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cheese

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Hello.

I know that this is a christain forum, but non-christians are allowed to join as well. In that case, how come we are stuck with those little messages underneath our nicks? i.e. the 'christain rookie', 'christian freind' etc... isnt that kinda misleading? wouldnt it be better if there was a way to change that so people who arent christians dont get that message come up? or is there a way to change it and i just didnt realise?
 
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Let me get this straight:

You join a Christian Forum them complain about our nomenclature? :-?
 
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Excuse me!!

Im not complaining about anything! Im just saying that it gets confusing that everyone is labelled as a christian when obvious not everyone is!

I know other forums that allow you to choose what religion you show up as. It just doesnt make sense that im labeled as a christian even though im not one.
 
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Sothenes

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cheese said:
Excuse me!!

Im not complaining about anything! Im just saying that it gets confusing that everyone is labelled as a christian when obvious not everyone is!
Even if there was a labeling system, who would you trust to label others? Based on what criteria would you label someone a Christian or not? Some people have a 'said' faith and other people lie so it can be quite confusing though I have high standards.

I don't pay attention to the labels. I watch what people say and do and I let my eyes and spirit do the identification because what other people would call "Christian" is not what I would call Christian. Many people are deceived or being deceived as to what a Christian is. Some people we thought were a Christian will not make it to heaven and people we never thought were Christian will suprise us in heaven. Anyone who wants to argue with me can just read Ezekiel 8.
 
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cheese

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Sothenes, i understand what you are saying, however i dont think its fair as it is not up to us to judge whether a person will go paradise or not, thats up to god.

And i dont understand what you mean by labeling other, i meant that a person would just say what their religion is, or atleast have the option of picking 'non-christian'
 
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cheese said:
Excuse me!!

Im not complaining about anything! Im just saying that it gets confusing that everyone is labelled as a christian when obvious not everyone is!

I know other forums that allow you to choose what religion you show up as. It just doesnt make sense that im labeled as a christian even though im not one.
Hey Cheese..........Go to another forum where you can be all that you can be without becoming a Christian or a friend of a Christian. That will solve your problem.
 
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cheese

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What on earth is going on?! Whats wrong with you people? all i did was make a innocent suggestion!! I thought the whole point of this section was so we can make suggestions??

im not christian, so why does that thing say im christian?? cant we change it?

Whats so bad about that?? if you guys wants to beleive im christin then fine go on living in your fantasy land!

Maybe i will go find a forum where members arent judged so harshly and told to get lost just becuase they make one simple suggestion that would have been obvious to anyone!

I didnt do anything to deserve such rudeness.

:crying:
 
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Solo

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cheese said:
What on earth is going on?! Whats wrong with you people? all i did was make a innocent suggestion!! I thought the whole point of this section was so we can make suggestions??

im not christian, so why does that thing say im christian?? cant we change it?

Whats so bad about that?? if you guys wants to beleive im christin then fine go on living in your fantasy land!

Maybe i will go find a forum where members arent judged so harshly and told to get lost just becuase they make one simple suggestion that would have been obvious to anyone!

I didnt do anything to deserve such rudeness.

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Perhaps you could look for 123 Muslim Forums if you want to display your religious preference. Your real intentions in being at this forum has been manifested by your comment, "if you guys wants to beleive im christin then fine go on living in your fantasy land!"
Goodbye. Come back when you have been born again.
 
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cheese

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Wow and people say Muslims are intolerant. You have just proven how completly lacking in understanding you are towards my point.

If theres in anyone out there who knows how to read english and understands why i started this thread and what my question is, please do reply. :)
 
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Solo

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cheese said:
Wow and people say Muslims are intolerant. You have just proven how completly lacking in understanding you are towards my point.

If theres in anyone out there who knows how to read english and understands why i started this thread and what my question is, please do reply. :)
If you would like to learn about the truths that Jesus Christ taught about being born of God, and not tied to a religion devised by satan, then stick around; but if you are on this forum just to teach Muslim garbage and to ridicule Christianity, then leave.
 
