Common Usage?

[rstrats]

th 1b.taylor,
re: "What scriptures are you trying to mske your case with?"

I didn't realize I was trying to make a case. Also, there is only 1 mentioned scripture that is relevant to this particular topic - Matthew 12:40.

I would simply like someone who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week and who tries to account for the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, to provide actual examples to support the idea of commonality.

 

[stovebolts]

Razeontheroc,
re: " I'm still not sure anyone even understands what it is you're asking for."

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some of those mentioned above

6. I wonder if anyone from above might provide examples to support that belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime and/or no part of the night time could have occurred?

Razeontheroc,
re: " I'm still not sure anyone even understands what it is you're asking for."

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

6. I wonder if anyone from above might provide examples to support that belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime and/or no part of the night time could have occurred?

Matthew 27 45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani?”(which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). NIV


Psalm 104:19-20 You made the moon to mark the seasons, and the sun knows when to set. You send the darkness, and it becomes night,...

There is a connection between darkness and night time. This third night could be accounted for in Matthew's account posted above.

Something to consider in light of everything else that has been said for a 6th day crucifixion.

 

[th1b.taylor]

th 1b.taylor,
re: "What scriptures are you trying to mske your case with?"

I didn't realize I was trying to make a case. Also, there is only 1 mentioned scripture that is relevant to this particular topic - Matthew 12:40.

I would simply like someone who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week and who tries to account for the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, to provide actual examples to support the idea of commonality.

Luke 24, John 20:1

 

[rstrats]

StoveBolts,
re: "This third night could be accounted for in Matthew's account posted above."


That would be an issue for a different topic.

 

[rstrats]

th1b.taylor,
re: "Luke 24, John 20:1"


What point are you making with those scriptures?

 

[stovebolts]

StoveBolts,
re: "This third night could be accounted for in Matthew's account posted above."


That would be an issue for a different topic.

How so? And what kind of topic would it be?

 

[rstrats]

StoveBolts,
re: "How so?

Because this topic is not about the different possibilities to explain the lack of a third night time in the tomb.



re: "And what kind of topic would it be?"

It might be a topic offering different possibilities to explain the lack of a third night time in the tomb which would be the case with a 6th day of the week burial/1st day of the week resurrection.

 

[th1b.taylor]

th1b.taylor,
re: "Luke 24, John 20:1"


What point are you making with those scriptures?

You asked for the address' that I based my understanding on and it is those.

 

[th1b.taylor]

StoveBolts,
re: "How so?

Because this topic is not about the different possibilities to explain the lack of a third night time in the tomb.



re: "And what kind of topic would it be?"

It might be a topic offering different possibilities to explain the lack of a third night time in the tomb which would be the case with a 6th day of the week burial/1st day of the week resurrection.

But, in spite of the likelihood of Yashuah being in the Tomb for 51 or 52 hours, I believe, using Jewish customs for counting days with Yashua giving up the Ghost before Friday was complete that counts for a night and a day. Then the Shabat is a ful 24 hours and, according to custom, He was in the tomb all of Sunday Night and out of the Tomb on Sunday Morning and that will make all of Sunday.

And then there is the truth that Christians, much closer to the Death and the resurrection began the Holiday and they used the Jewish Calender, causing it to bounce around on the Julian Calender from March to April.

And what is the concern anyway, Christmas Day is, certainly, not the day Yashuah was born but it is when Christians remember and celebrate His coming, as, really, is the case with His death and resurrection, And we are called to live by faith (Rom 1:17, Gal 3:11 & Heb 10:38) and when one reads the Hebrews passage they should really pay attention to it.

 

[stovebolts]

.

StoveBolts,
re: "How so?

Because this topic is not about the different possibilities to explain the lack of a third night time in the tomb.



re: "And what kind of topic would it be?"

It might be a topic offering different possibilities to explain the lack of a third night time in the tomb which would be the case with a 6th day of the week burial/1st day of the week resurrection.

