer teach how to identify it and how to deal with it in the body of Christ or the believer's life)
and these can cause many problems.
also, pickup of idols later in their life also will often cause troubles (most places do not warn against idolatry, and even fewer teach how to identify it and how to deal with it in the body of Christ or the believer's life)
clark thompson
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Being is a struggle with the things of this world and a struggle with our own flesh.
iLOVE
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Different types of Demonic Spirits and Strongholds and some of there manifestations:
http://aletheiaministry.com/evil spirits list.html
How do we as Christians understand our authority over these strongholds?
What is meant by binding and loosing?
http://aletheiaministry.com/evil spirits list.html
How do we as Christians understand our authority over these strongholds?
What is meant by binding and loosing?
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His_nee (Jeff)
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most "christian groups" don't even acknowledge demons or strongholds , and especially in the untied states. (it's not 'allowed' by the professional counselors, licensed professionals ---- if someone believes in the unseen they are called delusional and when possible put on drugs)
some do, but test everything, all the time, to avoid being deceived (most common predicament on earth!)
binding and loosing is simply exercising the authority God gives(a few) in Jesus' Name , doing what God says to do at the time.
as related to demons or strongholds, it may take(more) fasting and prayer and time and several people praying besides,
or just one believer with faith and a word from God at the time.
it is misused so many more times than properly , that it is rare to meet someone exercising or even simply living in the power of God as He says to.
some do, but test everything, all the time, to avoid being deceived (most common predicament on earth!)
binding and loosing is simply exercising the authority God gives(a few) in Jesus' Name , doing what God says to do at the time.
as related to demons or strongholds, it may take(more) fasting and prayer and time and several people praying besides,
or just one believer with faith and a word from God at the time.
it is misused so many more times than properly , that it is rare to meet someone exercising or even simply living in the power of God as He says to.
iLOVE
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Jesus said in Matthew 6:33 NKJV, "But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you." If this is missing in a Christian life the word "FIRST", YOU GET TO TAKE CARE OF YOU'!
Here are just a few promises from God what He will do for you against demonic strongholds, bondages, and yokes if you make Him FIRST;
"The LORD shall cause your enemies who rise up against you to be defeated before you; they will come out against you one way and will flee before you seven ways. Deuteronomy 28:7 NASB
Jesus replied, "Every plant not planted by my heavenly Father will be uprooted, Matthew 15:13 NLT
And you shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless your bread, and your water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of you. Exodus 23:25 NKJV
"The priority of the Kingdom" is imperative. Because if you miss what's first it doesn't matter what else you do. You've lost the foundation. "Seek Ye First" gives you light from God, so that you know which way to go, which way to turn, which way to move, which way to act, which way to think, which way to walk, which way to talk, which way to relate. You know what to do because the light is shining. You lose that perspective, no wonder you're running into things, tripping over things, falling over things, because that which is light is now dark and you can't see.
Here are just a few promises from God what He will do for you against demonic strongholds, bondages, and yokes if you make Him FIRST;
"The LORD shall cause your enemies who rise up against you to be defeated before you; they will come out against you one way and will flee before you seven ways. Deuteronomy 28:7 NASB
Jesus replied, "Every plant not planted by my heavenly Father will be uprooted, Matthew 15:13 NLT
And you shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless your bread, and your water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of you. Exodus 23:25 NKJV
"The priority of the Kingdom" is imperative. Because if you miss what's first it doesn't matter what else you do. You've lost the foundation. "Seek Ye First" gives you light from God, so that you know which way to go, which way to turn, which way to move, which way to act, which way to think, which way to walk, which way to talk, which way to relate. You know what to do because the light is shining. You lose that perspective, no wonder you're running into things, tripping over things, falling over things, because that which is light is now dark and you can't see.
iLOVE
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The Lord is my shepherd;
I shall not want.
He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters.
He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil;
For You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil;
My cup runs over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
All the days of my life;
And I will dwell[a] in the house of the Lord
Forever.
I shall not want.
He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters.
He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil;
For You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil;
My cup runs over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
All the days of my life;
And I will dwell[a] in the house of the Lord
Forever.
