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Hello; and welcome to a collection of bits and pieces from the Bible that
come in handy now and then for just about everybody.


FYI: The bits and pieces herein aren't plagiarized, rather, copied and
pasted from my own personal web page; which isn't copyrighted so if you
should go there and see something interesting and would like to take it with
you; it's okay, I don't mind.

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The Difference Between The Old Testament And The New

This major division in the Bible is primarily editorial; viz: it's man-made
instead of God-made; but the division is pretty harmless and actually quite
useful.

In a nutshell:

1• The simplest difference is chronological, i.e. the Old Testament focuses
upon the Jews' religious history prior to Christ's birth, while the New focuses
upon the world's introduction to Christianity in connection with Christ's
crucifixion and resurrection.

2• "Old Testament" refers to the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon
with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

3• "New Testament" refers to the covenant that Yhvh's people will eventually
agree upon with God as per Jeremiah 31:31-34.

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The Everlasting Gospel

This particular gospel is a bounce from the first chapter of Genesis.

Rev 14:6-7 . . And I saw another angel flying through the sky, carrying the
everlasting gospel to preach to the people who dwell on the earth-- to every
nation, tribe, language, and people. Fear God! he shouted. Give glory to
Him! For the time has come when He will sit as judge. Worship Him who
made heaven and earth, the sea, and all the springs of water!

The everlasting gospel is very elementary. Pretty much all it says is:

1• There is a supreme being.

2• He deserves respect.

3• There's a frightful reckoning looming on the horizon, and

4• The cosmos-- all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --is the product
of intelligent design.


NOTE: cf. Rom 1:18-20

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The Length Of A Creation Day

Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.

According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all land animals on the
sixth day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other day did God
create land animals but the sixth. Well; that right there gives us a clue to
the length of a creation day because scientific dating methods have easily
proven that dinosaurs preceded human life by several million years.

So then, in my estimation, the days of creation should be taken to represent
epochs of indeterminable length rather than 24-hour events. That's not an
unreasonable estimation; for example:

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were
created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven." (Gen 2:4)

The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
calendar day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.

So then, why can't Bible thumpers accept a six-epoch explanation? Because
they're hung up on the expression "evening and morning"

The interesting thing is: there were no physical evenings and mornings till
the fourth day when the Sun was created and brought on line. So I suggest
that the expression "evening and morning" is simply a convenient way to
indicate the simultaneous wrap of one epoch and the beginning of another.


NOTE: Chronologically speaking; physical evenings and mornings indicate
overnight, i.e. the days of creation would include no daytime, plus they'd be
only twelve hours in length rather than twenty-four.

Evenings and Mornings themselves are just as ambiguous as yowm. There is
no specific word for afternoon in the Bible, so evening can indicate the hours
from high noon to sunset, while morning can indicate the hours between
sunrise and high noon. In that respect, an evening and a morning together
would indicate twelve hours of daytime. (cf. John 11:9)

Anyway; this "day" thing has been a chronic problem for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so we end up stumped
when trying to figure out how to cope with the estimated 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.

It just never seems to occur to us that it might be okay in some cases to go
ahead and think outside the box. When we do that-- when we allow
ourselves to think outside the box --that's when we begin to really
appreciate the contributions science has made towards providing modern
men a window into the Earth's amazing past.

Galileo believed that science and religion are allies rather than enemies--
two different languages telling the same story. In other words: science and
religion compliment each other-- science answers questions that religion
doesn't answer, and religion answers questions that science cannot answer;
viz: science and religion are not enemies; no, to the contrary, science and
religion assist each other in their respective quests to get to the bottom of
some of the cosmos' greatest mysteries.

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Non Binary Identification

The non binary political movement consists of people who shun labeling their
gender as either male or female, and prefer to speak of themselves with
neuter pronouns, for example: it, its, that, they, and them.

I've no reservations whatsoever that humanity's creator regards non gender
people as freaks of nature; in other words: non gender people are not of His
making because His making was two distinct genders: male and female.

Gen 1:27 . . God created Man in his own image, in the image of God
created He him; male and female created He them.

Matt 19:4 . . Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning
made them male and female?

If people can't agree with humanity's creator on something as elementary as
their gender designations as per Gen 1:27 and Matt 19:4, then I have to
assume that they disagree with Him on many other issues far more
important than that.

