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In the Old Testament Israel was commanded to stone a man picking up sticks on the sabbath, to force a rape victim to marry her rapist, to cut off the hand of a woman who comes to the aid of her husband by fighting dirty.

My point is, if I may venture to guess, what God expects first and foremost is for you to love your neighbor as yourself. This means empathy over judgement. What the Lord expects from you is prayer not force, peace not violence, unity not divisiveness...I could go on and on

It seems obvious that when looking at the behavior of the group as a whole, American Christians are opinionated, arrogant in some ways, inflexible, focused on pursuing personal pleasure, and politically charged.

Point-in-fact: Politically Charged

Why is it that the large consensus of American Christians approve of the decision to invade Iraq and still support it? When would Jesus ever advocate war? Why are American Christians so in favor of using violence?

For the record, I am an American Conservative.
 
Anthony: Why is it that the large consensus of American Christians approve of the decision to invade Iraq and still support it? When would Jesus ever advocate war? Why are American Christians so in favor of using violence?

The one thing you must realize is that MOST people that call themselves Christians are not.
1. They don't read their Bible.
2. They don't attend Church.
3. They don't pray.
4. They don't witness to the lost.
5. ETC ETC ETC

Most churches in this modern society (especially the US)do not preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Most people are victims of a false conversion. I'm not judging, this is what Jesus said:
Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Also remember this: Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

I do apologize if this offense anyone but it is the truth.
 
I think a person who posted before had a good answer. Kinda blunt but good.. He said something like So does this mean Amazing Grace isn't a Christian Song?

And I think the same message you might say in response to that question could be said to your topic.

This movie wasn't to witness to the lost. That is our job. This movie was to edify the body. It is meant to open our eyes to those that are abused and pushed away. It was also more directed towards teenagers in High school. Telling them to show Christ's love, without yes.. mentioning His name. But then again, Amazing Grace never mentions His name either...
 
mudjosh said:
Telling them to show Christ's love, without yes.. mentioning His name.
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What is this teaching us? To be "seeker friendly". Gods Holy WORD does not tell us to do this, it tells us to preach the gospel. Yes, it tells us to do it in love but it does not tell us to water down the gospel to appease man. Unfortunately this is a prime example of most churches today. ( Especially in the US ) I for one am not willing to do this.

Matthew 10:32-33 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
 
Did you happen to read my post at all besides that one bit?

Look here:

This movie wasn't to witness to the lost. That is our job. This movie was to edify the body.
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This is a Christian movie. It was to help show us the need of teenagers whom Churches sometimes don't reach out properly to.

It has nothing to do with being seeker-friendly!

Next you will post something to the effect that everything we do should be pointed towards reaching others for Christ. I once again ask you, does Amazing Grace do that? Yes people probably get saved while that song is playing but unless someone tells them what God they are singing about they would have no idea who's Grace this is!

It is YOUR job to the servants of the Most High. This movie was to educate you and others.

And please read the entirety of a post before you comment back.

Finally to answer the question in the first post of this topic, yes I do feel you have gone a bit overboard.

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and the verse usage you used:
Matthew 10:32-33
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven

Do you truly think this is relevant to the topic at hand? Did the movie deny Christ by not saying His name? I guess since they didn't mention Christ, Christ will look to the Father and just shrug saying, "Well, they didn't mention me so I'm not mentioning them either."

I mean seriously.
 
Twisted Hawk said:
Read this.

http://www.pluggedin.com/movies/intheaters/tosavealife.aspx

Talks about all the spirituality in the film.
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Thanks for your posts. I read similar reviews. I didn't get the impression this film was meant for the mission field anyway. I've seen films that were meant for proselytizing. I do not get the impression this film was written for purpose. If anything, it has the capacity to plant seeds.

Thanks for your posts too, Josh. :yes
 
why do we christian seem to think that we are too imedialety tell the lost about sin without even knowing them first all the time. they are no set in stone ways to reach the lost. along as the intent is to win them and guide them to cross.

tell somebody like lance iguana that he is in sin, he will say yeah and, but if you talk to him and reach him in love and learn and accept that he is who he is without compromising the standards set before you. You may win him. Does this mean we compromise , no. We can find things in common and wait for the H.S. to lead the opprtunity.
 
mudjosh said:
Did you happen to read my post at all besides that one bit?

Look here:

This movie wasn't to witness to the lost. That is our job. This movie was to edify the body.
Click to expand...

This is a Christian movie. It was to help show us the need of teenagers whom Churches sometimes don't reach out properly to.

It has nothing to do with being seeker-friendly!

Next you will post something to the effect that everything we do should be pointed towards reaching others for Christ. I once again ask you, does Amazing Grace do that? Yes people probably get saved while that song is playing but unless someone tells them what God they are singing about they would have no idea who's Grace this is!

It is YOUR job to the servants of the Most High. This movie was to educate you and others.

And please read the entirety of a post before you comment back.

Finally to answer the question in the first post of this topic, yes I do feel you have gone a bit overboard.

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and the verse usage you used:
Matthew 10:32-33
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven

Do you truly think this is relevant to the topic at hand? Did the movie deny Christ by not saying His name? I guess since they didn't mention Christ, Christ will look to the Father and just shrug saying, "Well, they didn't mention me so I'm not mentioning them either."

I mean seriously.
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I was commenting on something that someone else wrote. Not the original post.

mudjosh wrote: "Telling them to show Christ's love, without yes.. mentioning His name."

I stand by my statement and the chosen Scripture.
Matthew 10:32-33 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
 
But there is no one denying His name! That is what that verse says.

Just to reinforce my point:
"Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. (NIV)

"All those who stand before others and say they believe in me, I will say before my Father in heaven that they belong to me. But all who stand before others and say they do not believe in me, I will say before my Father in heaven that they do not belong to me. (NCV)

These are action words and phrases. This means if they stood up in the movie and said "I do not believe in Christ" This is where that verse would come into play.

On my forum we have a rule:

4. Do not twist Scripture around against its intended meaning.
Please post the whole thought and do not change the message of the scripture by skipping a key verse.
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Although this rule isn't from THIS forum, I feel the general population of this community would still understand this to be true.

What you are doing is twisting this verse to fit what you want it to say. This is not correct.

Sorry, but I feel strongly that we should read scripture at face value (unless meant to be read otherwise) and not to twist it. That is how cults are formed.
 
Is this a movie in the theatres? Or has it been released on DVD already? I'm interested in what you have to say and i want to check it out and see how i feel about it.
Personally i dont believe a movie has to say the name "Jesus" for it to be christian.
There are lots of shows (eg. Secret Life of the American Teenager) where there are "christian" people, and they say "Jesus" all the time, but they dont ACT christian at all.
So I would think that a movie that teaches christian values is more christian that one that mentions Jesus alot but doesnt promote him at all.
 
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