Closet Christian Rock Bands?

[farouk]

"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand."~Romans 14:4 KJV

questdriven:

Good verse, with wide application, too. As is the chapter from which it is taken.

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I dont' have time to read every post, but:

Here is my two cents:

Sometimes I watch a TBN station called JCTV. They show music video's of Christian rock bands.

I remember seeing Christian hard metal guitarist who looked just like marilyn manson. Eyes rolled back up in his head so all you could see were the whites of his eyes, and black stuff/make up oozing out underneath his eyes... Honestly... THAT's Christian? In my opinion, no way! It's appearance is of the world- not of Christ.

Metal is NOT Christian, no matter how they may describe themselves.

Your argument can be summed up as, "one metal musician I saw had facepaint and looked 'worldly', therefore he is not a Christian and metal cannot be Christian."

May I ask you a question? How is Christianity defined? Does wearing make-up make one un-Christian? Is a Christian not a Christian anymore if he wears it? How is "looking worldly" defined? Technically, it could mean doing, listening to, watching, or wearing anything that's widely popular in the world. Is a Christian not a Christian anymore if s/he plays football, listens to death metal, goes to see a popular movie, or wears what's currently in style?

You can't point to one person and say that he's not a Christian because he does X, Y, or Z. That doesn't work unless something he believes actually goes against the definition of Christian--because Christianity is a belief system.
Say, if a person were to say "I'm a Christian, but I don't believe in god" or that he believed in several gods, or that he believed in god but not Jesus, then we can conclude that he is in fact NOT a Christian because being a Christian necessitates a monotheistic belief in God and Jesus' existence, sacrifice, and resurrection.

"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand."~Romans 14:4 KJV

My intended point with the verse I shared (above), is that it's not up to us to judge our brothers and sisters in Christ based on things that are not clearly defined in the Bible. And certainly not assume them to be non-Christians.
Is the Bible against black facepaint? Some might say yes and quote Scriptures to support this. But when you come down to it, unless it's clearly stated, it's debatable.

Which, I don't care for facepaint myself. I think it looks ugly.
And hey, some Christian artists, of all genres, may be doing their thing entirely for the wrong reasons. I think God can use them anyway, just because He's God and can do as He pleases. Personally, Christian music does a lot to encourage me, including hard rock and metal. If I'm questioning whether I should listen to it or not, I look at the message coming from the lyrics and go from there.


Anyways, not trying to bombard you or anything and sorry if I'm bugging you. God bless.

 

[farouk]

I dont' have time to read every post, but:

Here is my two cents:

Sometimes I watch a TBN station called JCTV. They show music video's of Christian rock bands.

I remember seeing Christian hard metal guitarist who looked just like marilyn manson. Eyes rolled back up in his head so all you could see were the whites of his eyes, and black stuff/make up oozing out underneath his eyes... Honestly... THAT's Christian? In my opinion, no way! It's appearance is of the world- not of Christ.

Metal is NOT Christian, no matter how they may describe themselves.

Your argument can be summed up as, "one metal musician I saw had facepaint and looked 'worldly', therefore he is not a Christian and metal cannot be Christian."

May I ask you a question? How is Christianity defined? Does wearing make-up make one un-Christian? Is a Christian not a Christian anymore if he wears it? How is "looking worldly" defined? Technically, it could mean doing, listening to, watching, or wearing anything that's widely popular in the world. Is a Christian not a Christian anymore if s/he plays football, listens to death metal, goes to see a popular movie, or wears what's currently in style?

You can't point to one person and say that he's not a Christian because he does X, Y, or Z. That doesn't work unless something he believes actually goes against the definition of Christian--because Christianity is a belief system.
Say, if a person were to say "I'm a Christian, but I don't believe in god" or that he believed in several gods, or that he believed in god but not Jesus, then we can conclude that he is in fact NOT a Christian because being a Christian necessitates a monotheistic belief in God and Jesus' existence, sacrifice, and resurrection.

