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Mods, why do we need more Christian only categorizes? M

May I present to you Exhibit A:



Here we have hate, mockery, ridicule, and disrespect.:nono2
Not true. I am simply pointing out the nonsense that gets trotted out all too often here.

This forum has an obsession with certain topics. Homosexuality, conspiracies, proving JW, Mormons, Catholics etc are not Christian.

Aren't there productive christian things to discuss instead of making every topic turn stone throwing slander fest.
 
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Not true. I am simply pointing out the nonsense that gets trotted out all too often here.

This forum has an obsession with certain topics. Homosexuality, conspiracies, proving JW, Mormons, Catholics etc are not Christian.

Aren't there productive christian things to discuss instead of making every topic turn stone throwing slander fest.
You could choose to say things differently, but you choose not too. You can't resist adding the personal jabs can you?
 
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As good idea as this sounds, it is obviously seeming like at the moment it is not the best option for this forum.

It is possible, and there are topics to debate on, because even though people may be a Christian they may interpret something differently etc.

I am not sure if you can see this but I am a member on Christian Teen Forums and they have a Christians Only Debate section, and it works swimmingly.
The Christian Debate Room

For this to work though, there would need to be maturity among the members, and also the Statement of Faith would need to be in effect.

As far as moderators, the moderators for the debate section can look over that Christian only debate section as well...I mean on CTF, Teens and young adults(about 16-19) watch over everything, it really is not that hard. (No offense, and not trying to be rude. Just stating that it is not hard too do.)

In Christ's Love,
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You could choose to say things differently, but you choose not too. You can't resist adding the personal jabs can you?
thelords you know you are my friend I realy like you and don't take me wrong but I am going to stick up for coffee lover here a bit

There is tenancy in any group of like minded passionate believers in anything to start to be insular and inward thinking to the exclusion of the rest of the world. when they get like that anyone who speaks up against stuff gets shot down fast.
I have watched a couple of those gay bashing threadsThey were on that christian chat.com site a few months ago not here and they are pure evil hatred some of it. I would want to hide it from the lord not to read & was shocked myself and went away from my computer depressed. I had never seen such a bad example of intolerance and hypocrisy anywhere i have seen . this site seems too nice for that to happen that's why i am here.

. what coffelover said I agree with. Anything you could do to stop that happening is worth it.

A thread like who did you evangelize to today, or can you pray for the guy I just witnessed to might be a better way to spend your time on the pc instread of criticizing other faiths and fighting with them over trivial differences. thats the drift I sorta got is that right coffelover?


It seems if there is a controvercial topic like oposing faith bashing thread people overlook the evangelism one and it dissapears.


though there is nothing wrong with trying to sort out confusion in doctrinal beliefs with out disturbance too.
 
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the lords you know you are my friend i realy like you and don't take me wrong but I am going to stick up for coffee lover here a bit

there is tenancy in any group of like minded passionate believers in anything to start to be insular and inward thinking to the exclusion of the rest of the world. when they get like that anyone who speaks up against stuff gets shot down fast.
I have watched a couple of those gay bashing threadsThey were on that christian chat.com site a few months ago not here and they are pure evil hatred some of it. I would want to hide it from the lord not to read & was shocked myself and went away from my computer depressed. I had never seen such a bad example of intolerance and hypocracy anywhere. including from atheists and pagans. this site seems too nice for that to happen that's why i am here.

. what coffelover said I agree with. Anything you could do to stop that happening is worth it.

A thread like who did you evangelize today, or can you pray for the guy I just witnessed to might be a better way to spend your time on the pc instread of criticizing other faiths and fighting with them over trivial differences. thats the drift I sorta got is that right coffelover?
You are right.
 
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the lords you know you are my friend i realy like you and don't take me wrong but I am going to stick up for coffee lover here a bit

there is tenancy in any group of like minded passionate believers in anything to start to be insular and inward thinking to the exclusion of the rest of the world. when they get like that anyone who speaks up against stuff gets shot down fast.
I have watched a couple of those gay bashing threadsThey were on that christian chat.com site a few months ago not here and they are pure evil hatred some of it. I would want to hide it from the lord not to read & was shocked myself and went away from my computer depressed. I had never seen such a bad example of intolerance and hypocracy anywhere. including from atheists and pagans. this site seems too nice for that to happen that's why i am here.

