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  1. Niyoe'es:ah

    Niyoe'es:ah Member

    Nov 17, 2017
    How The Critters Got To Noah

    Gen 6:3 . . And Yhvh said: My Spirit shall not strive with man forever. Yet
    his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.

    Some feel that God set the limits of human longevity in that verse. But
    people still continued to live long lives for a great number of years
    afterwards. Even Abraham, who lived many, many years after the Flood,
    didn't die till he was 175 years old. No; it's far more reasonable to conclude
    that God was announcing a deadline; viz: the antediluvians had 120 years
    left to get ready to meet their maker.

    Fortunately Noah didn't have to go on safari to round up his passengers.
    God said two of each "shall come to you" (cf. Gen 7:9, Gen 7:15) which
    implies of course that species who failed to come got left behind and went
    extinct in the Flood.

    A man named Dave Kunst walked across today's world in just a little over 4
    years from June 1970 to October 1974. Kunst walked a total of 14,450
    miles, crossing four continents and thirteen countries, wearing out 21 pair of
    shoes, and walking more than 20 million steps. That was an odd thing to do,
    but does prove it can be done in a relatively short time; so 120 years was
    plenty enough for all the critters to make it on over to Noah's place in time
    for the Folly's maiden voyage.

    But how did they cross oceans? In the past that was doubtless a thorny
    theological problem. But with today's knowledge of the geological science of
    plate tectonics, the answer is as simple as two plus two. Scientists now know
    that continental land masses can be shifted, and in point of fact the dry
    parts brought so close together as to form one single super continent.

    Scientists also know about subduction and magma hot spots and pressure
    points that can raise and lower the earth's crust like a service elevator; for
    example according to Gen 14:3, the area now known as the Dead Sea was
    once known as the Vale of Siddim. Sometime in the distant past the earth's
    crust rose in that region, blocking the Jordan River's natural drainage into
    the gulf of Aqaba; thus trapping it's waters in a huge basin from which they
    cannot escape.

    Subduction causes the earth to wrinkle, bulge, and form mountain ranges
    and hill country; and also makes possible land bridges which would expedite
    migrations from all over the world over to Noah's diggings. (cf. Ps 104:5-9)

    Geological processes normally take thousands of years to accomplish, but
    those processes can be sped up considerably by the cosmos' creator, who
    has absolute control over everything-- not just the earth's geological
    processes; but all the rest of nature's processes too.

    The Fate Of Noah's Ark

    Gen 8:3b . . At the end of one hundred and fifty days the waters
    diminished, so that in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the
    month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

    The precise topographic location, where the ark went aground, was not
    really up on a specific mountain by the name of Ararat nor up on any other
    mountain for that matter. The Hebrew word for "mountains" in Gen 8:4 is
    haareey which is the plural of har (har). It doesn't always mean prominent
    land masses like Everest or McKinley; especially when it's plural. Har can
    also mean a range of mountains like the Pyrenees bordering Spain and
    France and/or a range of hills or highlands; like the region of Israel where
    Mary's cousin Elizabeth lived. (Luke 1:39-40)

    In California, where I lived as a kid, the local elevation 35 miles east of San
    Diego, in the town of Alpine, was about 2,000 feet above sea level. There
    were plenty of meadows with pasture and good soil. In fact much of it was
    very good ranchland and quite a few people in that area raised horses and
    cows. We ourselves kept about five hundred chickens, and a few goats and
    calves. We lived in the mountains of San Diego; but we didn't live up on top
    of one of its mountains like Viejas, Lyon's, or Cuyamaca.

    Another inhabited region in the continental U.S. that's elevated is the area of
    Denver Colorado; which is located on the western edge of the Great Plains
    near the Front Range of the Rocky Mountains. Denver is a whole mile above
    sea level-- 5,280 feet. However, Denver, even though so high above sea
    level, isn't located on the tippy top of a mountain, nor even on the side of
    one; it's just located up on high ground.

