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Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

I take it this is an end time event since it occurs in chapter 18 of the book of Revelation.

But what does it mean?

Is God talking to Christians, since he said "my people"?

Does this apply to our time?
 
Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

I take it this is an end time event since it occurs in chapter 18 of the book of Revelation.

But what does it mean?

Is God talking to Christians, since he said "my people"?

Does this apply to our time?

Yes and Yes.

It is extremely problematic for any of us to see we are factually 'in' Mystery Babylon in order to come out.

The fact that it's 'mystery' Babylon relegates the matter immediately to allegorical understandings. At that point it becomes an examination of what basis [or not] is being deployed for understandings.

For me a 'literal' view can not compute or compete compared with the tools provided for allegorical understandings.

Dave Hunt (who passed away just this month btw) speculated immensely on this matter in his book "A Woman Rides The Beast" which I read when it came out in 1994. That book didn't do the subject matter any service as Hunt vainly tried to lay this whole matter on the RCC, which I considered at the time and had to eventually discard as non-viable entirely in favor of more solid 'personal' understandings, obviously not wanting to 'be in her,' AMEN?

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I take it this is an end time event since it occurs in chapter 18 of the book of Revelation.
But what does it mean?
Is God talking to Christians, since he said "my people"?
Does this apply to our time?

Without having the writer here to tell us explicitly what he was writing about we simply just can't be 100% certain. The best we can do is use the scriptural texts in Revelation and other books that use similar language to shed some light. There are certain questions that one must address if one attempts to decipher a meaning here and the 1st question would seem to be; Who is the HER referenced in the text?
In my opinion, the HER most closely resembles apostate 1st century (and prior) Jews occupying the Holy Land during the time of the writer. The 'scarlet whore' of Revelation fits many of the OT descriptions of apostate Jerusalem. In addition, Jesus' warning concerning the upcoming fate of Jerusalem, the religious leaders, and the Temple Jesus began in Matthew 23 gives us insight as to why if the her is Jerusalem, it would be necessary for the people of God to "come out of her."
 
I believe we find "her" in these verses..

Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

tob
 
To me, it is quite remarkable that John didn't see apostate Judaism (Jerusalem) if that was what was being revealed especially when he heard it earlier from the mouth of Jesus in Matthew 23 and the beginning of Matthew 24. I honestly can't explain why his "aha" moment didn't occur or wasn't documented if it did occur. What I can offer is that John as well as the others often didn't get things that seem obvious to us. Take for example the countless times Jesus told them about His death and resurrection and them still being dumbfounded when it occured as He explained. I say all this to say that just because john didn't immediately get it didn't change what was being conveyed.

Now, let's take a look at Ezekiel 16.

