Carrie Fisher, morality

[Christ_empowered]

Let me just start off by saying I'm not looking to condemn Carrie Fisher or anybody else. I once did drugs, years ago. Way too many of them. The Lord forgave me and now, 4 1/2 years into my Walk with The Lord, I find that...somehow...I'm healthy, smart, remarkably...whole. God is good. "Know Jesus, Know Change."

Carrie Fisher's autopsy report has been released. Why the general public is told details of an autopsy report, I have no idea. But, yeah...its flashing on my yahoo news thing on my desktop (weird).

Her daughter apparently released a statement calling her mother a victim of mental illness. Carrie Fisher was diagnosed with Bipolar of some sort, and she had been in treatment for years. I seem to recall reading that she even received shock treatments at fairly regular intervals for a while there.

Now that I've been thru Mental Health, Inc. (I'm now officially labeled "Bipolar I w/ psychotic features"), my own drug abuse (mostly prescriptions from slack psychiatrists), and I'm on the right side of The Cross...

I think drug abuse is a sin pattern. Mental Health, Inc. fed me pills by prescription and then made $$$ off my parents and insurance by putting me in a hospital for "treatment." I was also subjected to heavy, involuntary shock "treatments" and all sorts of other stuff. I'm just --1-- person, btw; there's plenty of horror stories out there.

I'm beginning to think that there isn't any such thing "Bipolar I" or even "Schizophrenia." People often have hard lives. Personal sin, plus...data out now shows a high rate of serious trauma in people labeled with "severe mental illness." Honestly, based on my own experiences and what I've observed, I'm beginning to think that Mental Health, Inc. mostly exists to serve society, the secular world. Its not about genuine "help," much less any sort of transformation. "Treatment" is most --definitely-- not about any sort of meaningful freedom. One sees this in how "experts" always, always, always stress "treatment compliance." Think about that for a minute: compliance. There's serious power issues in Mental Health, Inc., and the people/"patients" are basically labeled and then praised for "compliance" and often punished mercilessly for "non-compliance."

The truth? No "mental illness" shows up on a brain scan. The effects of long term "treatment" often do, but brain scans cannot be used for diagnosis. No blood tests, either. Go to 2 doctors, get 3 opinions and all kinds of "treatment options."

"Experts" often talk about the need for more and more $$$ for "substance abuse treatment." Right. A lot of times, "treatment" involves switching off the "drugs" and onto "medication." No more heroin. Here's your Suboxone. That kinda thing.

I do think people who abuse drugs need compassion and help, but compassion and real "help" are not to be found in Mental Health, Inc. I don't know what it is...these "experts" sell fake friendship and conversation (counseling, psychotherapy), but they generally do not care. At all. The psychiatrists? Please. If you have good insurance and/or resources, you "need treatment." If you don't, you're a pathetic junkie. Trust me on that one.

I'm mentioning this because I think a lot of the church has been subverted by Mental Health, Inc. Some churches even have NAMI meetings and 12-step groups in the church building. Its junk, its lies, it leads to bondage, and....most of the "experts" in Mental Health, Inc. do --not-- follow Christ, at all.

For me...Jesus was (and is) the answer. I haven't done any drugs in years. I'm minimizing my prescribed psych drug intake, with a goal to be drug-free and stay that way. Its not good "therapy" or anything like that...its "The Jesus Factor." Again, I'm just --1-- person. Mental Health, Inc. creates victims and lifelong consumers/"patients". Its what they do, its how the industry keeps growing and growing, using up more and more $$$ in the process.

Carrie Fisher was wealthy. She undoubtedly received "treatment" from some of the most well-regarded "experts" around. She's dead now, and people all over are using her as an example of how important "treatment" for mental health problems and substance abuse is. Really?

What if somebody had just tried to speak the truth in love and show Christ to her, planted seeds in her life? What about all the people in churches all over the place who are being sent off to "Christian" counselors and being encouraged to "take their meds" and being enrolled in "Biblical" 12-step programs?