"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand."~Romans 14:4 KJV

My intended point with the verse I shared (above), is that it's not up to us to judge our brothers and sisters in Christ based on things that are not clearly defined in the Bible. And certainly not assume them to be non-Christians.
Is the Bible against black facepaint? Some might say yes and quote Scriptures to support this. But when you come down to it, unless it's clearly stated, it's debatable.

Which, I don't care for facepaint myself. I think it looks ugly.
And hey, some Christian artists, of all genres, may be doing their thing entirely for the wrong reasons. I think God can use them anyway, just because He's God and can do as He pleases. Personally, Christian music does a lot to encourage me, including hard rock and metal. If I'm questioning whether I should listen to it or not, I look at the message coming from the lyrics and go from there.


Anyways, not trying to bombard you or anything and sorry if I'm bugging you. God bless.

questdriven:

If I may say so this is a masterly response!

(I'm speaking from the perspective of wisdom and analysis, rather than of point-scoring, which I don't think you are particularly into, anyway.)

Blessings.

 

[Angel]

Questdriven,

When you posted Romans 14:4, I thought you were talking about me and to be honest it hurt my feelings... But I do admit that I am absolutely not one to judge someone's heart! I'm working out my own Salvation. The reason I feel the way I do about metal is because of this verse:

1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJV
Abstain from all appearance of evil.

The death metal sound, and the metal appearance in general, to me, has the same appearance of wordly death metal.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I apologize. Didn't mean to make anyone feel bad.

 

[farouk]

I apologize. Didn't mean to make anyone feel bad.

questdriven:

Actually some of the statements to which you wrote your response would probably be described as rather bold; but in any case I do think that there is such a thing as Christian metal, Christian hard rock, whatever attempts there might be to deny it.

Blessings.

Blessings.

 

[Sparkey]

Horticulture. Right?

What happens when we have a cultivated garden, compelte with sign posted: "NO(!) Wild Red Chili Peppers Allowed."

but then? In an effort to be more inclusive we now begin to "cultivate" the wild as well?

Definition of CULTIVATE

1. : to prepare or prepare and use for the raising of crops; also : to loosen or break up the soil about (growing plants)
   
2. a : to foster the growth of <cultivate vegetables>
   b : culture 2a
   c : to improve by labor, care, or study : refine <cultivate the mind>​
3. : further, encourage <cultivate the arts>
   
4. : to seek the society of : make friends with

So now the question becomes, "How do we do this?" -OR- "How do we accept the ones from out of the world as they are transplanted into HIS garden while striving to obey and to "Be thou Holy, for I am Holy?" When we see sin, and I'm not talking about that which leads to death - for we have turned from those things, but if there is a trespass (an overstepping) and we see it? Then we ask. We ask God. He gives life." (see also 1John 5:16(ESV) and Heb 6:1(NIV) re: Repentance from things that lead to death (or from useless rituals).

In this manner we are not judging the servant of another. That applies (like every 2-edged word) to the cutting right and the rightly dividing principle. Internal. External. Even scale.

There is a new placard for the Garden; And yet another above that one:

"His Banner over Me is Love"
"Wild Red Chili Peppers Allowed."​

And the command, "Be thou holy, for I am Holy" --comes complete with anointing oil, the very Spirit of the Law and of God.
Oh! Look! Another sign, posted right over there: "Abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood."