I understand. Will you only accept a night where it is part of a 24 hour day?
What I am throwing out on the table is the idea that darkness and night are associated. Thus when Jesus was on the cross and darkness came, it would be associated with night, fulfilling the sign of Jonah.

As has been previously brought up, Jesus often spoke in a way that caused one to pause, and rethink the way we view the world around us. I was once of the mindset Jesus was crucified on Thursday until I read the Apostolic Fathers. That is, those who were taught directly by the Apostles.

That's about the best I have. Take care and God bless.

 

[rstrats]

th1b.taylor,
re: "You asked for the address' that I based my understanding on and it is those [i.e., Luke 24 and John 20:1]"

That would be incorrect. I asked for examples which show that a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. Your 2 "address'" don't do that. But if you still think that they do, I wonder if you could explain how?

 

[rstrats]

th1b.taylor,
re: "And what is the concern anyway..."

OK, let me repeat one more time:

The concern of this topic is with regard to one issue and one issue only.

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth"

2. There are those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. A 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some of those mentioned above say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I simply wonder if anyone from the above category might provide examples to support that belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of the daytime and/or no part of the night time could have occurred?

 

[rstrats]

StoveBolts,
re: "I understand."
It appears that you don't. Please see my reply to th1b.taylor in post #72.

BTW, you asked "Will you only accept a night where it is part of a 24 hour day?"

I don't understand. When is there ever a night when it isn't a part of a 24 hour day?

 

[th1b.taylor]

th1b.taylor,
re: "You asked for the address' that I based my understanding on and it is those [i.e., Luke 24 and John 20:1]"

That would be incorrect. I asked for examples which show that a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. Your 2 "address'" don't do that. But if you still think that they do, I wonder if you could explain how?

I owe you an apology because I misread your post but the link to Answers in Genesis expresses my answer without all of the typing. And I am sorry I misread you.
https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/resurrection/three-days-and-nights/

 

[stovebolts]

I owe you an apology because I misread your post but the link to Answers in Genesis expresses my answer without all of the typing. And I am sorry I misread you.
https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/resurrection/three-days-and-nights/

That's a great source Taylor. Thanks for sharing.

 

[stovebolts]

I owe you an apology because I misread your post but the link to Answers in Genesis expresses my answer without all of the typing. And I am sorry I misread you.
https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/resurrection/three-days-and-nights/

https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...Why-do-Jewish-holidays-begin-at-nightfall.htm

The above link adds to the link you also posted as it not only shows the biblical reason why their day starts in the evening, but it also touches the surface of the deeper implications of darkness and light. One doesnt have to look much past John 1 to understand how they saw light and darkness.

 

[Razeontherock]

I owe you an apology because I misread your post but the link to Answers in Genesis expresses my answer without all of the typing. And I am sorry I misread you.
https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/resurrection/three-days-and-nights/

Yup this is it. It addresses the OP as directly as possible. Guessing at a 5 PM death on good Friday just as an example, 5 PM on the Sabbath (Saturday) is 24 hours. 5 AM Easter morning is then 36 hours. We can expect Jesus' body remained dead a bit longer than that, but certainly less than 40 hours.

Great examples of this in Scripture! I love the book of Esther, but never saw the connection there. (Which I also think speaks to Jesus facing the evil king of death before His Resurrection, which would most likely take place in hell, right?)

 

[rstrats]

Razeontheroc,
re: "Yup this is it. It addresses the OP as directly as possible."


Actually, it doesn't. It doesn't provide any examples which show where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.

 

[Razeontherock]

Razeontheroc,
re: "Yup this is it. It addresses the OP as directly as possible."


Actually, it doesn't. It doesn't provide any examples which show where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.

Yes it does. Clearly, and in Scripture which is as Jewish as it gets. Read the link.

 

[rstrats]

Razeontheroc,
re: "Yes it does."

You saying it doesn't automatically make it so. Please support your assertion with a quote from the link which shows where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.