I don't know if I really should have brought this up. I just think...Jesus really is the answer. We all need other people, especially our families and other Christians, in our lives. People need people. I don't think anyone needs a counselor, psychotherapist, or psychiatrist, or "substance abuse treatment" for years on end. And I'm disturbed by how churches have bought into this "disease model" of...life, really. Moody? "bipolar I". Popping pills? "substance abuse disorder". Call in the experts, stay in "treatment," here's some carefully selected verses to cheer you up along the way. Done.

Ugh. As I write this, my one set of neighbors yelled out about my "Schizophernia." My official label is Bipolar I, but...these aren't real diseases, remember? My community has labeled and stigmatized me into non-existence by pulling out the psychiatric label of complete and total dehumanization and invalidation: "Schizophrenia". Again, I'm just --1-- person. Psychiatry often comes to the aid of those in power in any society. Honestly, I think the drugs and other "treatments" aren't all that important, not really; the deal is, shrinks are given power to label and commit and control so they can "shut people up," basically.

Finished, for now. Thanks for reading.

 

[jasonc]

Let me just start off by saying I'm not looking to condemn Carrie Fisher or anybody else. I once did drugs, years ago. Way too many of them. The Lord forgave me and now, 4 1/2 years into my Walk with The Lord, I find that...somehow...I'm healthy, smart, remarkably...whole. God is good. "Know Jesus, Know Change."

Carrie Fisher's autopsy report has been released. Why the general public is told details of an autopsy report, I have no idea. But, yeah...its flashing on my yahoo news thing on my desktop (weird).

Her daughter apparently released a statement calling her mother a victim of mental illness. Carrie Fisher was diagnosed with Bipolar of some sort, and she had been in treatment for years. I seem to recall reading that she even received shock treatments at fairly regular intervals for a while there.

Now that I've been thru Mental Health, Inc. (I'm now officially labeled "Bipolar I w/ psychotic features"), my own drug abuse (mostly prescriptions from slack psychiatrists), and I'm on the right side of The Cross...

I think drug abuse is a sin pattern. Mental Health, Inc. fed me pills by prescription and then made $$$ off my parents and insurance by putting me in a hospital for "treatment." I was also subjected to heavy, involuntary shock "treatments" and all sorts of other stuff. I'm just --1-- person, btw; there's plenty of horror stories out there.

I'm beginning to think that there isn't any such thing "Bipolar I" or even "Schizophrenia." People often have hard lives. Personal sin, plus...data out now shows a high rate of serious trauma in people labeled with "severe mental illness." Honestly, based on my own experiences and what I've observed, I'm beginning to think that Mental Health, Inc. mostly exists to serve society, the secular world. Its not about genuine "help," much less any sort of transformation. "Treatment" is most --definitely-- not about any sort of meaningful freedom. One sees this in how "experts" always, always, always stress "treatment compliance." Think about that for a minute: compliance. There's serious power issues in Mental Health, Inc., and the people/"patients" are basically labeled and then praised for "compliance" and often punished mercilessly for "non-compliance."

The truth? No "mental illness" shows up on a brain scan. The effects of long term "treatment" often do, but brain scans cannot be used for diagnosis. No blood tests, either. Go to 2 doctors, get 3 opinions and all kinds of "treatment options."

"Experts" often talk about the need for more and more $$$ for "substance abuse treatment." Right. A lot of times, "treatment" involves switching off the "drugs" and onto "medication." No more heroin. Here's your Suboxone. That kinda thing.

I do think people who abuse drugs need compassion and help, but compassion and real "help" are not to be found in Mental Health, Inc. I don't know what it is...these "experts" sell fake friendship and conversation (counseling, psychotherapy), but they generally do not care. At all. The psychiatrists? Please. If you have good insurance and/or resources, you "need treatment." If you don't, you're a pathetic junkie. Trust me on that one.

I'm mentioning this because I think a lot of the church has been subverted by Mental Health, Inc. Some churches even have NAMI meetings and 12-step groups in the church building. Its junk, its lies, it leads to bondage, and....most of the "experts" in Mental Health, Inc. do --not-- follow Christ, at all.

