Cessationism- have tongues and prophecy ceased, or are they still active?

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  1. Sister Christian

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    How many scholars do you know personally?
     
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    No. I saw you ask her about her earlier statement concerning Peter's authenticity. Genesis doesn't appear to be on-line so I thought after I commented on her remarks concerning her observations about 2nd Peters authenticity that that I'd start a proper thread to get this going since you asked for that.
     
  4. gr8grace3

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    Did you notice that it was the mocker's that Peter was quoting? And not himself. Peter was not saying." I am telling you that all the Apostles are dead."

    2 Pet 3~~ 3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying,(the mockers) “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”
     
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    Someone kindly beat me to it. :) Oh, and no, they're not me. At least I hope not. Otherwise, I have to have a serious talk with my dad. :squint
     
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    Are you and Jim Parker the same person?
     
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    I really don't think anyone can state that God the Father obeys the writings of men and contains his will according to the parameters set forth in a man made canon.
    Though that seems to be what is argued here for the large part.
     
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    Well said. :)
     
  9. eddif

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    So the convent of the law had shadows of things to come.
    Colossians 2:16 KJV
    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

    The new covenant had better promises.

    How does a word study work with that statement?

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  10. whatgoeshere?

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    I hope to understand.
    The gift of prophecy and that of the office of a prophet are two different things. Are you agreed?

     
  11. godsquadgeek

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    Yes, Elijah was a prophet. Buy we can and do have occasional gifting where we prophesy.
     
  12. whatgoeshere?

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    "greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues" (I Corinthians 14:5)
     
  13. eddif

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    I Corinthians 14:5 KJV
    I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater ishe that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

    Need the last part of the verse.

    Tongues plus interpretation equals prophecy.

    As long as the meaning is transferred:
    Tongues plus interpretation
    Or
    Prophecy

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  14. eddif

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    Just the prophets basically prophesied in the old covenant.

    Sons and daughters prophesied on the day of Pentecost. In Christ there is neither male or female etc.

    Galatians 3:28 KJV
    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

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    Acts 1:15 KJV
    And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)

    The next few verses have the 11 electing a replacement for Judas.

    Then
    Acts 2:17 KJV
    And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

    So we must be back to the 120 if daughters are involved in tongues and interpretation (not drunk comments by Peter about Joel).

    But the dreams and visions are left to men (something I do not yet totally understand). I do notice female visions do get wild over history). Today stable visions seem more men oriented. I just usually read scripture ( very few visions and I usually have the few of them on the back burner).

    Speaking forth the mighty works of God do include daughters. And there is a difference in female calling ( that I can not put into words yet).

    What have just done? Limited my own discussion.

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  16. FreeGrace

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    What kind of things of prophecy are given that go beyond what we have in the completed canon?
     
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    What kind of things of prophecy are given that go beyond what we have in the completed canon?
     
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    II Peter 1:3 KJV
    According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

    All of the New Covenant is described in the New Testament. I would presume the explanation of spiritual gifts would be in that cannon.

    Prophecy as an example.
    I Corinthians 14:25 KJV
    And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

    You check context. Just remember an ox context relates to a preacher context.

    Redneck
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  19. gr8grace3

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    That is a key question.


    No prophecy goes beyond what he has revealed to us in His written word. So His written word is enough. And it reveals to us who is adding or subtracting.
     
  20. eddif

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    I am wearing out this passage
    I Corinthians 14:24 KJV
    But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
    25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

    The service can be planned as to hymns, sermon, testimony.
    Or
    Things can turn toward a visitors need.

    If you get on the right / correct unknown information in a persons life, it makes an impact.

    Telling King Saul his donkeys were found is an example.
    I Samuel 9:20 KJV
    And as for thine asses that were lost three days ago, set not thy mind on them; for they are found. And on whom is all the desire of Israel? Is itnot on thee, and on all thy father's house?

    I do not think this wea chit chat.

    eddif
     

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