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Nick I don't know how good the media coverage will ultimately be, I mean it will get dirty for some people, but at least the pastor exposed the individuals some what.

Nothing much we'll be able to say when Al and Jessy get down here will bull horns and signs.

I don't know...this is a hard one to decide on how best to handle it. Mississippi is predominantly black, but it has a dark history and that's not a pun. This has historically been the most outwardly racist state in the union, and here we see it again. 2012.
Well the media coverage won't be a walk in the park. It never is with things like these, but it may provoke action. I hope it does. :pray

I think you're right. The pastor needs t be a stronger leader, defending and nurturing the faith. He made a mistake here, IMO, by not standing up for the couple. If he can't defend the faith in small things, how can he expect the congregation to trust him on larger theolgical issues? What moral authority does he speak with now?

I'm the Lay Leader in a medium sized United Methodist Chirch in Connecticut. We have a congregation of about 300. The responsibilities of a Lay Leader in the UMC is probably not of much interest to anyone outside the church, but a prime responsibility is to provide the pastor with a close connection to issues of the congregation. We have an intinerant ministry in the UMC, meaning the pastor is not employed by the congregation, he's employed by the larger Annual Conference and is assigned annually by the Bishopto whatever congregation the Bishop feels will benefit most from his particular strengths. So, a congregation may have the same pastor assigned to their church for 20 years in a row, or they may get a new pastor every 2 or 3 years. There are advantages and disadvantages to that system, but one thing is certain, if a pastor is brand new to a congregation, he needs someone who knows the congregation, to support him.

Also, the congregation does not hire and fire pastors, so in the UMC there could have been no such threat to this pastor.

In the case I mentioned in my own church, we have a new pastor with just one year experience, and it's my responsibility to see opportunities for him to offer spiritual help, or to alert him to developing problems.
Exactly, and thanks for your background and that of the UMC. It's interesting to see how other churches and denominations work.
 
Pretty Messed up but we know everyone who attends church is for God they just do it out of their own goodness sake, or because they were raised to do so....not shocking to me at all! I am happy that they were able to get married somewhere else and its probably to their benefit maybe they can find a true church!! So good for them in the end! :clap
 
From CNN

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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/...irms-commitment-to-equal-treatment/?hpt=hp_t3

Church that barred black wedding affirms commitment to equal treatment

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN) –A Mississippi church that wouldn't allow a black couple to marry in its sanctuary because of the couple's race appears to be trying to right a wrong, as officials with the church's denomination decried the incident.
Charles and Te' Andrea Wilson, regular attendees at First Baptist Church in Crystal Springs, Mississippi, were forced to relocate their wedding this month at the last minute. Their pastor, Stan Weatherford, made the relocation request on behalf of some congregants who didn't want to see the couple married there, according to CNN affiliate WLBT.


Weatherford performed the ceremony at a nearby church.
At services on Sunday, the congregation's leadership addressed the controversy in a statement read to the church.
"Our many ministries here are open to everyone and have been for many years," the church deacons said in a statement read to the congregation, according to The Clarion Ledger. "We would never consider doing otherwise."


When contacted Monday evening, Weatherford said the church would have no comment on the situation.
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In an interview Monday, a local Baptist official said the church leadership was trying to address the controversy and to move past it with the statement from church deacons.


"The deacons made an affirmation that First Baptist Church would be available to minister to anybody in the church or the community. That went over real well," said Copiah County Baptist Association Director George Pat Bufkin, who attended the service. " They're now in the way of amends."
Bufkin portrayed the move to deny the black couple a chance to marry in the church as the work of a small minority whom he called "radicals" and who he said made mostly anonymous calls to their pastor to complain about the black couple's wedding. Bufkin said he did not know who exactly was behind the calls.
Bufkin, whose group is made up of 30 Baptist churches in the area, said First



Baptist is among the largest in the county. The 150-year-old church has around 800 members, he said, and is in the midst of a building campaign.
"Anytime the church grows you always have the devil there, trying to stir up problems," Bufkin said. "That's what occurred here and the deacons have already nipped that in the bud."
Weatherford, the First Baptist pastor, told CNN affiliate WLBT last week about why he agreed to move the wedding.


"I didn't want to have a controversy within the church, and I didn't want a controversy to affect the wedding of Charles and Te' Andrea," he said. "I wanted to make sure their wedding day was a special day."
Calls, e-mails and text messages to the pastor by CNN were not returned on Monday. No one answered the telephone at the church office.
Jonathan Thompson, the 27-year-old community relations director for the city of Crystal Springs, was at First Baptist's Sunday service, and said the incident "didn't represent all the people of the church."