Quote:
1 And the word of the Lord came to me saying, 2 ‘O son of man; To Jerusalem now testify, about all of her lawless deeds! 3 Tell them that thus Jehovah: Your roots and your birth are in CanaAn. An Amorite man was your father, and your mother a Hittite. 4 And concerning your birth and the day you were born: Your naval wasn’t cut nor were you bathed; no one [cleansed] you with salt; and you weren’t wrapped tightly with [belly] bands.
5 ‘My eye did not feel enough sorrpw for you, to do these things or [show concern], so you were thrown out in the fields. For your life was deformed since the day you were born.
6 ‘Then I came and saw you defiled in your blood, and I said to you amidst all your blood: Now come to life! It was I who said to you in your blood, Now come to life… become many!
7 ‘I made you like [plants] that grow in a field, then you became many and great, and you entered the city of cities. Thereafter, your breasts and your hair both grew full, but you were still naked and indecent.
8 ‘And then I came and beheld you, and look… it was your time, a time for your rest. So, I opened and spread out My wings over you, and your indecency [and shame] I then covered. Then I swore to you with an oath, and entered a Sacred Agreement with you, says Jehovah, and that’s when you became Mine. 9 ‘Then I bathed you in water and washed off your blood, and oil I used to anoint you. 10 In colored clothes I then dressed you; I tied a blue cloth around you; then in linen I wrapped you, and placed a braided belt [on your hips]. 11 I decked you with ornamentation; I put bracelets around [both] your [wrists], and a necklace I put ‘round your neck. 12 I gave you a ring for your nose, as well as disks for your ears, and a crown of boasting for your head. 13 ‘You were adorned in silver and gold; your wraps were the finest of linen, as were your braids and colored clothes. You ate the finest of flour, as well as honey and olive oil. So, you became exceedingly [great], and you prospered as though you’re a [queen]. 14 A among the nations, your name became famous, and this was true of your beauty, for I had made your beauty complete… it was I who ordered it for you, says Jehovah.
15 ‘And on your beauty you then relied, and you gave away [sex] because of your name… to him you poured it out on the roads. 16 You [ripped] your clothes to make strings, to tie all your idols together, and then you did immoral things with them. So, there’s no way that you may [return], nor should you ever do so. 17 ‘Then you took the things about which you boast, including the gold and the silver I gave you, and with it made idols with whom you had sex. 18 Then you dressed them in your colored clothes, and set My oil and incense before them. 19 ‘You took the bread loaves I gave you – the fine flour, olive oil, and honey that I fed you – and before their faces you set them, as a pleasing scent and aroma. Yes, thus it was so, says Jehovah. 20 ‘Then you took the sons and the daughters you bore, and sacrificed these to [your gods], until [they all] were consumed, and immoral you continued to be. 21 Yes, to pacify [idols] you killed them… to them you gave all your children. 22 And this is even much worse, than your disgusting things and your being immoral.
‘You forgot the days of your youth, when you were indecent and naked, and you lived befouled in your blood. 23 And now that you’ve done all your evil, woe, woe upon you, says Jehovah! 24 ‘For, you’ve built a whorehouse for yourself, and posted signs in the squares. 25 You’ve built them on every corner, and in these you’ve wasted your beauty. Between your legs you’ve led all who would pass. Then made your immorality much worse, 26 for you’ve also had sex with the sons of Egyptians… with the flesh of those who live next door! And these many ways that you’ve been immoral, were so you could lead Me into a rage. 27 ‘So, {Look!} against you I’ll stretch My hand, and I’ll lift away all your Laws, and give you to those who detest you… to the daughters of the Philistines… those who turned you to your godless ways. 28 ‘With Assyrias’s sons You also had sex, but this brought you no satisfaction… yes, you had sex, but it wasn’t enough. 29 So, with the land of CanaAn you had sex, as well as with the Chaldeans, but with them you found no satisfaction. 30 ‘O what will I do to your heart, asks Jehovah, as you are doing these bad things… the works of a woman who’s known as a whore? Why, you’ve even had sex with your daughters! 31 ‘In every square you’ve built your whorehouses, but you don’t act as the madam! 32 An adulterous wife is what you are like; one whose husband acts as her pimp! 33 ‘Why, you pay those to whom you offer you sex… you’ve paid wages to all of your lovers, as inducements for them to stay near, and engage in all of your whoring! 