There's a term for people unable to accept themselves as the person they
really are. I think it might be called Dissociative Disorder. There was a time
when society confined people with those kinds of conditions to psychiatric
facilities for observation and therapy, but nowadays political correctness
requires that they be "included". But God-honoring Christian churches dare
not accept into their official membership roles someone known to be non
binary.

Heb 12:15 . . See to it that no one misses the grace of God, and that no
bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

A bitter root is one belonging to a species unfit for human consumption.
When you find noxious vegetation sprouting in your garden, you've got to
get out there with a hoe and dig that stuff up before it spreads out of
control.


FYI: Hebrews 12:15 doesn't apply to the world at large. It only applies to the
official membership roles of a Christian congregation, i.e. non binary folk can
come to church on Sunday and listen to the choir and the pastor's sermon as
visitors if they like; no harm in that.

Q: Why should a government even care what gender a person uses? Is it
any of the state's business to control and regulate someone's gender
designation?

A: The government doesn't control people's gender; nature does; in point of
fact, nature chooses people's gender for them without bothering to get their
consent first. It's one of those acts of God-- like hurricanes, lightning,
volcanoes, earthquakes, and tsunamis --that nobody can do anything about.

These non gender people are fighting not only against nature but also
against common sense; which everyone except themselves knows is a losing
battle. When people fight against nature and common sense, they only end
up coming across as crack pots; which in truth, is exactly what they are.


NOTE: Prince Rogers Nelson (a.k.a. Prince the entertainer) at one time
decided he didn't want to be known by a name spelled with letters and so
created an unpronounceable symbol for himself; but of course he continued
to be known as Prince.

Point being: though non binary people wish not to be described as boys and
girls and/or men and women and/or males and females, they are still seen
that way by everybody else. The quest to disown their gender is not only a
fight against nature and common sense, but also a fight against God and
country. They might succeed in gaining a measure of legal protection; but
never in a million years will they gain people's honest respect; which is a
very good reason to disqualify non binary folk applying for the office of elder
in a Christian church.

1Tim 3:7 . . He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that
he will not fall into disgrace and into the Devil's trap.

A non binary Christian church elder would be seen by the world as a bona
fide hypocrite; which can be roughly defined as somebody who should be
standing for the Bible but at heart does not care to live by it. With a church
officer like that; you couldn't help but wonder where else they've
compromised the faith.

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The Length Of A Creation Day

Gen 1:5b . . And there was evening and there was morning, a first Day.

According to Gen 1:24-31, God created humans and all land animals on the
sixth day; which has to include dinosaurs because on no other day did God
create land animals but the sixth. Well; that right there gives us a clue to
the length of a creation day because scientific dating methods have easily
proven that dinosaurs preceded human life by several million years.

So then, in my estimation, the days of creation should be taken to represent
epochs of indeterminable length rather than 24-hour events. That's not an
unreasonable estimation; for example:

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were
created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven." (Gen 2:4)

The Hebrew word for "day" in that verse is yowm (yome) which is the very
same word for each of the six days of God's creation labors. Since yowm in
Gen 2:4 refers to a period of time obviously much longer than a 24-hour
calendar day; it justifies suggesting that each of the six days of creation
were longer than 24 hours apiece too. In other words: yowm is ambiguous
and not all that easy to interpret sometimes.

So then, why can't Bible thumpers accept a six-epoch explanation? Because
they're hung up on the expression "evening and morning"

The interesting thing is: there were no physical evenings and mornings till
the fourth day when the Sun was created and brought on line. So I suggest
that the expression "evening and morning" is simply a convenient way to
indicate the simultaneous wrap of one epoch and the beginning of another.


NOTE: Chronologically speaking; physical evenings and mornings indicate
overnight, i.e. the days of creation would include no daytime, plus they'd be
only twelve hours in length rather than twenty-four.

Evenings and Mornings themselves are just as ambiguous as yowm. There is
no specific word for afternoon in the Bible, so evening can indicate the hours
from high noon to sunset, while morning can indicate the hours between
sunrise and high noon. In that respect, an evening and a morning together
would indicate twelve hours of daytime. (cf. John 11:9)

Anyway; this "day" thing has been a chronic problem for just about
everybody who takes Genesis seriously. It's typically assumed that the days
of creation consisted of twenty-four hours apiece; so we end up stumped
when trying to figure out how to cope with the estimated 4.5 billion-year age
of the earth, and factor in the various eras, e.g. Triassic, Jurassic, Mesozoic,
Cenozoic, Cretaceous, etc, plus the ice ages and the mass extinction events.