 

[YosefHayim]

This isn't a rock band, it's more of an Electronic band. I sometimes wonder about this band. It's just simple electronic music with simple lyrics. They're most popular is probably "We are your friends". I haven't listened to them in a while. I like them. I can't listen to "trippy" or "obscure" music anymore though because of past drugs. Which is probably a good thing though, because the music industry is Itanimulli-tainted and full of subliminal messages. I need to look over the lyrics in my playlists and remove anything that's suggestive, or suspicious.
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Look up "Music Industry Exposed" on YouTube. It's put out by Muslims, but it holds some truth. (It doesn't push Islam in anyway from what I remember, but I'm still adding that as a warning.) It exposes a lot of satanic subliminal messages. And it's not the phony back-masking aka backwards messages. This is certain phrases in music that have occult meanings, as well as album and celebrity art. You'll see a lot of bands can claim to be Christian but it is really a guise so they can pull of their agendas. That's a good movie to start off with if you really want to dig into the reality of Media.



http://www.av1611.org/crock/crockex1.html

Watch this video from about 2:00 minutes to the end. The rest of the presentation isn't really worth watching. (It's like 7/8 parts long).
[video=youtube;rOgaBFfpgbE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOgaBFfpgbE[/video]
You even want to be careful with CCM and Christian Rock.


Rock isn't a bad thing though. People make it back.

[video=youtube;TvD9AmyddrI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvD9AmyddrI[/video]

 

[Free Christian]

The lyrics in the first post say he walked behind him on a windy road. Christ's way is straight and narrow.

 

[evenifigoalone]

This isn't a rock band, it's more of an Electronic band. I sometimes wonder about this band. It's just simple electronic music with simple lyrics. They're most popular is probably "We are your friends". I haven't listened to them in a while. I like them. I can't listen to "trippy" or "obscure" music anymore though because of past drugs. Which is probably a good thing though, because the music industry is Itanimulli-tainted and full of subliminal messages. I need to look over the lyrics in my playlists and remove anything that's suggestive, or suspicious.
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Look up "Music Industry Exposed" on YouTube. It's put out by Muslims, but it holds some truth. (It doesn't push Islam in anyway from what I remember, but I'm still adding that as a warning.) It exposes a lot of satanic subliminal messages. And it's not the phony back-masking aka backwards messages. This is certain phrases in music that have occult meanings, as well as album and celebrity art. You'll see a lot of bands can claim to be Christian but it is really a guise so they can pull of their agendas. That's a good movie to start off with if you really want to dig into the reality of Media.



http://www.av1611.org/crock/crockex1.html

Watch this video from about 2:00 minutes to the end. The rest of the presentation isn't really worth watching. (It's like 7/8 parts long).
[video=youtube;rOgaBFfpgbE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOgaBFfpgbE[/video]
You even want to be careful with CCM and Christian Rock.


Rock isn't a bad thing though. People make it back.

[video=youtube;TvD9AmyddrI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvD9AmyddrI[/video]

Hm, this is the kind of stuff I grew up with...in fact, that first link was to the very same tract that my old church still keeps in stock.

How to say this gently...?

I used to believe the things sources like that said. If they weren't the same sources, they used the exact same arguments.
What they had to say scared the crap out of me. I said I'd never listen to Christian rock.

When I began to check things out for myself, began to look into the music for myself, I saw it wasn't as I had been made to believe. I learned that some of the claims made were either misrepresented or twisted to fit an agenda. (Although I can't think of any specific examples. It's been a while.)


All that said, I have always said that it is important to look into the message the music is giving. This is very true. For me, the lyrics are the main deciding factor of a song. Bad message? Don't listen. Good message? Do.

But...runes? The artist's name being in place backwards? These things mean nothing to me. And why must it be automatically assumed that anyone who does these things have some evil agenda? If we assume that the claim that these are satanic symbols are true, then how do we know that the artist isn't simply using these things in ignorance because they think they look cool? Are we not to give others the benefit of a doubt?


I'd actually rather not argue this. I freely admit that this subject is too emotionally charged for me.

