farouk
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Kaileymarie:
I can't speak for the Christadelphians.
But John 1.14 is a great verse about the incarnation, the Word Who became flesh.
Blessings.
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Kaileymarie:
I can't speak for the Christadelphians.
But John 1.14 is a great verse about the incarnation, the Word Who became flesh.
Blessings.
Kaileymarie
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Thank you!!
Kaileymarie- I know bit about CD's,they are really into the bible from a young age,their founder John Thomas dug in to christianity, and come up that we are astray from the bible. Trinity is not in the bible but Nicean council in 326 AD ( I think ) pushed the idea by the early church and was accepted that this is what it is today.Prior to that there was no trinity officially discussed.Maybe behind closed doors. So CD's like JW believe that Jesus is just the son of God. Jesus does praise the Father, He is seated at the right hand of the Father. I personally believe that " God,Jesus and Holy Spirit is one" however it is a very intence debate if you ingage into it. CD's have made many prophesies regarding end of time"Christ's second coming" and failed miserably. They really do not like being called "christians" because they do not believe in the triune God. God bless.
Kaileymarie
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I see, thank you 
Mike
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We cannot let this thread get derailed by this subject, but your comment cannot stand alone. Anti-Trinitarians always throw this out there, and it's nonsense. The Triune Nature of God had been established and widely accepted prior to the councils meeting. It was expressed through the thread of scripture from Genesis to Revelation. The council at Nicea did nothing to "push" this idea, rather they collectively agreed upon a way to express this mystery of God.
Furthermore, Jesus was, is, and shall be forever more fully God. God is One manifested in three distinct persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
Lastly, they do consider themselves Christians, at least when they are in the midst of other Christians they do. Like the Mormons or JW's, they likely distance themselves within their own congregations, because they do see themselves as distinctly different. But they do refer to themselves as Christians.
Hi Mike,
I have had contact with CD's and when a member of my family died, one of them said that this dead person will not be resurected because they did not die in the CD truth. I was taken back by His comments, to them Christ was not God-they asked me, can God die ? my answer to them was that Jesus's humanly body has died but His Spirit did not-They did not accept that- They asked me why was Jesus praying in the garden before he was arrested, if He was God was he praying to Himself ? Again when He was getting baptised, the voice from heaven said " this is my son that I am well pleased". I am not a theologian, so I was not able to explain that, but you can see how cunning they are in their questions. I was told also if I don't convert there will be no salvation for me. They don't believe in the Satan, it is our own evil thinking that is satanic not literal satan, which some of that makes sense, as Christ called Peter,"get behind me you satan",but I questioned them about Christ in the wilderness fot 40 days with satan, "oh that possibly was a pharasie" which I did not buy. They are very strong in bible knowledge and will rattle verses like there is no tomorrow. Our soul does not go to heaven as we think but body and soul lies in the grave untill resurection and will be judged then. CD's say will you be judged twice ? I am a christian with some knowledge, but not all.You need to be very good in bible theologie to stand up to this people, the ones I know they don't like being called christian they are "brothers in Christ". And it is because we believe in triune God.They use Strong's concordance to back up their arguments. regards.
I have had contact with CD's and when a member of my family died, one of them said that this dead person will not be resurected because they did not die in the CD truth. I was taken back by His comments, to them Christ was not God-they asked me, can God die ? my answer to them was that Jesus's humanly body has died but His Spirit did not-They did not accept that- They asked me why was Jesus praying in the garden before he was arrested, if He was God was he praying to Himself ? Again when He was getting baptised, the voice from heaven said " this is my son that I am well pleased". I am not a theologian, so I was not able to explain that, but you can see how cunning they are in their questions. I was told also if I don't convert there will be no salvation for me. They don't believe in the Satan, it is our own evil thinking that is satanic not literal satan, which some of that makes sense, as Christ called Peter,"get behind me you satan",but I questioned them about Christ in the wilderness fot 40 days with satan, "oh that possibly was a pharasie" which I did not buy. They are very strong in bible knowledge and will rattle verses like there is no tomorrow. Our soul does not go to heaven as we think but body and soul lies in the grave untill resurection and will be judged then. CD's say will you be judged twice ? I am a christian with some knowledge, but not all.You need to be very good in bible theologie to stand up to this people, the ones I know they don't like being called christian they are "brothers in Christ". And it is because we believe in triune God.They use Strong's concordance to back up their arguments. regards.
I see, thank you
Just a few failed prophesies of Christadelphians:
John Thomas the founder of CD's said that -Jesus Christ will arise to His inheritance"Kingdom of God" 1866-68
Mr.Robert Roberts,who took over from J.Thomas said:Christ will reign on earth in 1910.
CP Wauchope,prominent S.A CD said: that armageddon will happen in 1934.
HP Mansfield,CD claimed: that the world lives in the very shadow of Christ second coming. 1968
HP Mansfield CD claimed again :Russian growt is a witness to the immenant return of Christ,1985.
Roger Stokes CD said: that massive coming of nations together against Israel will devestate the Jews, 1987
Woodville ecclesia in S.A claimed that Christ return was immenant,1999.
And now Andy Walton CD claims: that Russians invasion of Syria is immenant.