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ChristineES

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I don't see how the those labels do anything except tell others how much you have posted. I know good and well who the nonbelievers are just by their posts. :wink:
 
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cheese

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ChristineES, perhaps i misunderstood, is the 123 christian' meant to be read as one, and the word following as somerthing else? i.e. so its not like the tag is implying that the person is christian rather that they are 'rookies', friends etc to the site? :-?
 
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Hi cheese:

Please do not judge us all by the bluster of a few who would represent themselves as the sole spokesmen for the Christian faith. People who suggest that you leave are trying to bully you out by intimidation.

As Christine has said, people will know your status from the content of your posts, regardless of what the "tags" say. There is another side to this as hinted to in my first para. There are many in these forums who claim the Christian faith and yet who, in my view, are appalling representatives of it. These same people also get tags like "Christian Pro", etc. So it kind of cuts both ways.

I personally like the idea of the forum being visited and used by non-believers and I think a civil discussion of different religions can only help us all. In the end, though, we all have to respect the rules of the site, or, if we think they can be improved, make suggestions.

I do think that any Christian site that bans civil (and I repeat civil) debate between Christians and non-Christians is basically making the following implicit statement: "The content of our faith is so indefensible that it needs to be protected by censure". This speaks for itself.

Christians who don't want to debate with people from other faiths can simply choose to bypass such threads.
 
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Even if there was a labeling system, who would you trust to label others?
Good point Soth. Do we trust the member to actually choose what his/her Faith is? Listen, I could easily make up several "labels" and assign them to members as I see fit, but I can't modify the Boards to the point where a member can choose his/her own label. It's not my Forum. Sorry.

This is a Christian community and so far, no one else has expressed their concerns about labels. So, the community has spoken by not speaking.

I do think that any Christian site that bans civil (and I repeat civil) debate between Christians and non-Christians is basically making the following implicit statement: "The content of our faith is so indefensible that it needs to be protected by censure". This speaks for itself.

Christians who don't want to debate with people from other faiths can simply choose to bypass such threads.
Sorry Drew, this is where I disagree. It's not about anyone lacking in defense, it's the way in which some nonbelievers come here and totally disrespect our forum rules and Faith. Nothing here stays civil for long. Someone, Christian or whoever, will eventially "lose their cool".

We cannot allow unbelievers to run rampant throughout the entire site. We could designate selected Forums where they are welcome to debate in a civil fashion. Forums like Prayer requests, Bible Study, Christian Talk and Advice, etc. would be restricted; other Forums like General, Current Events, Politics, etc. would be open. Other than outright banning, this is the only solution I will entertain. Something's GOT to give though.

You know the ol' saying? "I don't swim on your toilet, so please don't pee in my pool." :-D
 
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Sorry Drew, this is where I disagree. It's not about anyone lacking in defense, it's the way in which some nonbelievers come here and totally disrespect our forum rules and Faith. Nothing here stays civil for long. Someone, Christian or whoever, will eventially "lose their cool".
Hi Vic:

I think it is manifestly clear that the evidence on this site shows that the "Christian" participants are no more civil than the others. In fact, I think a case can be made that the opposite is true.

In any event, shouldn't the issue be "civility" and not stated Christian affiliation? In my opinion, many Christians on this site see it as a possible way to bring the gospel to the rest of the world. So, in my humble opinion, we need to allow the civil expression of religious viewpoints that are not Christian - how can you "convince someone of the hope that is in you" without letting the other person question the content of your faith?

I think rules about uncivil behaviour are great and I support them.

I have posted the first 5 of the sites "10 commandments" as follows:

1 - This is a Christian site, therefore, any attempt to put down Christianity and the basic tenets of our Faith will be considered a hostile act. Statement of Faith Active promotion of sinful behavior will not be permitted. This includes promotion of homosexual behavior. Individual restrictions may apply on a Forum to Forum basis. Please check the announcements and stickeys at the top of each Forum.

2 - No pornography links or photos. No vulgar sexual remarks. No foul language or symbols to suggest such remarks. This is a Christian site, plus, there may be young ones on the board.

3 - No active promotion of other Faiths is allowed.