    The ark contained the only surviving souls of man and animal on the entire
    planet. Does it really make good sense to strand them up on a mountain
    peak where they might risk death and injury descending it?

    When my wife and I visited the San Diego zoo together back in the early
    1980's, we noticed that the Giraffes' area had no fence around it. The tour
    guide told us the Giraffes' enclosure doesn't need a fence because their area
    is up on a plateau 3 feet high. The Giraffes don't try to escape because
    they're afraid of heights. There's just no way Giraffes could've climbed down
    off of Turkey's Mount Ararat. It's way too steep and rugged. Those poor
    timid creatures would've been stranded up there and died; and so would
    hippos, elephants, and flightless birds.

    The Hebrew word for "Ararat" is from 'Ararat (ar-aw-rat') which appears
    three more times in the Bible: one at 2Kgs 19:36-37, one at Isa 37:36-38,
    and one at Jer 51:27. Ararat is always the country of Armenia: never a
    specific peak by the same name.

    So; where is the ark now? Well; according to the dimensions given at Gen
    6:15, the ark was shaped like what the whiz kids call a right rectangular
    prism; which is nothing in the world but the shape of a common shoe box.
    So most of the lumber and/or logs used in its construction would've been
    nice and straight; which is perfect for putting together cabins, sheds, fences,
    barns, corrals, stables, gates, hog troughs, mangers, and outhouses.

    I think it's very safe to assume Noah and his kin gradually dismantled the
    ark over time and used the wood for many other purposes, including fires.
    Nobody cooked or heated their homes or their bath and laundry water using
    refined fossil fuels and/or electricity and steam in those days, so everybody
    needed to keep on hand a pretty fair-sized wood pile for their daily needs.
    There was probably plenty of driftwood left behind by the Flood, but most of
    that would be water-soaked at first. But according to Gen 6:14 the ark's
    lumber was treated. So underneath the pitch it was still in pretty good shape
    and should have been preserved for many years to come.

  2. Niyoe'es:ah

    Niyoe'es:ah Member

    Nov 17, 2017
    The Meaning Of "Under The Law"

    Rom 6:14 . . Sin is not to have any power over you, since you are not
    under the law but under grace.

    The apostle Paul was a well-trained Jew (Acts 22:3, Php 3:5). He and his
    fellow Pharisees generally understood the law as that of Moses', a.k.a. the
    covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus,
    Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

    The important thing to note about the covenant is that it's a legally binding
    contract. So then the term "under the law" refers to contractual obligations.

    Seeing as how Christ's followers are not contracted with God to comply with
    the Jews' covenant, then neither is God contractually obligated to penalize
    Christ's followers for breaching it.

    God has to lower the boom on Yhvh's people with any and/or all of the
    curses listed at Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69 for
    breaching the covenant, but He doesn't have to lower the boom on Christ's
    followers with those curses because He isn't contracted with them to do so.
    This is a very important aspect of Christianity.

    In a nutshell: where there is no contract, there is no contract to breach; and
    where there is no law, there is no law to break; and where there is no law to
    break, there are no indictments. (Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13)

    This principle applies in a really big way to people who have undergone the
    baptism described at Rom 6:3-11 because it essentially means that they
    cannot be sent to hell for breaking the Ten Commandments, or any of the
    other covenanted commandments for that matter.

    Luke 2:8-11 . . And in the same region there were some shepherds staying
    out in the fields, and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel
    of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone
    around them; and they were terribly frightened.

    . . . And the angel said to them: Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you
    good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people; for today in the
    city of David there has been born for you a savior, who is Christ the Lord.

    Well; I have to say that if people's path to heaven incorporates compliance
    with the Ten Commandments, then their religion contains no good news at
    all, nor do they have any reason to be joyful; rather, they have plenty of
    cause for anxiety.

    Gal 3:10 . . All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is
    written: Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written
    in the book of the law. (cf. Deut 27;26)

  3. reba

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    Dec 23, 2010
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