. what coffelover said I agree with. Anything you could do to stop that happening is worth it.

A thread like who did you evangelize today, or can you pray for the guy I just witnessed to might be a better way to spend your time on the pc instread of criticizing other faiths and fighting with them over trivial differences. thats the drift I sorta got is that right coffelover?
I understand what you're saying Chris, but this particular poster has a knack for insulting when he gets the chance.

THIS:

Who gets to decide what constitutes a Christian? Do Catholics count? Will there be a vote?

What exactly do Christians have to debate? I understand the urgent need to determine which sin is worse eating bacon or abortion, but why do only Christians get to have all the fun?

There should be a special strait White christian male forum so Gods most knowledgeable and favorite people will finally get the respect they deserve on this forum.
DIFFERS GREATLY FROM THIS:

Not true. I am simply pointing out the nonsense that gets trotted out all too often here.

This forum has an obsession with certain topics. Homosexuality, conspiracies, proving JW, Mormons, Catholics etc are not Christian.

Aren't there productive christian things to discuss instead of making every topic turn stone throwing slander fest.
 
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I understand what you're saying Chris, but this particular poster has a knack for insulting when he gets the chance.

THIS:



DIFFERS GREATLY FROM THIS:
I was simply pointing out what I see going on here. The growing dark tone of the forum. I insulted no person.
 
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I was simply pointing out what I see going on here. The growing dark tone of the forum. I insulted no person.
Who gets to decide what constitutes a Christian? Do Catholics count? Will there be a vote?

What exactly do Christians have to debate? I understand the urgent need to determine which sin is worse eating bacon or abortion, but why do only Christians get to have all the fun?

There should be a special strait White christian male forum so Gods most knowledgeable and favorite people will finally get the respect they deserve on this forum.
Right.
 
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I don't think the staff have come to a conclusion yet, but I"ll put my :twocents in.

The idea of a Christian only debate forum at first to me sounded like a good idea. Just like Christian Talk & Advice, but with debates allowed. Then as I thought about it more and discussed it with some of the other staff I"m starting to think that it probably won't work or won't be such a good idea in practice.

It seems the idea is to have the proposed forum like Apologetics & Theology, but exclusivly for Christians. There is so much argument, disagreement and disrespect in that forum already and now a proposal is put forth to add another one? Almost all my moderating duties in these types of forums has been between two or more believers. Note: not non-believers. It's the clash of different interpretations of the Bible and denominations and weird theology that gives this effect. From my observations, most of the people drawn to this type of forum are believers, with a few non-believers in there as well.
My point: I just don't see that an exclusive Christian debate forum will improve things, just due to the nature of 'debate'. The Christian Talk & Advice forum works becasue it is NOT a debate forum. BTW it is governed by the Statement of Faith.

A&T takes a lot of moderation weight, and we are light on active staff at the moment as it is. This new forum would greatly increase the workload of the staff. This is not our day job. We don't get paid for it.

Just putting forward my ideas.
 
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I don't think the staff have come to a conclusion yet, but I"ll put my :twocents in.

The idea of a Christian only debate forum at first to me sounded like a good idea. Just like Christian Talk & Advice, but with debates allowed. Then as I thought about it more and discussed it with some of the other staff I"m starting to think that it probably won't work or won't be such a good idea in practice.

It seems the idea is to have the proposed forum like Apologetics & Theology, but exclusivly for Christians. There is so much argument, disagreement and disrespect in that forum already and now a proposal is put forth to add another one? Almost all my moderating duties in these types of forums has been between two or more believers. Note: not non-believers. It's the clash of different interpretations of the Bible and denominations and weird theology that gives this effect. From my observations, most of the people drawn to this type of forum are believers, with a few non-believers in there as well.
My point: I just don't see that an exclusive Christian debate forum will improve things, just due to the nature of 'debate'. The Christian Talk & Advice forum works becasue it is NOT a debate forum. BTW it is governed by the Statement of Faith.

A&T takes a lot of moderation weight, and we are light on active staff at the moment as it is. This new forum would greatly increase the workload of the staff. This is not our day job. We don't get paid for it.