"I wanted to come as a voice of racial reconciliation and spiritual reconciliation," said Thompson, who is African-American, explaining his decision to go to the church on Sunday.
Thompson said he was welcomed at the service. "I was allowed to give the closing prayer," he said. He said he prayed God would forgive all of them for their sins and that they would be able to find reconciliation.


Thompson has organized a unity rally for Monday night for area churches to come together to meet, sing and pray.
"I think this is an opportunity to really get intentional about reconciling," he said.
First Baptist's move to deny a wedding venue has been blasted by local and national officials with the Southern Baptist Convention, whose 16 million members make up the largest Protestant denomination in the United States.


"Mississippi Baptists both reject racial discrimination and at the same time respect the autonomy of our local churches to deal with difficulties and disagreements under the lordship of Jesus," said Dr. Jim Futral, the executive director the Mississippi Baptist Convention.
"While there may be hurts, wrongs and mistakes that must be addressed, the context for this to happen is in a historical church with a genuine caring pastor and thoughtful leaders who are seeking to do right," Futral's statement continued. "We, along with our entire body of faith, pray for them and stand ready to do anything that we can to help that church and that community."


A spokesman for the Southern Baptist executive committee told CNN the group would defer to local and state organizations for comment.
"We're not a top down organization," said Roger Oldham. "We're a bottom up organization. The congregation is the governing body."
Oldham said the local church needs to take corrective measures and he said they appear to be doing that in this case.


"The SBC has taken a strong position that racism is a sin and Christians should always oppose it," he said, referring to the Southern Baptist Convention. "We're also grieved when a small group attempts to set policy for the entire congregation."
Richard Land, head of the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, criticized First Baptist's action.


"There are valid as well as nonvalid reasons for not permitting a couple to get married with the blessing of that local congregation of believers," Land said. "The race or ethnicity of that couple is never a valid reason and any local body of believers who rejects a couple on those grounds should be reprimanded."
"Everyone should understand that in the SBC this decision resides with the local congregation for good or ill. If this couple was indeed rejected because of their race, as a Southern Baptist I’m embarrassed, frustrated, and I apologize to the couple on behalf of the Convention for the hurt and emotional pain they’ve experienced,” Land's statement continued.


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Charles Wilson, the groom at the center of the controversy, said on Sunday, "All we wanted to do in the eyes of God was to be man and wife in a church that we thought we felt loved. What was wrong with that?"
Te'Andrea Wilson said, "I had dreams of having my wedding the way I wanted it, and I also dreamed of having it at the church and unfortunately, it didn't happen."


Her husband said if there was a time to "step up and be Christ-like," it was before their wedding.
"If it was such a minority of people, why didn't the majority stand up and say, 'In God's house we don't do this'?" Charles Wilson asked.
On Sunday, some church members reacted to news of the wedding with surprise. Many hadn't known what happened to the Wilsons until they heard about it on the news, and offered apologies.
"I would say I'm sorry this happened and would you forgive the people who caused it? Because we're gonna try to," Bob Mack told CNN affiliate WLBT.

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Ah, Christian tolerance. Gotta love the doctrine that God made all people equal before Him, except of course for visible minorities and anyone else who might be different in any way.

I honestly don't understand how people can be part of a religion that pulls this garbage.
 
Ah, Christian tolerance. Gotta love the doctrine that God made all people equal before Him, except of course for visible minorities and anyone else who might be different in any way.

I honestly don't understand how people can be part of a religion that pulls this garbage.
i agree, the only apply that verse to specific people.
 
No one is in agreement with the ridiculous actions of that minister, DHR.

However, you cannot find fault with all Christians because of the foolish nonsense that was demonstrated by that minister. Not all Christians are bigots, just as all non-Christians are not bigots. And our Bibles do teach us our Lord's first and foremost commandment: Love. Love for your neighbour as yourself.

Obviously, that church in Mississippi had some members who hadn't learned & taken to heart our Lord's mandate to love each other. From the way the article read, there were many more members of that church who would not have had a problem whatsoever if the couple had their marriage ceremony at the church.

But again.... the whole of Christians cannot be smeared with the same brush as the bigots, for that would be so far from the truth.
 
Ah, Christian tolerance. Gotta love the doctrine that God made all people equal before Him, except of course for visible minorities and anyone else who might be different in any way.

I honestly don't understand how people can be part of a religion that pulls this garbage.

DHR:

...but you'd be offended if I tried to associate you with, or blame your for, arbitrarily selected, bad behavior of secularists.

It goes without saying that the behavior here was bad, and unrepresentative of Christians more widely.
 