34 ‘Your perversions are worse than [all] other women, for in whoring you’ve had sex with other whores. Why, you paid them (they didn’t pay you), so what you have done is perversion! 35 ‘Because of this, O you whore; Hear the word of Jehovah! 36 [He] says: Because you paid them with your copper coins, your shame will soon be uncovered… your whoring with all of your lovers, as well as your evil thoughts… your lawless deeds and your children’s blood, which you offered to them. 37 ‘Because of this; Look! I will gather your lovers against you, and mix among them all whom you’ve hated. Together I’ll bring them against you, until they have you surrounded. I’ll uncover your evils before them, and then they’ll all see your shame. 38 ‘I’ll punish you with what’s due an adulteress, for I will pour out your blood. In [My] rage and zeal I’ll appoint you for blood, 39 and then to them, I’ll then hand you over… and they’ll cut your whorehouses to the ground. They’ll demolish your base and rip off your clothes… they’ll take all the things that you boast of, and leave you indecent and naked. 40 ‘Against you they will lead mobs, who’ll stone you with rocks and stab you with swords. 41 Then they’ll burn your whorehouses with fire… they will wreak vengeance upon you, there before crowds of other women.
‘But I’ll turn you away from your whoring, and from the wages you paid your lovers… 42 I will slacken My rage against you, and remove the zeal that I once had for you… I will rest and be anxious no more. 43 ‘Because you forgot the days of your youth, and caused me to fret over such things, {Look!} I’ll bring them down on your head, says Jehovah, and then you’ll no longer be godless. 44 ‘Against you, they have said this: As is the mother, so is the daughter; 45 and you are truly your mother’s daughter… she who’s divorced from her husband, and she who abandoned her children (all of your sisters and brothers)… those whom she pushed away, along with their husbands and children. ‘For, an Amorite was your father, and your mother a Hittite; 46 your older sister is Samaria, whose daughters have lived to your left. Your younger sister who lives on your right (along with all of her daughters), is Sodom. 47 In their ways you have followed, and all their lawless deeds you have done, so their ways are now better than yours! 48 ‘As I live, says Jehovah; Has your sister Sodom (she and her daughters) acted like you and your daughters? 49 The sin of Sodom your sister was pride. For, though she had plenty of bread (and she and her daughters had more than enough), this thing [was true] among them: They offered no aid to the needy and poor. 50 They bragged and broke laws before Me. And as you saw, I removed them! 51 ‘Yet, Samaria didn’t sin with half of your sins, for you’re now more lawless she; and all the lawless things that you’ve done, declare your sisters more righteous. 52 ‘So, you must carry your torment! For, you’ve corrupted your sisters with your sins… with lawlessness that is worse than even theirs, making them look much better than you. So, be ashamed and accept your dishonor, for it’s you who made your sisters look better. 53 ‘So I’ll remove from them their rejection – the rejection of Sodom and her daughters – and I’ll remove the rejection of Samaria, as well as that of her daughters, and I’ll remove you from their midst. 54 For you must carry your torment and disgrace, for all you did to provoke Me to rage. 55 ‘And your sister Sodom and her daughters, will be restored as they were at the first. And Samaria and her daughters will too be restored, as they were at the beginning. Your daughters will also be restored, as they were [long ago]. 56 ‘Wasn’t Sodom your sister a reason to boast, in the days of your pride, 57 before your evils were uncovered, and for which you’re are now scorned, by Syria’s daughters, as well as those round about… the daughters of Philistines who live around you? 58 ‘As for all the irreverence, and the lawless deeds that you’ve carried, says Jehovah, 59 I’ll do among you as you’ve done… for you’ve disgraced your sacred oath, by breaking My Sacred Agreement. 60 ‘But, I will remember My Sacred Agreement (the one that I made in the days of your youth), and remake My Agreement with you through the age. 61 Then you’ll remember the way [you should go], but for following in the ways of your sisters (both the younger and older), you will now be despised. But I’ll give them to you so you can teach them… but not of your Sacred Agreement. 62 For, My Sacred Agreement will just be with you, and then you will know that I am Jehovah. 63 ‘Then you should remember and be ashamed, and not open your mouth, because of the dishonor upon your face, since it was Me who had to atone, for all the bad things you did, says Jehovah.’