Just putting forward my ideas.
I have seen what mods have to do mate it is not an easy job and Christianity is not a very simple religion. but thanks for giving up your time to do it voluntary
 
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I was not insulting anyone. I'm sorry if your feelings got hurt.
My feelings aren't hurt. We're not in 5th grade.

I'm surprised that you aren't owning up to your bitter sarcasm! Usually you own it...

You don't think it's an insult to say things like "this forum needs a special place for white straight men who are God's favorite?" to our Christian men on this forum? There are some great, kind, respectful Christen men on this forum, none of who has issues with elitism, but who love the Lord.

All you did was simply prove why we need more "Christian Only" categorizes. So a Christian can come to a Christian forum in peace without your kind of mockery and bitter sarcasm.
 
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I don't think the staff have come to a conclusion yet, but I"ll put my :twocents in.

The idea of a Christian only debate forum at first to me sounded like a good idea. Just like Christian Talk & Advice, but with debates allowed. Then as I thought about it more and discussed it with some of the other staff I"m starting to think that it probably won't work or won't be such a good idea in practice.

It seems the idea is to have the proposed forum like Apologetics & Theology, but exclusivly for Christians. There is so much argument, disagreement and disrespect in that forum already and now a proposal is put forth to add another one? Almost all my moderating duties in these types of forums has been between two or more believers. Note: not non-believers. It's the clash of different interpretations of the Bible and denominations and weird theology that gives this effect. From my observations, most of the people drawn to this type of forum are believers, with a few non-believers in there as well.
My point: I just don't see that an exclusive Christian debate forum will improve things, just due to the nature of 'debate'. The Christian Talk & Advice forum works becasue it is NOT a debate forum. BTW it is governed by the Statement of Faith.

A&T takes a lot of moderation weight, and we are light on active staff at the moment as it is. This new forum would greatly increase the workload of the staff. This is not our day job. We don't get paid for it.

Just putting forward my ideas.
Thanks for chiming in Nick! and thanks Mods for all the work you do :clap
 
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My feelings aren't hurt. We're not in 5th grade.

I'm surprised that you aren't owning up to your bitter sarcasm! Usually you own it...

You don't think it's an insult to say things like "this forum needs a special place for white straight men who are God's favorite?" to our Christian men on this forum? There are some great, kind, respectful Christen men on this forum, none of who has issues with elitism, but who love the Lord.

All you did was simply prove why we need more "Christian Only" categorizes. So a Christian can come to a Christian forum in peace without your kind of mockery and bitter sarcasm.

Sometimes sarcasm is an effective tool in making a point, and I was using a bit of sarcasm, but the true point of the statement was to see if it was refuted. That is to say I was looking to see if anyone would say I am someone who wants a special forum and I'm not a strait white male. That didn't happen. So I am just concluding that the men who have been posting about this, and in favor of it are strait white men.

I agree there are good Christian men on this forum.
 
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Just so you know, the team is considering this, but it's unlikely to happen for a few reasons.

1. We've added a few forums in recent history. Adding more, means adding additional moderation responsibilities and a forum like this would require more work than others.
I really appreciate you're guys work, and I totally understand this point. So how about just making the Bible Study area Christian only and broadening it's scope to include general Christian only talk aswell?

Or maybe changing the least used existing sub-forum to be Christian only chat?

2. A debate forum among Christians? As if we don't have enough argument already within those in the faith? We have the 1-on-1 debate forum, and there's plenty of back & forth in the Apologetics Forum. The same thing happens in the General Forum.
I don't see argument I just see debate among Christians. The point is with Christians you can always come to a debate conclusion by referring to the truth of the bible. I know two Christians interpretations vary but at least we can present the interpretations for future readers and they can make up their minds which is correct. In most cases though a simple verse will end the debate. With non-christians though theres no end in sight coz you can't pin them down with scripture. You're just running around in circles.

I'm not speaking officially on behalf of the team, but I will say these are obstacles mentioned in our own discussion in response to this suggestion. I'm not saying it won't happen, but it's more likely not to.
It's just odd that a Chritian forum doesn't have at least one sub-forum where Christians can debate Chritians in peace. Think about the future when the site starts comming under attack from non-christians by the hundreds. It already is! Lolz.
 
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