DHR:

...but you'd be offended if I tried to associate you with, or blame your for, arbitrarily selected, bad behavior of secularists.

Not really, because I'm not a secularist. Even if I was, I'd like to think I would be calling people out on their stupidity rather than having the media do it for me.

It goes without saying that the behavior here was bad, and unrepresentative of Christians more widely.

But does it go without saying? It was accepted until the media got ahold of it and generated outrage.

More than anything, I feel so awful for that couple. They didn't want to be the poster kids for racism in the church; they just wanted to get married to the person they love.
 
DHR that stuff is an outrage before it even happens. Had Lewis not posted it here i would not have known. Yes i know that happens and should not i would not be part of that church. Should we run around yelling there is an out rage some place. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath.

My guess some rich racist jerk in that church pulled the strings and the pastor is a coward. Real persecution comes along he will fold even faster....
 
And The media made money! Of course the church made the media rich. Hahahaha

And who are you to stop the church 'doctrine'?

Funny thing is, this happened during President Obama's regime. Did this church vote for President Obama during his first....

(I would say the couple are like PBO):toofunny :lol :biggrin :toofunny :biglol :)
 
why are you at all suprised that this is still around? racism aint dead in america.its sad and im bothered by it but well i have met a man who was a pastor who was racist and called me racist for not voting for obama. yes he talked to me and never called me a cracker but i do wonder if he is racist. he talked about his church having members that hated whites. his church is on a street that has been known to be rather racicially divided agaisnt whites.

but not all the churches there are that way. i have assisted and evangelist there years ago on that same street.
 
Ah, Christian tolerance. Gotta love the doctrine that God made all people equal before Him, except of course for visible minorities and anyone else who might be different in any way.

I honestly don't understand how people can be part of a religion that pulls this garbage.
You can't lump Christianity and all those who call themselves Christians in the same basket as those that are clearly a fringe group of extremists. It's dishonest to characterise Christians in general by racist behaviour when those "Christians" who engage in this doctrine are clearly in the extreme minority.

Clearly it is this fringe group with the garbage that is trying to be a part of Christianity.

I thought better of you.
 
You can't lump Christianity and all those who call themselves Christians in the same basket as those that are clearly a fringe group of extremists. It's dishonest to characterise Christians in general by racist behaviour when those "Christians" who engage in this doctrine are clearly in the extreme minority.

Clearly it is this fringe group with the garbage that is trying to be a part of Christianity.

I thought better of you.

There are two sides to this incident in the Baptist Church: the few who don't want to accept the humanity of others, and the many who reject that attitude and call for us to "love our neighbors as ourselves." Both being played out within the church...and yet, many here can only see the first as being representative of Christians? Aren't they able to admit that the overwhelming rejection of racism is the more truly representative Christian side of this incident?
 
There are two sides to this incident in the Baptist Church: the few who don't want to accept the humanity of others, and the many who reject that attitude and call for us to "love our neighbors as ourselves." Both being played out within the church...and yet, many here can only see the first as being representative of Christians? Aren't they able to admit that the overwhelming rejection of racism is the more truly representative Christian side of this incident?
Indeed. I would have thought it rather obvious.
 
Indeed. I would have thought it rather obvious.

Except that the couple remains unmarried, due to this "extreme minority" that you describe. This leads me to believe that within the majority of those professing to be against the overt racists, there must exist a plurality of individuals who are silently complicit in it.

An extreme minority can't accomplish anything unless people are willing to follow them.
 
Except that the couple remains unmarried, due to this "extreme minority" that you describe. This leads me to believe that within the majority of those professing to be against the overt racists, there must exist a plurality of individuals who are silently complicit in it.

An extreme minority can't accomplish anything unless people are willing to follow them.

No, you're wrong. The pastor married the couple in a different facility, and will now deal with the problems in the congregation without further outside distractions.
 
I think the pastor is doing the right thing, to deal with this problem. But if I was pastor of that church and it was a black church and a white couple wanted to get married there. And some of the congregation went against it, I would talk to them first, and give them Scripture to show them where they are wrong, and if that did not work, I would tell them to take a hike, because I am going to do it anyway if you like it or not, now get out of my office. And I would tell them that I am not going to go against God for you.
 
I think the pastor is doing the right thing, to deal with this problem. But if I was pastor of that church and it was a black church and a white couple wanted to get married there. And some of the congregation went against it, I would talk to them first, and give them Scripture to show them where they are wrong, and if that did not work, I would tell them to take a hike, because I am going to do it anyway. And I would tell them that I am not going to go against God for you.

Would you also expose your church to the public?
 
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