 

[YosefHayim]

Hm, this is the kind of stuff I grew up with...in fact, that first link was to the very same tract that my old church still keeps in stock. How to say this gently...? I decided a few years ago that the logic was incredibly faulty. I used to believe the things sources like that said. If they weren't the same sources, they used the exact same arguments. It scared the crap out of it. I said I'd never listen to Christian rock. When I began to check things out for myself, began to look into the music for myself, I saw it wasn't as I had been made to believe. I learned that some of the claims made were either misrepresented or twisted to fit an agenda. (Although I can't think of any specific examples, though. It's been a while.) All that said, I have always said that it is important to look into the message the music is giving. This is very true. For me, the lyrics are the main deciding factor of a song. Bad message? Don't listen. Good message? Do. But...runes? The artist's name being in place backwards? These things mean nothing to me. And why must it be automatically assumed that anyone who does these things have some evil agenda? If we assume that the claim that these are satanic symbols are true, then how do we know that the artist isn't simply using these things in ignorance because they think they look cool? Are we not to give others the benefit of a doubt? I'd actually rather not argue this. I freely admit that this subject is too emotionally charged for me.

It's not all Christian Rock Music. While I can agree that super conservative christians can be very stiff-necked, they are truthful on looking out for the content you listen to.

I don't think rock is evil (though it's unfortunate that the style was called rock n roll as a derogatory sex term).

I listen to Hillsong united, Chris Tomlin, Julie Meyer (last video in my previous post), as well as Shane and Shane.
I also listen to a lot of indie-rock music (mostly because it's not mainstream, but I still check it anyway and delete it when it doesn't settle).

So you're right, if it has a bad message don't listen, good message do.

It's nothing to with emotion or fear. I don't fear anything but the LORD.

Fear not him who kills the body, but he who can destroy both the body and soul in hell - Matthew 10:28



Two CCM albums:

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Here are two Pop albums (Lady Gaga, and Rhianna)
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All 4 albums contain the same occult symbolism. Notice that they are all the left eye too. Most of the time right eye is covered and the left eye is shown. The left eye represents the eye of horus as well as symbolizing. The Right eye is dark, the left is light representing enlightenment.

And as for runes and backwards imaging, which is based of Alister Crowly, one of the most disgusting satanists (You can see his face on the Sgt. Peppers Beatles album). It's not just runes, and it's not just backwards. it's both. I don't think a Christian should be using occult symbolism just because it "looks cool".

Remember that Satan masquerades as an angel of light.

 

[evenifigoalone]

It's not all Christian Rock Music. While I can agree that super conservative christians can be very stiff-necked, they are truthful on looking out for the content you listen to.

I don't think rock is evil (though it's unfortunate that the style was called rock n roll as a derogatory sex term).

I listen to Hillsong united, Chris Tomlin, Julie Meyer (last video in my previous post), as well as Shane and Shane.
I also listen to a lot of indie-rock music (mostly because it's not mainstream, but I still check it anyway and delete it when it doesn't settle).

So you're right, if it has a bad message don't listen, good message do.

It's nothing to with emotion or fear. I don't fear anything but the LORD.

Fear not him who kills the body, but he who can destroy both the body and soul in hell - Matthew 10:28



Two CCM albums:

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Here are two Pop albums (Lady Gaga, and Rhianna)
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All 4 albums contain the same occult symbolism.

And as for runes and backwards imaging, which is based of Alister Crowly, one of the most disgusting satanists (You can see his face on the Sgt. Peppers Beatles album). It's not just runes, and it's not just backwards. it's both. I don't think a Christian should be using occult symbolism just because it "looks cool".

Remember that Satan masquerades as an angel of light.

I listen to Skillet and TobyMac. There is nothing satanic about them.
I have no clue who the last two are. The imagery personally doesn't appeal to me, but I wouldn't judge them based off solely off of it.

I don't base my opinions on the music I listen to based on whether it "looks" occultist or not. To me, this is an incredibly flawed argument.

But that is my opinion.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I listen to Skillet and TobyMac. There is nothing satanic about them.
I have no clue who the last two are. The imagery personally doesn't appeal to me, but I wouldn't judge them based off solely off of it.

I don't base my opinions on the music I listen to based on whether it "looks" occultist or not. To me, this is an incredibly flawed argument.

But that is my opinion.

To add to this, an argument I realized could be used to thwart mine was that if an album cover featured a nude man or woman, would I still go by the same principal?