It just never seems to occur to us that it might be okay in some cases to go
ahead and think outside the box. When we do that-- when we allow
ourselves to think outside the box --that's when we begin to really
appreciate the contributions science has made towards providing modern
men a window into the Earth's amazing past.

Galileo believed that science and religion are allies rather than enemies--
two different languages telling the same story. In other words: science and
religion compliment each other-- science answers questions that religion
doesn't answer, and religion answers questions that science cannot answer;
viz: science and religion are not enemies; no, to the contrary, science and
religion assist each other in their respective quests to get to the bottom of
some of the cosmos' greatest mysteries.

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Continuing from post #5

Leaven

Gen 19:3 . . Lot prepared a feast for them and baked unleavened bread,
and they ate.

The Hebrew word for "unleavened" is matstsah (mats-tsaw') which
essentially refers to an unfermented cake or loaf; in other words: bread
made with sweet dough rather than sour dough.

In this day and age of cultured yeast it's not easy to explain what the Bible
means by leavened and unleavened. Well; the primary difference between
the two terms isn't ingredients; rather, the primary difference is age; for
example:

"Let us therefore celebrate the feast, not with old leaven" (1Cor 5:8)

If there is an old leaven, then there must be a new leaven; just as there is
an old wine and a new wine.

Old leaven can refer to a batch of dough that's going bad, i.e. fermenting;
which, given time, dough will do on its own without the addition of yeast
because all flour, no matter how carefully it's milled and packaged, contains
a percentage of naturally-occurring fungi. New leaven, then, would refer to a
time in the life of the dough before the flour's naturally-occurring fungi has
time to spoil the product; for example:

Ex 12:34 . . So the people took their dough before it was leavened, with
their kneading bowls bound up in the clothes on their shoulders.

That gives an idea of how quickly God moved the people out of Egypt after
slaying all the firstborn. They had made bread with unfermented dough for
that night's meal in accord with the law of the Passover instituted in the 12th
chapter of Exodus.

Anyway, point being; Lot served his guests fresh bread made with fresh
dough rather than with bread made with dough that's been sitting around for
a while. Bread made with sour dough is reasonably safe to eat, we know
that, so serving his guests bread made with aged dough wouldn't have been
a health issue. I like to think that Lot served his honored guests unleavened
bread as an act of courtesy rather than necessity. Giving people your best,
rather than your less than best, shows that you think highly of them.

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Big Daddy

The Phylogenetic Tree Of Life is an interesting scientific diagram that traces
all forms of life back to a singular genetic heritage regardless of species. In
other words; if you started with a raccoon, and followed it's branch down the
tree far enough, you'd eventually intersect with another branch that you
could then trace to mushrooms. The tree is sort of the equivalent of a Big
Bang of living things.

The branch on that tree that interests me the most is the one that traces
human life. According to the diagram; any two people you might select-- no
matter what their age, race, or gender --if traced back far enough, can
eventually be linked to a common ancestor; which of course is no surprise to
Bible students.

Gen 2:21-23 . .Yhvh God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he
slept; then He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh at that place. And
the God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man,
and brought her to the man. And the man said: This is now bone of my
bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was
taken out of Man.

The Hebrew for "rib" in that passage is tsela' (tsay-law') and Gen 2:21-23
contains the only two places in the entire Old Testament where it's
translated with an English word representing a skeletal bone. In the other
twenty-nine places, it's translated "side"

In other words: Eve wasn't constructed directly from the dust of the earth as
was Adam. She was constructed from a human tissue sample amputated
from Adam's body; ergo: Eve's flesh was derived from Adam's; consequently
any and all human life produced by Eve's flesh is biologically traceable to
Adam's flesh.

Gen 3:20 . . Adam named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother
of all people everywhere.

Acts 17:26 . . He made from one man every variety of mankind to live on
all the face of the earth

So then, it was the creator's deliberate design that all human life be
biologically related to a sole source of human life-- the one and only human
life that God created directly from the earth's dust; viz: Adam. (Gen 2:7)

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Why Everyone Has To Die At Least Once

Prior to Moses, an official code of divine law containing lethal consequences
had yet to be issued.