Christ_empowered
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I tend to believe that demonic strongholds can be an issue, particularly in the presence of serious ongoing sin. As for straight up possession and/or bondage...I dunno. Baby Christian, so I'm just going by what I've heard...repentance=occupied by The Spirit of The Lord, not unclean spirits.
iLOVE
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Repentance puts the power of the Cross (Blood of Jesus) at work in our lives.
Proverbs 3:1-6 NKJV says, " My son, do not forget my law, But let your heart keep my commands; 2 For length of days and long life And peace they will add to you. 3 Let not mercy and truth forsake you; Bind them around your neck, Write them on the tablet of your heart, 4 And so find favor and high esteem In the sight of God and man. 5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; 6 In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct[a] your paths.
So what are Gods commands? Gods commands are found in 1 John 3:23 :
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
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His_nee (Jeff)
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I checked out that link to a list of evil spirits. I think it is best not looked at (not helpful);
while Jesus clearly and cleanly gives power over and when needed identification of real evil spirits, i.e. no list needed.
while Jesus clearly and cleanly gives power over and when needed identification of real evil spirits, i.e. no list needed.
A Christian can be tempted by the devil but cannot be possessed. Bondage, strongholds and yokes are words that describe slavery, and scripture teaches us that we are no longer in bondage to slavery Romans 8:15. Being a Christian does set you free from worldliness, as in we are not of this world anymore because His blood sets us apart. But since we are still in the world we are still tempted. So we are set free inside the bigger picture of salvation, but in the smaller picture we will never be free of temptation as long as we are here in a fallen world. The choice is ultimately ours to walk away from evil. The more you walk away, the less you will feel that your sin is in control.
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His_nee (Jeff)
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I can't locate it right now, but it's well worth looking for if you have time ---- corrie ten boom, world wide known for her faith and love and testimony of Jesus Power in saving her from being put to death in the nazi camp, (after being tortured and imprisoned there for some time, and seeing her sister and family and neighbors die there)
was speaking with a congregation after the war, as she did in many places (63 countries I think) as God directed her through the years,
and she and the members of the congregation were nodding off, seemingly so tired, yet for no good reason.
she remained faithful in prayer, and shortly commanded the demons to leave at once, in Jesus' Name,
and everyone was immediately alert, awake, and paying attention to her message from God. corrie was also refreshed, awake and alert as would be expected. the tiredness over everyone had been caused by demonic oppression.
((edit added>> found this online - quik search (not real reliable source, but short blurb)
Corrie ten Boom ministered in Moscow during the Cold War. The congregation sat there like zombies and her words were like water off a duck’s back to them. This both irritated and concerned Corrie. She called out and commanded every fouls spirit to refrain from blocking the people’s ears. She didn’t cast demons out, she just commanded them quit interfering with the people’s minds. It worked. The people’s eyes lit up and they absorbed everything Corrie was saying.))
was speaking with a congregation after the war, as she did in many places (63 countries I think) as God directed her through the years,
and she and the members of the congregation were nodding off, seemingly so tired, yet for no good reason.
she remained faithful in prayer, and shortly commanded the demons to leave at once, in Jesus' Name,
and everyone was immediately alert, awake, and paying attention to her message from God. corrie was also refreshed, awake and alert as would be expected. the tiredness over everyone had been caused by demonic oppression.
((edit added>> found this online - quik search (not real reliable source, but short blurb)
Corrie ten Boom ministered in Moscow during the Cold War. The congregation sat there like zombies and her words were like water off a duck’s back to them. This both irritated and concerned Corrie. She called out and commanded every fouls spirit to refrain from blocking the people’s ears. She didn’t cast demons out, she just commanded them quit interfering with the people’s minds. It worked. The people’s eyes lit up and they absorbed everything Corrie was saying.))
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ironmonk
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I don't know, if you work that out please tell me what it is.
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agua.
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1. Can a Christian have demonic strongholds, be in bondage, and have yokes upon them even though they are saved?
Yes imo. satan attacked the disciples when they were willing to follow Jesus but they lacked the spiritual maturity to resist. "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak ". But it depends on your definition of strongholds/bondage/yokes imo because any repetitive sin/fear could indicate these.
2. Does being a Christian set you free from Worldliness?
No. We're constantly in a battle against our flesh which likes the things of the world usually. We have the capacity to resist but depending on our deep set conditioned behaviours some Christians struggle more than others.
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ironmonk
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I can see how that is true, well written.