The answer is I would avoid it, because it'd suggest that the music would have messages that I'd disapprove of, and because it wouldn't sit well with my conscience.


Then, you might say, mayn't the same be said of albums with occultic symbols, that those would tend to have messages you would disapprove of?

In the first place, I don't see the logic in pointing at a picture of a single eye, or runes and backward text, or a triangle, and immediately assuming that makes them occult. I just don't. It's not much to go on at all.

In the second place, if I thought that the message in their music was something I disapproved of, I wouldn't be listening to them. Skillet, for example. I checked out their lyrics and the messages they gave before devoting myself to becoming a fan. This is generally a habit of mine when it comes to the music I listen to.


Lastly, I do admit it is possible that some of these people are not who they say they are. However, if their music is wholesome, I'm not going to stop listening to it simply because they are not.


In any case...well, settle the matter in your own conscience. Personally I can't take arguments like supposed occult symbols in music singlehandedly making them devil-spawn seriously, but naturally it's your [general you] prerogative and not mine that matters to you.

I feel like I've been too argumentative lately. I should probably back off.

 

[YosefHayim]

To add to this, an argument I realized could be used to thwart mine was that if an album cover featured a nude man or woman, would I still go by the same principal? The answer is I would avoid it, because it'd suggest that the music would have messages that I'd disapprove of, and because it wouldn't sit well with my conscience. Then, you might say, mayn't the same be said of albums with occultic symbols, that those would tend to have messages you would disapprove of? In the first place, I don't see the logic in pointing at a picture of a single eye, or runes and backward text, or a triangle, and immediately assuming that makes them occult. I just don't. It's not much to go on at all. In the second place, if I thought that the message in their music was something I disapproved of, I wouldn't be listening to them. Skillet, for example. I checked out their lyrics and the messages they gave before devoting myself to becoming a fan. This is generally a habit of mine when it comes to the music I listen to. Lastly, I do admit it is possible that some of these people are not who they say they are. However, if their music is wholesome, I'm not going to stop listening to it simply because they are not. In any case...well, settle the matter in your own conscience. Personally I can't take arguments like supposed occult symbols in music singlehandedly making them devil-spawn seriously, but naturally it's your [general you] prerogative and not mine that matters to you. I feel like I've been too argumentative lately. I should probably back off.

I edited my post before you responded last night but I said:

All 4 albums contain the same occult symbolism. Notice that they are all the left eye too. Most of the time right eye is covered and the left eye is shown. The left eye represents the eye of horus as well as symbolizing. The Right eye is dark, the left is light representing enlightenment or "awakening". Even tobymac is a left eye. Notice the point is the tear duct, so if there were a nose it most likely would be on the left of the album. While I do believe you can look to deep into things, there's a point where coincidence becomes to occurring to be coincidence. I think it's also a matter of what the lyrics say. In my opinion, things tobymacs lyrics just don't sound coherent. That's just me. I guess it's a matter of not just merely looking occult, but knowing occult symbolism.




It's a matter of looking not just at the symbolism. It's looking at the music as well. I feel that if it's meant for worshiping God, it should be pure, coherent, nor lacking.
Example:
Some trust in chariots / Some trust in horses / I'll trust in the name of / The Lord God of Israel / I will sing unto the Lord / He has triumphed gloriously / The horse and the rider thrown into the
Thrown into the sea.
These are Julie Meyer's lyrics. They flow with the spirit for me. It speaks his name, it lifts hum up, it recalls his work in Exodus,

This is my skizzle For Izzle Uh-uh Do what? What-what? What? Now when I say, "Where my freaks?" You can say, "Woo-woo.
These are Toby Mac's lyrics. And I really don't know how to comment on this.