- Ezekiel's account of Jerusalem calls her a whore and identified her as a prostitute as well who happenned to also be mother who's family was guilty of the same sins as she.

- According to Ezekiel she is adorned as a Queen with jewels and riches.

- The filth of her adulteries is described by Ezekiel.

- In Ezekiel, no title written on her forehead, but she is described in a way fitting The Mother of Prostitutes and of the Abominations of the Earth.

- The passage in Ezekiel doesn't really touch Jesus or the prophets, though it does call her a murderer. We have Jesus Himself in Matthew telling us that Jerusalem is the killer of prophets and we see that it was the Jews who had Jesus and many of the saints in the 1st century killed starting with Stephen in Acts 7.

She sits on seven hills.
- could that denote the Jewish relationship to the Roman Empire? I need to do more research before attempting to address this properly

The seven hills are also seven kings. And "the beast who once was, and now is not, is an 8th king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction."
- the Beast seems to be a reference to the Roman Empire as beasts in the Bible were always national, political world powers like Babylon, Greece, Medo-Persia, and Rome.
 
Additionally

Revelation 18:20 says the following about the reaction of the Holy Ones, Apostles, and prophets concerning the fall of Babylon.

20 ‘O heaven, you Holy Ones, you Apostles and Prophets; Rejoice over her, because God’s judgment has brought revenge upon her for your sakes!’

The fact that the word REVENGE is used for what was done to the Holy Ones, Apostles, and prophets tells the reader that Babylon was guilty of offending the Holy Ones, Apostles (word means sent one), and prophets.
Does the Bible identify the actual culpret that did the offending of the sent ones from God? YES!

In light of that fact, let us pay attention to Matthews words.

29 ‘Woe to you scribes and Pharisees – hypocrites – because you build places to bury dead Prophets and decorate the tombs of the righteous, 30 then say, If we had lived back in the days of our forefathers, we wouldn’t have shared in [spilling] the blood of the Prophets. 31 But when you say this, you testify against yourselves that you are the sons of those who murdered the Prophets… 32 and now, fully measure up to your ancestors! 33 ‘Snakes and children of vipers; How can you escape the judgment of the garbage dump? 34 Look! I’m sending you Prophets, wise men, and writers, whom you will kill; and you’ll hang some on poles, while you’ll whip others in your synagogues and persecute them from city to city. 35 And then you will become responsible for all the righteous blood that was spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of ZechariJah (the son of BarachiJah), whom you murdered between the Holy Place and the Altar. 36 I tell you the truth; All that [guilt] will be laid on this generation! 37 ‘O Jerusalem, Jerusalem… you killer of Prophets and stoner of those who were sent to you! How often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you didn’t want it. 38 Look! Your house has been taken from you!
 
And DAUGHTERS, all are in this together. See Matt. 6:14 for inclusiveness!
Matt. 6
[24] No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

And what do these mostly all adhere to?

--Elijah
 
Hello Joe Domingo

You stated:Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

I take it this is an end time event since it occurs in chapter 18 of the book of Revelation.

But what does it mean?

Is God talking to Christians, since he said "my people"?

My response: This is real simple. It means what it says. Future Babylon is slated to be destroyed. "Come out of her, my people" are instructions (to believers) to leave Babylon before her demise. Those believers who ignore these instructions will be destroyed with her.

You stated: Does this apply to our time?

My response: I believe that the destruction of Babylon will take place toward the end of the tribulation period.
 
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Hello Joe Domingo

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

I take it this is an end time event since it occurs in chapter 18 of the book of Revelation.

But what does it mean?

Is God talking to Christians, since he said "my people"?

This is real simple. It means what it says. Future Babylon is slated to be destroyed. "Come out of her, my people" are instructions (to believers) to leave Babylon before her demise. Those believers who ignore these instructions will be destroyed with her.

Does this apply to our time?

I believe that the destruction of Babylon will take place toward the end of the tribulation period.

Agreed
 
Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

I take it this is an end time event since it occurs in chapter 18 of the book of Revelation.

But what does it mean?

Is God talking to Christians, since he said "my people"?

Does this apply to our time?

This particular verse is referring to the tribes of Israel that are and will be aligned with the Beast Power. Refers to France, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Danmark and Ireland, Finland and Britain.
 
Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

I take it this is an end time event since it occurs in chapter 18 of the book of Revelation.

But what does it mean?

Is God talking to Christians, since he said "my people"?

Does this apply to our time?

This particular verse is referring to the tribes of Israel that are and will be aligned with the Beast Power. Refers to France, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Danmark and Ireland, Finland and Britain.

Can you substantiate this claim with solid evidence we can all inspect?
 
Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

I take it this is an end time event since it occurs in chapter 18 of the book of Revelation.

But what does it mean?

Is God talking to Christians, since he said "my people"?

Does this apply to our time?

This particular verse is referring to the tribes of Israel that are and will be aligned with the Beast Power. Refers to France, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Danmark and Ireland, Finland and Britain.

Hum ...............

See my thread http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=51964 which nobody has dared to touch by the way!

Truth hurts so much! And I am so right on that position it isn't even funny. Nothing like scientific empirical data to have your back.

Needless to say I don't believe any of those nations are Israel. They can't prove it!