For me...Jesus was (and is) the answer. I haven't done any drugs in years. I'm minimizing my prescribed psych drug intake, with a goal to be drug-free and stay that way. Its not good "therapy" or anything like that...its "The Jesus Factor." Again, I'm just --1-- person. Mental Health, Inc. creates victims and lifelong consumers/"patients". Its what they do, its how the industry keeps growing and growing, using up more and more $$$ in the process.

Carrie Fisher was wealthy. She undoubtedly received "treatment" from some of the most well-regarded "experts" around. She's dead now, and people all over are using her as an example of how important "treatment" for mental health problems and substance abuse is. Really?

What if somebody had just tried to speak the truth in love and show Christ to her, planted seeds in her life? What about all the people in churches all over the place who are being sent off to "Christian" counselors and being encouraged to "take their meds" and being enrolled in "Biblical" 12-step programs?

I don't know if I really should have brought this up. I just think...Jesus really is the answer. We all need other people, especially our families and other Christians, in our lives. People need people. I don't think anyone needs a counselor, psychotherapist, or psychiatrist, or "substance abuse treatment" for years on end. And I'm disturbed by how churches have bought into this "disease model" of...life, really. Moody? "bipolar I". Popping pills? "substance abuse disorder". Call in the experts, stay in "treatment," here's some carefully selected verses to cheer you up along the way. Done.

Ugh. As I write this, my one set of neighbors yelled out about my "Schizophernia." My official label is Bipolar I, but...these aren't real diseases, remember? My community has labeled and stigmatized me into non-existence by pulling out the psychiatric label of complete and total dehumanization and invalidation: "Schizophrenia". Again, I'm just --1-- person. Psychiatry often comes to the aid of those in power in any society. Honestly, I think the drugs and other "treatments" aren't all that important, not really; the deal is, shrinks are given power to label and commit and control so they can "shut people up," basically.

Finished, for now. Thanks for reading.

The brain is an organ,we cant see our personality either yet damage the right place and things change.much of ptsd of my era is probable from malaria pills.symptoms are identical

 

[Eugene]

Carrie Fisher was wealthy.

Really?
Carrie Fisher identified herself as a Jew.
http://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/star-wars-princess-carrie-fishers-religion
She reminds me of the one described in Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

What if somebody had just tried to speak the truth in love and show Christ to her, planted seeds in her life?

In this love you possess everything. Even all the law is satisfied according to Gal 5:14.
I would like to ask since I see you continuing to mention your treatment. Like Job, that perfect and upright man of Job 1:1, your name having been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (Rev 17:8), and anything brought against you was at the permission of our Father (Job 1:12), and that only for your good (Rom 8:28). You, not Carrie is the rich one here, but according to many on these forums, beware lest you fall into deception that since Jesus died and rose again for your justification (Rom 4:25), you must hold out faithful until the end to receive your reward of being saved. God says that it is Him at work in your life (Php 2:13), but according to some it is dependent upon your continued reserve of faith. I hope you make it.

 

[evenifigoalone]

While I'm not of the Calvinist persuasion, I can see the existence of mental illness being an argument for Total Depravity.

 

[Silmarien]

Mental illness runs in my family, so I would say that it's definitely more than just the result of life experiences. I don't have any of the serious conditions, but I do have a whole menagerie of anxiety disorders, which is plenty of fun in its own right. The root cause of my problems is almost certainly spiritual in nature, but I was never going to avoid OCD, so steering clear of religion for years probably means that at least I'll never have to deal with scrupulosity. When you've got the one mental illness that preys upon fears and principles and causes unwanted thoughts and obsessions, viewing it within the framework of sin can be very problematic. (Well, depending on how you view sin. There are reasons I have an axe to grind with a lot of Western theology.)

Mental illness is obviously nothing new, though. We have a better understanding of it than we used to, but I really do think that in some ways, we're even less equipped to deal with it than before. Psychology is a very materialistic field, so if you think that the only thing going on is chemical imbalances, tossing medication at people does seem like the obvious solution. I'm not sure there's anything inherently insidious there; I think the problem is simply the shallowness of the secular worldview. (I can certainly believe that power structures ultimately come into play as well, though. They almost always do.)