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Christian Rock & Metal
- Thread starter Lewis
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Hi Brother Lewis,
My dear friend Gene Hawkins gave the following excerpt from his Ecclesiastes Study at our Youth Camp that I think addresses the problem invading the church today in so many genres. It reminds me of allowing the camel to get its head in the tent in a sandstorm, and I agree on this. For instance, how common is it to see the word “Friggin” used even among Christians today?
"The eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing." And that is fulfilled over and over and over again in our day. Some of us can look back to movies that we had back in the fifties, or the sixties and they're nothing like what you're finding today. Most of what has been expanded is the ungodliness of those movies, and in the end they put disclaimers and ratings on them because they knew that they were simply not fit for some people to watch.
The eye is not filled with seeing because you can't satisfy the flesh; I don't care what you do. It just waxes worse and worse, and it’s the same way with the music if that's what you want to call this noise that they now call music. It is ungodly, and for those of you who think that you're going to be satisfied with rock music, you are not. Rock music was designed to be addictive, and that's what Solomon is saying here; "The ear is not filled with hearing." you are never going to get filled up and satisfied with that music. You're always going to want something more. There is a void that only God can fill, and Solomon recognized that as he said the ear is simply not filled with hearing.
Northman
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Think of it like any and every other thing the enemy tries to warp.
Good morning Sister Angel. I personally do not think something sounding evil is anything other than evil. In seeing or listening to different groups I observe self glorification in their presentation to those that will seek their sound. The following youtube gives a sample of the top fifteen Heavy Metal Bands; what do you think?
Obadiah
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Legalists.
Obadiah
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Didn't say you were. But anyone who makes a blanket statement that all music of a certain genre such as Christian rock is all of the devil is a legalist. I don't think I remember you saying that.
Obadiah
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Ok, what does a demon sound like? When was the last time you heard one and which Christian metal band did it sound like?
See, I think this is really a matter of taste and preference than it is that it truly sounds like a demon. I know that's kind of a figure of speech, but really, those Christian artists making this music probably don't think it sounds demonic or intend it to sound demonic. They probably don't really like someone saying their products are demonic.
Obadiah
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No, but I was responding to your statement that Christian metal sounded demonic. If you are talking about sound, and saying it's a demonic sound, that has to mean it sounds like a demon. I was trying to make the point that you probably can't really mean that because you probably don't really know what a demon sounds like. I understand you don't like the sound of Christian metal, and that's fine. Many people don't. But I don't think you have justification to judge the entire genre of Christian metal as demonic, or sounding demonic based on that. Don't you think it would be more accurate to say it's not something you personally like instead of passing this judgement on all Christian metal artists and their music. Especially when you don't know what a demon actually sounds like. I'm just trying to put myself in the shoes of the Christian metal musician and think about how being told my music (which I have prayed over and truly feel is providing worship for a particular group of believers) is actually demonic. I don't think that's fair to them.
Are their Christian metal songs that have swear words in them? That's a serious question as I don't listen to enough of it to be able to say there isn't. I would be surprised if there were, but if there are could you please list a few of them here so I can hear that for myself? If you're only talking about secular metal, that's a totally different subject than what this thread is about.
Really? Once again, we are talking about Christian metal in this thread. Which of these songs (Christian metal) are "satanic". Please list them for me. I've been a Christian for a long time. If my heart was that weak I would have left Christianity a long time ago.
Angel
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I'm going to be honest with you. I HAVE heard demonic voices, in english and an unknown language. Know what they sound like when they speak english? Humans. What do they sound like in their unknown language? Humans...
I am not saying that christian metal is satanic in and of itself, I am saying it sounds evil, duplicating the exact sounds of evil metal, and should be avoided.
I am not saying that christian metal is satanic in and of itself, I am saying it sounds evil, duplicating the exact sounds of evil metal, and should be avoided.
Obadiah
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Ok, you say you've heard demons to know what they sound like, and I believe you. I've heard other testimonies of hearing demons as well that match what you just said.
So if I look at everything you've said here, you say Christian metal sounds demonic. Then you said demons sound like humans talking. So the only logical conclusion is that you are saying Christian metal is evil because it sounds demonic, which means it sounds like humans talking.
See why this doesn't make sense?
Isn't it better to just say it's not a style you like and leave it at that? I mean, I don't like the rap or hip hop genres, and there is certainly a lot of that in the secular realm that is evil, glorifies evil, and may very well be influenced by Satan himself. There is also Christian rap and Christian hip hop. Since I don't like those genres, I don't like Christian rap or hip hop either. But I certainly don't accuse those artists of putting out evil r demonic music just because I don't like it. I really think this is what a lot of people are doing when they say a particular kind of Christian music is satanic, demonic, of the devil, evil, etc. They are judging and condemning these Christian artists just because their music doesn't appeal to their own personal taste and preference.
Lets not forget, too, that this is the same kind of condemnation that Christians who were contemporaries of the composers of what are now our standard church hymns also said about them when they were first written!
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Angel
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You said:
"So if I look at everything you've said here, you say Christian metal sounds demonic. Then you said demons sound like humans talking. So the only logical conclusion is that you are saying Christian metal is evil because it sounds demonic, which means it sounds like humans talking."
No. If I thought human talking was demonic I'd classify all speech as demonic.
The reason I reject metal is because of this verse, KJV
1 Thessalonians 5:22
Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Metal, to my conviction, has the appearance of evil.
I do not condemn my brothers and sisters who listen to it. I don't know their hearts, so I can't judge. So, you are right, along with this Scripture its a matter of personal taste and personal conviction.
"So if I look at everything you've said here, you say Christian metal sounds demonic. Then you said demons sound like humans talking. So the only logical conclusion is that you are saying Christian metal is evil because it sounds demonic, which means it sounds like humans talking."
No. If I thought human talking was demonic I'd classify all speech as demonic.
The reason I reject metal is because of this verse, KJV
1 Thessalonians 5:22
Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Metal, to my conviction, has the appearance of evil.
I do not condemn my brothers and sisters who listen to it. I don't know their hearts, so I can't judge. So, you are right, along with this Scripture its a matter of personal taste and personal conviction.
Douglas Summers
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Christian Rock and Christian Metal are oxymoron's. When a man is saved, there is a change in his life. Adding a new name to an old wine skin does not make it new wine, nor does adding new wine to an old wine skin preserve the wine. But to preserve new wine, it must be put into a new wine skin.
Obadiah
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Exactly! I totally agree! If you have a personal conviction that (for whatever reason) it's not for you, even if it's just personal taste, then it's not for you. And like you said, no reason to condemn others who do not have the same personal conviction or taste.
By the way, I'm not a big fan of Christian metal either. Some of it is ok for me and some of it is a little out of my personal likes. But that's just my personal taste in music.
Obadiah
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Then by your logic everything has to be avoided because almost everything was being done before we were Christians. I simply can't agree with your application of this passage. Considering the biblical references to the use of music to praise God (in which the descriptions of it certainly sound pretty wild and joyful!) this scripture is not a condemnation of modern Christian music.
By the way, I find a valid argument in the concept that Christian metal or rock actually IS a "new wine skin" if you want to use that analogy. They took the previous version (secular metal) and re-did it into something new; Christian metal which now avoids the evil parts of the old version. Since none of this music has any evil concepts presented in it, to condemn this is to say that you know the hearts of the artists are evil and their intent in writing their songs is evil. I'm sure I don't need to cite the scripture telling you that you can't make this judgement.
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