Rom 5:13-14 . . Before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is
not taken into account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned
from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin
by breaking a command, as did Adam.

The answer is: they all had to die not because of breaking an official code of
divine law; but because of Adam breaking just one rule (Gen 2:16-17). His
disobedience in the matter of the forbidden fruit effected his entire posterity:
both the good and the bad; the young and the old.

This is really difficult for some people to get their heads around.
Nevertheless, it's very important to accept it whether one understands it or
not because the apostle Paul applies this principle in his effort to explain why
it is that Christ's followers never have to worry about being condemned for
their sins. (Rom 5:12-21)


NOTE: Opponents are often quick to point out that Ezek 18:20 says that
children don't share their father's guilt. But hey, which came first? Adam or
Ezekiel? So then, since Adam's incident came along many years before
Ezekiel's prophecy, then God was at liberty back then to reckon Adam's
posterity as joint principals in his act of disobedience because biblical law
isn't retroactive, i.e. when a law prohibiting certain things is enacted ex
post facto, then it cannot be imposed upon people in the past; especially
the distant past. That's a very important principle to nail down in one's
thinking. (cf. Gal 3:17)

Rom 5:12 . . Sin entered the world through one man, and death through
sin; and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned.

"all sinned" has no reference to all's own personal sins; just Adam's, i.e. his
sin became everyone's sin, even everyone yet to be born.

The upside to this situation is that Adam's sin isn't a sin unto hell. The
proper satisfaction of justice for his sin is one's first passing (Gen 2:17 and Gen
3:19). The satisfaction of justice for his posterity's own sins is another matter.

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Yom Kippur

Lev 16:29-34 . . And it shall be a statute to you for ever that in the
seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict yourselves,
and shall do no work, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among
you; for on this day shall atonement be made for you, to cleanse you; from
all your sins you shall be clean before The Lord.

. . . It is a sabbath of solemn rest to you, and you shall afflict yourselves; it
is a statute for ever.

. . . And the priest who is anointed and consecrated as priest in his father's
place shall make atonement, wearing the holy linen garments; he shall make
atonement for the sanctuary, and he shall make atonement for the tent of
meeting and for the altar, and he shall make atonement for the priests and
for all the people of the assembly.

. . . And this shall be an everlasting statute for you, that atonement may be
made for the people of Israel once in the year because of all their sins. And
Moses did as The Lord commanded him.

See also Lev 23:27-32, and Num 29:7

There are many more details to Yom Kippur than the above, but the rest
doesn't really matter all that much to Christians because the New Testament
only concerns itself with the ritual's limitations.

In the letter to Hebrews; it's explained that Yom Kippur's ritual only
addresses sins committed up to that point; i.e. the very moment that the
high priest completes the full and complete ritual, new sins immediately
begin to accumulate on the books requiring the attention of yet another Yom
Kippur; and another, and another, and another, ad infinitum; viz: Yom
Kippur's ritual is never sufficient to address sins once and for all. In other
words: it's always and only for addressing the people's past sins; never their
future sins.

FYI: Never wish a Jewish person a happy Yom Kippur. It's okay to wish them
a satisfactory Yom Kippur but never a happy one because it is not a day of
pleasure like Christmas and birthdays; no, it is specifically a day of sadness
and self-affliction as per Lev 16:29, Lev 16:31, Lev 23:27, and Lev 23:32,
which is from a Hebrew word meaning to mistreat, humiliate, oppress, break
the spirit, demean, abuse, weaken, injure, abase, etc. Jews that fail to be
unhappy on that day accrue an instant curse upon themselves. (Deut 27:26)

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David's Little Boy

Long story short: David breached the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed
upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy by
committing the capital crimes of premeditated murder and adultery (2Sam
11:1-2Sam 12:23). As bad as those two breaches are; what really rattled
heaven's cage was that David's conduct was an embarrassment.

2Sam 12:14a . . Because by this deed you have given occasion to the
enemies of The Lord to blaspheme,

What might the nature of that blasphemy be? Well; you probably already
know because it's very popular: "How can God call David a man after His
own heart when he was nothing but a premeditated murderer and
adulterer?"