Also if it's incoherent, there's more likely a chance of subliminal messaging. Subliminal messaging has been proven by a 90's Harvard study to be influencing on video gamers. (I'm trying to get away from my computer. Companies use subliminal to make you attracted. Today you're started off with LeapFrog LeapPad as a kid and then soon you'll be on the iPad. Be exposed to certain electronics for too long can cause cancers, but that's a whole different story. I'm pretty addicted to my computer.)


Symbolism can be blatant or subtle.
I've been trying to listen, and read the lyrics of Passion's music. I bought a 3 cd set of theirs.

11:11 is also occult numerology. It represents impractical idealism, visionary, refinement of ideals, intuition, revelation. It has masonic significance since 11+11=22. (11, 22, & 33 are significant)
http://www.in5d.com/1111-repetitive-numbers.html
"a Crystalinks' reader named Joe emailed about his experiences with the numbers 111:111, hence the file you are reading was first created and in so doing I took a long hard look at this phenomena experienced by those around me. Each time Joe was about to go through another major spiritual awakening, an epiphany of some kind, those numbers would appear in his physical experience to signal the upcoming change."



Oddly enough,

The one album is called awakening. The cover art depicts 3 X 3 squares with the letters awakening. In the capital "A" is a left eye on a face. The other half of the face is cut off. (Even more so the eye of providence is an occult symbol: eye in the triangle). And they have two verses on the cover. 1 peter 5:10. And then what is the other verse? John 11:11

I haven't noticed anything in the music, but I do want to look at it closer.

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But that's just me. I like looking into that esoteric stuff.



The idea of the cover of Sgt. peppers LHC band cover was to include artists at an imaginary concert. They were even going to include Hitler.
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This is Alister Crowley. He coined the term "Do what thou wilt". You can see Jay Z wearing a shirt with this slogan, as well as other satanic apparel.

Another song that comes to mind is Spirit in the Sky by Norman Greenbaum.

It sounds christian. It sounds like a good message. But the lyrics say: "I'm not a sinner. I never sinned. I got a friend in Jesus"
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If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8

I feel like I've been too argumentative lately.[/quote]
Not really. It's not bothering me. You have the right to speak your mind.

But that is my opinion.

And I can respect that.

 

[farouk]

questdriven:

I've never ever heard of some of the bands, the album covers of which have been reproduced.

Regarding a band such as Disciple, for example, some of its lyrics are so clear and Biblical. Scripture is clear: it's impossible for a someone in the habit of fellowshipping with demons to be giving clear and consistent Biblical testimony at the same time: 1 Corinthians 10.21

And yes, Disciple is hard rock.

 

[Edward]

Another song that comes to mind is Spirit in the Sky by Norman Greenbaum.

It sounds christian. It sounds like a good message. But the lyrics say: "I'm not a sinner. I never sinned. I got a friend in Jesus"

I always liked that song. When I heard that line, I likened it to being washed in the blood of Jesus, our sins to be never remembered.

A bit of trivia here. Norman Greenbaum was Jewish (Is Jewish?) and wanted to write a spiritual song, but didn't think a Jewish song would sell so he made it a Christian song.

 

[YosefHayim]

I always liked that song. When I heard that line, I likened it to being washed in the blood of Jesus, our sins to be never remembered. A bit of trivia here. Norman Greenbaum was Jewish (Is Jewish?) and wanted to write a spiritual song, but didn't think a Jewish song would sell so he made it a Christian song.

Aren't we still sinners when we are saved? (See verse previously reverenced) also John 8: you who are without sin cast the first stone.


I've got nothing against Jews, in fact I appreciate them more than Christians sometimes. That's where Christ came from.

But I likened the song to being washed in the brain.

That's just me.

 

[evenifigoalone]

@YosefHayim
Unconvinced for the reasons I already mentioned. Even if what you are saying is true (which, forgive me, but I've actually seen probably most--if not all--of these arguments before and see nothing in them), just listening to their music is not going to do anything.

As for tobymac...he's a rap/hiphop artist. They tend to have lyrics like that. Some I like and some I don't.

 

[evenifigoalone]

questdriven:

I've never ever heard of some of the bands, the album covers of which have been reproduced.