4 - Treat everyone on this board with respect. In other words, "Love your neighbor".

5 - Respect each other's opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities.

Rules 2, 4, and 5 seem to be helpful rules that address civil behaviour. Rules 1 and 3, on the other, do indeed constitute censure of even civil debate between, say, a Muslim and a Christian. How can one have a debate when, by rule, one side is not allowed to civilly advocate for their position?

While I do respect the hard work that people other than myself put into organizing and running this site, I do think it would be helpful to extract and express "behaviour rules" and not constrain the civil expression of any doctrinal position. As I have said, and I still stand by this, the censure of dissenting religous ideas sends a clear message that our beliefs cannot weather testing by fire. Is this a message that we want to send?

By the way, if I were convinced that non-Christians are more uncivil than the Christians, I would be more sympathetic to the position I see you as taking.

I want to add that I consider you to be a fine moderator / administrator and wish there were more like you to advocate for the faith.
 
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Thanks for your response(s) and support. First off, I want to get this out of the way:

This is public site that is privately owned & operated and is staffed & governed on a volunteer basis. If we decide to segregate the Forums or make the entire site Christian only, so be it. I welcome any idea or action that will alleviate some of the problems here.


By the way, if I were convinced that non-Christians are more uncivil than the Christians, I would be more sympathetic to the position I see you as taking.
In defense of my Christian brothers and sisters, it's not always them that start the uncivil behavior. Yet, we are labeled a hypocrite when we do "fight back". As Christians, we should try to refrain from such a reaction. That is exactly what it is though, a reaction... a kneejerk reaction brought on by something someone else said. We are human and bound to display an indignation that is not characteristic of a follower of Jesus.

If you haven't noticed, the bulk of the "rules" are aimed at proper conduct. This in no way, excludes the other rules and I plan on enforcing them. I cannot sit back and let them stomp all over us as they attempt to derail our Faith. Deep down, many nonbelievers would "love" to convert those not fully grounded in their Faith to "their side". Why are they here wasting time debating something they don't even believe exist. That's insane; the same argument over and over again, but expecting a different result.

I'm not just saying that. I had a so-called self-professed "devout athiest" say he wanted to come to my church to convert some people. Sure, he may have just been blowing smoke, but where there's smoke, there's fire. 8-)

Isn't this the MO of the Adversary?
 
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Exposing the Muslims one at a time....

LOL with vic... and smiles at his wisdom!

I like this new system. No need to sniff out the Muslims now!

:)
 
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I cannot sit back and let them stomp all over us as they attempt to derail our Faith.
There are clearly some on this site who claim the name of Jesus and engage in bullying, name-calling, distortion, etc. Some of them have been moderators! There are are atheists who do this too.

We can deny it till the cows come home, but suppressing civil debate with non-believers really amounts a message that the Christian message cannot stand in the presence of criticism. If people really believed otherwise, they would welcome the opportunity to engage the unbeliever in open discussion and debate, without legislating opposing views away. If we are so confident in the message, why suppress other views, especially when we can preach the gospel by such interactions?

Obviously, if the stakeholders in this forum want to restrict debate in general (e.g. because people really want to come here for fellowship and prayer requests, etc.) that is perfectly reasonable. And obviously the people who run the site can do whatever they want. However, as soon as people start discussing the content of "doctrine" and advocate for what they believe, then to not allow a totally open debate clearly sends the message that we lack the confidence of our convictions and need to be "protected" from competing ideas.

If the gospel is truth, we only harm ourselves by such an approach. A faith that can be shaken by the words of a non-believer is a faith that probably needs to worked on anyway. And if we really (I mean really) believe in the gospel, we will end the the stronger for such challenges.

I'm sure that we really do believe, however.
 
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cheese

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hey you changed my tag.. LOL am i the only person with a customised one now?? not exactly what i had in mind.. but oh well, cant complain i guess.

i hope i didnt offend anyone by starting this thread, i just really think some people missed my point completly.. :roll:

And Gary, i do think you might still be sniffing unless all other non-christians get the same tag as my own.

:)