Behavior like David's also causes the world to question the wisdom of Yhvh's
choice of a people for His name. That too is a very common form of
blaspheme: it goes on all the time. (e.g. Isa 62:5, Rom 2:24)

2Sam 12:14b-18 . . the child also that is born to you shall surely die . .
.The Lord struck the child that Uriah's widow bore to David, so that he was
very sick . . .Then it happened on the seventh day that the child died.

How was that fair? Well; it wasn't meant to be fair to the boy; it was meant
to be fair to David. His little boy was just collateral damage.

Ex 34:6-7 . . Then Yhvh passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed: Yhvh,
Yhvh God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in
loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who
forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the
guilty unpunished: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the
grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.

It is apparently God's prerogative to get back at people by going after their
posterity and/or the people they govern.

There's a horrific example of collateral damage located at Num 16:25-34.
Another is the Flood. No doubt quite a few underage children drowned in
that event due to their parents' wickedness. The same happened to the
children in Sodom and Gomorrah, and Ham's punishment for humiliating
Noah was a curse upon his son Canaan, and during Moses' face-off with
Pharaoh, God moved against the man's firstborn son along with all those of
his subjects.

The grand-daddy of all collateral damages is everybody has to die because
the human race's progenitor disobeyed God in the very beginning. (Rom
5:12-18)

Interesting isn't it? There are times when Heaven's anger seems to come out
of the blue; but if truth be known; sometimes it actually comes out of the
past; for example:

2Sam 21:1 . . Now there was a famine in the days of David for three
years, year after year; and David sought the presence of the Lord. And the
Lord said: It is for Saul and his bloody house, because he put the Gibeonites
to death.

Joshua agreed to a non-aggression pact with the Gibeonites during the
conquest of Canaan (Josh 9:3-16). Saul, when king, dishonored the pact. He
apparently got away with it; but not his countrymen, no; God slammed them
for what Saul did; and that posthumously.

Moral of the story: The sins of today, jeopardize the lives of tomorrow; and
sometimes those lives are very large in number.

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The Flesh

Rom 8:13 . . For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the
Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

The koiné Greek word for flesh is sarx (sarx); which basically indicates the
meaty parts of either man or beast. The meat of the human body would of
course include the 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue housed within its
bony little skull sufficing for a mind; and it's not all that difficult to tamper
with a brain and make its owner quite mindless.

The meaty parts of the human body are the source of a human being's
human nature and it isn't all that difficult to define. Webster's says its (1)
the ways of thinking, feeling, and acting that are common to most people,
and (2) the nature of humans; especially the fundamental dispositions and
traits of humans.

In a nutshell then: the flesh, as per Rom 8:13, can be concisely defined as
that which comes natural to an organic species of life.

Ironically, when God finished assembling the cosmos with its various forms
of life, matter, and energy; He pronounced it all not just good; but "very"
good. In other words, God was satisfied that the human body came out just
exactly as He designed it to come out; but it didn't stay that way.

Rom 7:18 . . I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good
thing: for to will is present with me

When people do something contrary to their own better judgment; it's very
common to hear them complain "I don't know what came over me." Well;
the thing that came over them was their fundamental dispositions and traits.

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The Brazen Serpent

John 3:14-17 . . As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so
must the Son of Man be lifted up; that whoever believes may in him have
eternal life. For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son,
that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

The incident to which Christ referred is located at Num 21:5-9. Long story
short: Yhvh's people became weary of eating manna all the time at every
meal. But instead of courteously, and diplomatically, petitioning their divine
benefactor for a different diet, they became hostile and confrontational;
angrily demanding tastier food.

In response to their insolence, and their ingratitude for His providence; Yhvh
sent a swarm of deadly poisonous vipers among them; which began striking
people; and every strike was 100% fatal, no exceptions.

After a number of people died, the rest came to their senses and begged
Moses to intercede. In reply; The Lord instructed Moses to fashion an image
of the vipers and hoist it up on a pole in plain view so that everyone dying
from venom could look to the image for relief.

The key issue here is that the image was the only God-given remedy for the
people's bites-- not sacrifices and offerings, not tithing, not church
attendance, not scapulars, not confession, not holy days of obligation, not
the Sabbath, not the golden rule, not charity, not Bible study and/or Sunday
school, not self denial, not vows of poverty, not the Ten Commandments,
not one's religion of choice, no; not even prayers. The image was it; nothing
else would suffice to save their lives.