Regarding a band such as Disciple, for example, some of its lyrics are so clear and Biblical. Scripture is clear: it's impossible for a someone in the habit of fellowshipping with demons to be giving clear and consistent Biblical testimony at the same time: 1 Corinthians 10.21

And yes, Disciple is hard rock.

I just don't get the logic behind "this album looks kinda like the occult, therefore the artist must really be in the service of Satan". I grew up with these kind of arguments, actually. And I see nothing in them. They are based on assumptions based on imagery, not real, concrete proof.
If I had any other reason to believe that they were truly bad, and I do keep a good eye on the lyrics to any song I listen to, I wouldn't be listening to or buying the albums.

One of the artists mentioned in one of the videos we were shown was Michael W. Smith, and the argument was that he used runes and his name was typed backwards, therefore he must be in leaque with Satan.
This is satanic?
Here's a small quote for those who may not care to listen to the entire song:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Healing rain is coming down
It's coming closer to the lost and found
Tears of joy, and tears of shame
Are washed forever in Jesus' name

[...]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lift your heads, let us return
To the mercy seat where time began
And in your eyes, I see the pain
Come soak this dry heart with healing rain [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And only You, the Son of man
Can take a leper and let him stand
So lift your hands, they can be held
By someone greater, the great I Am [/FONT]

Another of his songs. Again, this is supposed to be satanic???


ETA:
Lady Gaga and Rhianna are secular artists. Didn't see that the names were provided before.
I don't really care for either's music in general, although I can't help but like a couple of the songs that I have heard by Rhianna.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Since Skillet was mentioned, here are some of their songs:
Imperfection

You mean so much
That heaven would touch
The face of humankind for you
How special you are
Revel in your day
You're fearfully and wonderfully made
You're wonderfully made

Tears falling down again
Come let the healing begin

You fall to your knees
You beg, you plead
Can I be somebody else
For all the times I hate myself?
Your failures devour your heart
In every hour, you're drowning
In your imperfection

Looking for Angels

I became a savior to some kids I'll never meet
Sent a check in the mail to buy them something to eat
What will you do to make a difference, to make a change?

What will you do to help someone along the way?
Just a touch, a smile as you turn the other cheek
Pray for your enemies, humble yourself, love's staring back at me
In the midst of the most painful faces
Angels show up in the strangest of places

I Can (one of their older songs, back when their lyrics were more obviously Christian than they are today)

Looking on the sad times, the guilt and all the shame
I have learned to submit my existing hurts and pains
All the grief I've learned to set aside
'Cause I am, I am, I am, I am

Feeling under rooted, feeling undermined
Can this grace of God cover me this time?
And when I feel the pain I know why I feel strange
And when I hear the rooster crow I am ashamed

Jesus on the cross and this cross upon my back
I have learned to submit then I whine about my lack
Sometimes I drop my cross deserve a little rest
That's when I run to you and I nail your feet and your wrist

I'm feeling under rooted, feeling undermined
Can this grace of God cover me this time?
And when I feel the pain I know why I feel strange
And when I hear the rooster crow I am ashamed

And when I feel the pain I know why I feel strange
And when I hear the rooster crow I am ashamed
And do you really love my soul, even after I hated you?
And do you really know my name, can I really come to you?

Are you really more faithful than
The changing of the seasons and the morning sun?
And do you really know my name, can I really come to you?
I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can
I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can
I don't care if the rooster crows, if the rooster crows
If the rooster crows, if the rooster crows, I can

Forgiven

Forgive me now cause I
Have been unfaithful
Don't ask me why cause I don't know

So many times I've tried
But was unable
This heart belongs to you alone

Now I'm in our secret place
Alone in your embrace
Where all my wrongs have been erased
You have forgiven

All the promises and lies
All the times I compromise
All the times you were denied
You have forgiven

Satanic????


Anyway, I'm going to be late for church if I don't leave now. TTYL