These people have many failed prophesies,they attack christians continously regarding theological interpretation. They are correct and everyone else is wrong. However these failed prophesies show how they make blunders as well and they are not so perfect as they think they are. Just google "what they said would happen" and "the physician who doctored the truth"
texascowgirl.com
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People worship man instead of God. They blindly believe their sinful preacher as though he is God. If one should post scriptures directly out of the bible a christian will be the first to ban them. They do not want to hear or have Gods word posted. Gods word is not allowed on a christian site.I think before a christian downs any other religion they need to look at their own evil religion. They down people around the clock. They do not allow the real word of God to be spoken. Who are they to shut up the kingdon of heaven against men? God said he put lying spiits in the mouths of prophets/preachers and he really did. This can be proven by all the different religions out there in the world. and thats why we are told to try the spirit but no christian will. They worship their lying preacher. To me their is nothing more sad than that.
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texascowgirl.com
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I went on a christian site and posted scriptures directly out of the bible showing Gods love for man and was banned . There is nothing more wicked and evil than to get banned for posting scriptures directly out of the bible.
texascowgirl.com
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On every christian site there is always a special area to down others religion and they think thats a Godly deed but I think its sad. Criticizing others is against God and christians do it non stop and love every minute of it. Thats evil all by itself.
Mike S
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I agree with you, and I started a thread on that issue but there seemed to be no interest.
Welcom to CF, BTW!
He That Dwells In Love Dwells In God, And God In Him."
http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=54806&p=857560#post857560
George Whitefield is known as the Calvinist preacher of early Methodism, often at theological odds with his friend John Wesley, the Arminian preacher of Methodism. But, Whitefield, despite theological differences with Wesley and others, was clear about one thing: all Christians who love God need to support and love all other Christians, regardless of theological differences. God dwells in all who love God.
Obadiah
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Seems the pot has spoken and the kettle has been called black. I take it you are one of these christadelphians they are talking about?
Well, while some here do that, the point of this forum is that different religions can be discussed so that Christians are aware of what other religions teach, how they're different from Christianity, and why some religions that say they're Christian are not.
These are very important things for Christians to know so that they do not remain ignorant when discussing their own beliefs with others. And, of course, simply discussing differences is not the same as criticizing.
While it is true that all of us get some things right and some things wrong, it's what what we get right and wrong that matters. The OP shows that Christadelphians get some very important things wrong.
TimothyW
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MysticalJourney
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I used to lead a Christian forum and there was one Christadelphian who kept coming in and posting that Jesus wasn't God and we were all not real Christians. He would never admit what he was. We had to hound him based on his beliefs, and he finally admitted he was a Christadelphian. In the end, he was warned repeatedly not to keep coming and posting the same thing, or he would be banned. The minute I banned him, he came back under another profile. Very dishonest! He finally stopped coming back, but then went into some other groups that were connected to mine. It was very frustrating arguing with him. He never responded to our posts, or the things we posted, just the same rhetoric. That was the main reason I banned him, because he never engaged in a discussion, but it was always about his beliefs, which I do not believe were Biblical, despite the pulling scriptures out of context. I had the feeling he was somewhat like a JW, in that he was just spouting the party line.This is nothing against the person in this forum, but I do not believe a Christadelphian is a Christian. Of course, God may judge me for that statement. Just some really bad memories dealing with this person for several years!
sourberry
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You see, this is what the collision of doctrines do, as I think. He has a doctrine according to which you are not christian, and you have a doctrine according to which he is not a christian. What do we do?
And this is what Paul tried to avoid when managing both Jews and Gentiles. And I think Paul succeeded by becoming a Jew for Jews, a weak for weak.
You plant into the heart, it is God that grows. You see?
With love
Christadelphians, difficult to manage: regular bible students, will rattle bible verses like there is no tomorrow, have a belief that they alone hold the truth, John Thomas refuted the trinity, because God did not claimed to be triune God they say, but JT had his version and this is from his book " phanerosis" ( there are not three Gods in the Godhead, nor are there three in manifestation, nevertheless the Father is God and Jesus is God, and we may add, so are all the brethren gods, and a multitude which no man can number. The Godhead is the homogenous fountain of the Deity. These other gods are many streams which form this fountain flow.) He also said about Jesus" because born of the spirit therefore God, equal in power and glory with the Father". CD's belief is that Jesus was on Gods mind from the beginning, but JC came to existence at birth from Mary and received Godly powers at his baptism. CD's view is that they have been called out by God from gentiles, when Jesus returns they will be taken to Mt. Sinai to be judged by JC, the worthy CD's will be made immortal and then they will rule with Jesus in God's earthly kingdom from Jerusalem for 1000 yrs. Further they say that unbaptised and mentally disturbed children will perish, because they do not know the truth. Yet Jesus said that you have to be innocent like child to be able to enter the kingdom of God. Christos also claim that they hold the key of knowledge to unlock hidden scripture in the bible. Most of the time they will quote Proverbs25:2- It is God's privilege to conceal things and the king's privilege to discover them. So the King's are CD's because they know it all. All theologians now and then are wrong and only Christos know the truth. One sorry bunch of religious fanatics.