In other words then: Christ's crucifixion for the sins of the world is the only
God-given rescue from the wrath of God; and when people accept it, then
according to John 3:14-17 and John 5:24, they qualify for a transfer from
death into life. Those who reject his crucifixion for the sins of the worlds as
the only God-given rescue from the sum of all fears are already on the
docket to face it.

John 3:18 . .Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does
not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the
name of God's one and only Son.

His son's "name" in this case is relative to the fiery serpent incident.

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Eternal Life

Eternal life is often mistaken for immortality. The two are not the same.

Immortality is a material kind of life that has to do with a superhuman body
impervious to age, death, and putrefaction.

Eternal life, on the other hand, isn't a material kind of life; it's a spirit kind of
life; which is why it's possible for people to obtain eternal life prior to
obtaining immortality.

For example: Christ had eternal life when he was here (John 5:26, 1John
1:1-2) but according to Rom 6:9 and Rev 1:18, he didn't obtain immortality
till he rose from the dead.

Likewise Christ's believing followers have eternal life while they're here
(John 5:24) but according to Rom 8:23-25 and 1Cor 15:51-53, they won't
obtain immortality until their resurrections.

So then; I think we can safely conclude (in a nutshell) that immortality is
something that can be seen, while eternal life is something that cannot be
seen.

The properties of eternal life are a little easier to understand when
juxtaposed with creature life.

Human life was created.

Eternal life wasn't created.

There's a large variety of created life.

There is only one eternal life.

Human life's primary characteristic is human nature; roughly defined as the
fundamental dispositions and traits of the human being.

Eternal life's primary characteristic is divine nature, roughly defined as the
fundamental dispositions and traits of the supreme being.


FYI: When people in possession of eternal life pass away, they are fully
prepared to go straight to heaven because God has devised a way to strip
them of their human nature and leave them with only the fundamental
dispositions and traits of the supreme being. That's quite an advantage, and
emphasizes the importance of obtaining eternal life now, today, while it's
available.

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Eternal Life

Eternal life is often mistaken for immortality. The two are not the same.

Immortality is a material kind of life that has to do with a superhuman body
impervious to age, death, and putrefaction.

Eternal life, on the other hand, isn't a material kind of life; it's a spirit kind of
life; which is why it's possible for people to obtain eternal life prior to
obtaining immortality.

For example: Christ had eternal life when he was here (John 5:26, 1John
1:1-2) but according to Rom 6:9 and Rev 1:18, he didn't obtain immortality
till he rose from the dead.

Likewise Christ's believing followers have eternal life while they're here
(John 5:24) but according to Rom 8:23-25 and 1Cor 15:51-53, they won't
obtain immortality until their resurrections.

So then; I think we can safely conclude (in a nutshell) that immortality is
something that can be seen, while eternal life is something that cannot be
seen.

The properties of eternal life are a little easier to understand when
juxtaposed with creature life.

Human life was created.

Eternal life wasn't created.

There's a large variety of created life.

There is only one eternal life.

Human life's primary characteristic is human nature; roughly defined as the
fundamental dispositions and traits of the human being.

Eternal life's primary characteristic is divine nature, roughly defined as the
fundamental dispositions and traits of the supreme being.


FYI: When people in possession of eternal life pass away, they are fully
prepared to go straight to heaven because God has devised a way to strip
them of their human nature and leave them with only the fundamental
dispositions and traits of the supreme being. That's quite an advantage, and
emphasizes the importance of obtaining eternal life now, today, while it's
available.

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Don't you believe it's correct to say that immortality begins after death?
.....instead of at the resurrection......
 
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Don't you believe it's correct to say that immortality begins after death? .....instead of at the resurrection......

Christ's followers are on track to obtain immortality all at the same time rather than one
at a time. (1Cor 15:51-54, (1Thess 4:14-17)

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When To Obtain Eternal Life

In the passages below, note the grammatical tense of the "have" verbs.
They're in the present tense; not future, indicating that believers have
eternal life right now-- no delay, and no waiting period.

John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life

John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and trust in God
who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins,
but they have already passed from Death into Life.

1John 5:13 . . I write these things to you who believe in the name of the
Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

According to those passages, people lacking eternal life, are lacking it
because 1) they are unbelievers, 2) they are not paying attention to Christ's
message, and 3) they don't trust God.