Can you substantiate this claim with solid evidence we can all inspect?
Ditto
 
My first posting at the forum:

I am a Bible prophecy teacher and writer with about 35 years in the study including ancient Middle Eastern history … hope I can make a contribution to the forum

I interpret the prophetic scriptures literally and apply symbolic meaning as it is literally described within the immediate context, or in other related scriptures

I also see the Middle East as the central focus of the visions of the Bible prophets

My exegesis would be viewed as pre-millennial and future directed with regard to the visions of the Bible prophets

Many prophecy teachers have very different approaches to the study today which differ from mine

I prefer not to engage into argumentation over interpretive dogmas, but will address any reasonable questions regarding the subject matter presented

Here is my understanding related to the OP:


Revelation 18:4 is the calling out of the Lord’s own [believers and followers of Jesus Christ] from the earth just before the first judgment of His coming hour [time] of trial

This first judgment will be the destruction of the “great city” part of MBG … this devastation will send the earth into a tail spin and all nations will be effected by the impact

Here are the associated scriptures [Joel 2:1-11; 1 Corinthians 15:21-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 5:1-9; 2 Thessalonians 2:1; Revelation 3:10; 3:15-19; 4:4; 5:1-10; 7:9-17; 8:6-12; 11:1; 12:12; 14:8; 17:14; 18:1-21; 19:1-9; 20:4]
 
Here is my understanding related to the OP:


Revelation 18:4 is the calling out of the Lord’s own [believers and followers of Jesus Christ] from the earth just before the first judgment of His coming hour [time] of trial

This first judgment will be the destruction of the “great city” part of MBG … this devastation will send the earth into a tail spin and all nations will be effected by the impact

Here are the associated scriptures [Joel 2:1-11; 1 Corinthians 15:21-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 5:1-9; 2 Thessalonians 2:1; Revelation 3:10; 3:15-19; 4:4; 5:1-10; 7:9-17; 8:6-12; 11:1; 12:12; 14:8; 17:14; 18:1-21; 19:1-9; 20:4]

Hello Bible Linker,

I agree. However, I think the evacuation has to take place prior to the start of the GT. I base this on the necessity of having the mark-of-the-beast in order to purchase travel arrangements. Not to mention the AC police road blocks.

If you believe that this takes place after the start of the GT, how do you suggest that the non-marked believers get around these obstacles?

Guy
 
I think the evacuation has to take place prior to the start of the GT
Here we have the church of Thyatira that is told they will enter great tribulation unless they repent.

Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Revelation 18:4 . . . Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Can these be the same church? Come out of her My people is certainly of the church.
 
Can these be the same church? Come out of her My people is certainly of the church.

Hello Eugene,

Is not the church made up of the dead-in-Christ and those believers that will be alive at His advent?

As you have pointed out, there are going to be many believers that are going to be martyred during the coming GT. However, there are also going to be some believers which will be alive at His advent. I have found that the word puzzle known as Bible prophecy contains survival instructions for those "elect" believers.

These instructions "Come out of her, my people" are an example of these survival instructions. Even the letters to the seven churches contain the reference to "those who overcome" which is survival info earmarked for those survivors.

Guy
 
Can these be the same church? Come out of her My people is certainly of the church.

Hello Eugene,

Is not the church made up of the dead-in-Christ and those believers that will be alive at His advent?

As you have pointed out, there are going to be many believers that are going to be martyred during the coming GT. However, there are also going to be some believers which will be alive at His advent. I have found that the word puzzle known as Bible prophecy contains survival instructions for those "elect" believers.

These instructions "Come out of her, my people" are an example of these survival instructions. Even the letters to the seven churches contain the reference to "those who overcome" which is survival info earmarked for those survivors.

Guy
Good question. The church in total is one body; that of Christ who sleep or are alive at His coming for them. Revelation Chapters Two and Three show the judgment of the church according to their works. Five of the seven conditions of the church are told to repent, while two are commended; Smyrna and Philadelphia. Smyrna show those faithful unto death and receive a crown (Rev 2:10). and Philadelphia them that remain alive until Jesus' coming for them. They also have crowns and are promised deliverance from the temptation to come upon all the world for patiently keeping the word Rev 3:10). If this starts to make sense I'll be glad to go further with it.
 
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