The possession of eternal life is very crucial because according to God's
testimony, as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to Christianity;
people lacking eternal life do not have God's son. In other words: they are
currently quite christless.

1John 5:11-12 . . This is what God has testified: He has given us eternal
life, and this life is in His son. So whoever has God's son has this life; and
whosoever does not have this life, does not have His son.

People that argue with God's testimony, are insinuating that He not only
doesn't know what He's talking about, but also that God is a dishonest
person of marginal integrity who can't be trusted to tell the truth.

1John 5:10 . .Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar by not
believing the testimony God has given about His son.

When people do that-- when they question God's intelligence and insinuate
that He's dishonest --they imply that He belongs in hell because according to
Rev 21:8, hell is where all liars are destined.

Anyway; I should think it goes without saying that christless people are in
grave danger of the sum of all fears.

Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.

We can be sure that there are millions of christless people throughout the
world; but are there any christless Christians? Well; for starters: Roman
Catholicism-- known everywhere as the largest single denomination in the
world --currently consists of approximately 1.2 billion followers who all, to a
man, including the Pope, insist that nobody obtains eternal life till sometime
after they die and cross over to the other side.

Well; that can mean but one thing, and one thing only: seeing as how those
1.2 billion souls are currently lacking eternal life, then according to God's
expert testimony they are currently living without Christ, and they will pass
on without Christ; you can safely apply that rule to any, and all,
denominations, religions, and/or spiritual ideologies insisting that eternal life
cannot be obtained prior to one's demise.

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Christ's Recovery

There lacks a universal consensus regarding the nature of Christ's
resurrection. Some say his crucified body came back to life. Some say that
his crucified body was exchanged for a glorified body. Still others say that
Christ's crucified body not only didn't recover, but he came back with a spirit
body; and his post resurrection physical appearances were done as an angel
disguised in a fully-functioning human avatar.

It's evident that Christ has a glorified body at present (Phil 3:20-21) but I
really don't think such was the case out at the cemetery.

John 2:19-22 . . Jesus answered them: Destroy this temple, and I will
raise it again in three days. The Jews replied: It has taken forty-six years to
build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days? But the temple
he had spoken of was his body. After he was raised from the dead, his
disciples recalled what he had said.

Had not Christ's crucified body revived, then his prediction would be easily
proven false because the temple he spoke of was "this temple" viz: the body
he was standing in as he spoke with the Jews.

Q: If Christ didn't come back from death with the glorified body spoken of in
Phil 3:20-21, then how and when did he obtain it?

A: The dead bodies of all Christ's believing followers are on track to be
revived and taken up to meet The Lord in the air (1Thes 4:14-17). On the
way up, the bodies will undergo a sudden, miraculous transformation (1Cor
15:51-53). I think it's pretty safe to assume that Christ's body underwent
the very same process while on the way up to heaven as per Acts 1:9 so
that today his body is no longer a normal human body; but instead a
superhuman body to which all his believing followers' bodies will one day
conform.

Q: What about the fact that he was able to pass through a locked door?
(John 20:19, John 20:26). Surely only a spirit could do such a thing.

A: The koiné Greek word translated "shut" in those passages doesn't
necessarily indicate a bolted door; merely a door that's closed as opposed to
a door that's ajar or wide open. But I think it might be okay to accommodate
those convinced in their own minds that the boor was bolted.

Well; Jesus Christ was virgin-conceived, walked on water, calmed storms,
restored withered limbs, put the lame up on their feet, healed blindness and
leprosy, multiplied loaves and fishes, converted water into wine, instantly
reattached a severed ear, restored the dead to life, withered a fig tree,
levitated into the sky, etc. Come on now; what's one more miracle more or
less for a man like that?


FYI: An interesting incident is recorded at Luke 4:28-30. A variety of
opinions have been offered to explain how Jesus escaped the hands of a
hostile crowd that day. I leave it to readers to decide for themselves what is
meant by "passing through the midst of them, he went His way."


NOTE: Paul mentions in 1Cor 15:1-4 that Christ was raised from the dead
according to the scriptures; there's at least two. One is the story of Jonah;
which Christ appropriated as a "sign" of his own resurrection. (Jonah 1:17,
Matt 12:40). Another is in the book of Psalms at 16:8-10 (cf. Acts 2:22-36)

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