[_ Old Earth _] Continental split? Peleg's english name?

[Georges]

Gen 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one [was] Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name [was] Joktan.

I found it very interesting that God uses this obscure verse to mention that the earth was split in the time of Eber's son Peleg (which means division).

This explains a lot about indigenous people and animals to separate continents.

Theory goes something like this.....

1. God creates land. A super land mass. One continent.
2. God decides to destroy the land and inhabitants with a flood.
3. Noah builds the Ark
4. The Animal come to the Ark....easy to do with one land mass.
5. Flood comes and destroys the land....easy to do, no high mountains (so to speak)
6. Water level goes down. Ark lands.
7. Noah and family leave the ark...
8. Animals take off in different directions....Still one land mass.
9. Noah's descendents begin to spread out over the land mass.
10. The earth is split during the days of Peleg, trapping people and animals in the land (super continent) that they had traveled to. I.E. Aborigines and animals on Australia were stuck there after the land division.


This one little obscure verse makes the above scenario very possible....

comments.?

 

[jwu]

The bible however does not state anything about rising mountains. Furthermore, that kind of extreme geological activity (both mountains rising and plate movement)would leave evidence...and the energy released in this process would have disastrous effects.

Of course, other falsifications of the noachian flood are unaffected by this.

 

[Khristeeanos]

You need to check out the Kent Hovind seminar series. It sort of goes over this a bit.

He even says that Joktan means "shorten" as in the lives of people will shorten due to the different environment.

 

[reznwerks]

kent

You need to check out the Kent Hovind seminar series. It sort of goes over this a bit.

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You need to find out the truth about Kent Hovind.
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent ... llenge.htm

 

[Georges]

You need to check out the Kent Hovind seminar series. It sort of goes over this a bit.

He even says that Joktan means "shorten" as in the lives of people will shorten due to the different environment.

Kinda funny, I present a situation that easily explains the dynamic simply. and a situation that God can easily do and it's laughed at as impossible.

Just humorous.....

 

[Frost Giant]

Funny how there's no evidence to support that though. Oh well, praise jebus!

 

[cubedbee]

Gen 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one [was] Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name [was] Joktan.

I found it very interesting that God uses this obscure verse to mention that the earth was split in the time of Eber's son Peleg (which means division).

This explains a lot about indigenous people and animals to separate continents.

Theory goes something like this.....

1. God creates land. A super land mass. One continent.
2. God decides to destroy the land and inhabitants with a flood.
3. Noah builds the Ark
4. The Animal come to the Ark....easy to do with one land mass.
5. Flood comes and destroys the land....easy to do, no high mountains (so to speak)
6. Water level goes down. Ark lands.
7. Noah and family leave the ark...
8. Animals take off in different directions....Still one land mass.
9. Noah's descendents begin to spread out over the land mass.
10. The earth is split during the days of Peleg, trapping people and animals in the land (super continent) that they had traveled to. I.E. Aborigines and animals on Australia were stuck there after the land division.


This one little obscure verse makes the above scenario very possible....

comments.?

11. God obscured all evidence of steps 1-10 and replaces it with evidence to make it appear as if the Earth formed over billions of years by very different processes, so that men at a later time would be deceived into believing evolution.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

This one little obscure verse makes the above scenario very possible

One little verse and an awful lot of conjecture. For a text that many claim can only be taken literally, your conclusions require a lot of imaginative interpretation.

 

[ÃÂoppleganger]

 

[Wertbag]

There are a few problems with the theory proposed:
Firstly if all animals lived on one super continent then we should find the fossils of every lifeform in every country. We do not. Long periods of time and long periods of seperation match the fossil record. We do not see a random jumble of fossils which a flood would cause, we see chronologically ordered fossils which match the evolutionary claims perfectly.

Second the speed of continental plate movements is based on natural science. A slab of rock the size we are talking about doesn't just up and race away. The speeds are 1-1.5 inches a year over millions of years to reach the current locations. If you accelerate the plate movements into just 4000 years you would be talking about 1-1.5 meters a year! The devastation caused by inches is seen in earthquakes, tsunami, and volcanoes, can you imagine increasing the destructive force by 20-30 times?

"The Animals come to the Ark....easy to do with one land mass."
No its not. Collecting millions of species (or even tens of thousands if you believe the super creature with ultra fast evolution theory that some christians propose) is a job considered impossible with modern technology and a huge team, let alot for a bronze age man and his family of 8.
It still doesn't explain how they got there, how they were housed, how they were feed, how the different creatures environments (artic to desert) were recreated or how carnivores were catered for.

"Animals take off in different directions....Still one land mass."
The unique animals we find in the world (especially special eco-systems as Australia) had to travel thousands of miles to end up on that particular area, leaving no fossil evidence during this journey, surviving on food that wasn't there (no plants or animals as the world was just washed clean), through environments they can't survive in (penguins in the middle east?), and then survive the plate movements strong enough to tear the super continent into individual pieces. Sorry but life on earth could not survive such an event.

"Noah's descendents begin to spread out over the land mass. "
8 people repopulate the world, including every variation of mankind we see, by inbreeding for generation after generation... It is often said inbreeding leads to mental disorders, infertility and eventually a population that will die out. This would have wiped out mankind at Adam and Eve, but isn't any better for Noahs family.

And we haven't even touched on the numerous reasons that the flood and Ark are impossible.

 

[dad]

Gen 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one [was] Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name [was] Joktan.

I found it very interesting that God uses this obscure verse to mention that the earth was split in the time of Eber's son Peleg (which means division).

Me too.


[quote:23bca]This explains a lot about indigenous people and animals to separate continents.

Theory goes something like this.....

1. God creates land. A super land mass. One continent.
2. God decides to destroy the land and inhabitants with a flood.
3. Noah builds the Ark
4. The Animal come to the Ark....easy to do with one land mass.
5. Flood comes and destroys the land....easy to do, no high mountains (so to speak)
6. Water level goes down. Ark lands.
7. Noah and family leave the ark...
8. Animals take off in different directions....Still one land mass.
9. Noah's descendents begin to spread out over the land mass.
10. The earth is split during the days of Peleg, trapping people and animals in the land (super continent) that they had traveled to. I.E. Aborigines and animals on Australia were stuck there after the land division.


This one little obscure verse makes the above scenario very possible....

[/quote:23bca]
In itself, there still are problems, such as the heat that would have been generated by the continental seperation in a hurry. My solution has been to assume the world before that time was very different than the present one. This has a lot of biblical support.

 

[dad]

There are a few problems with the theory proposed:
Firstly if all animals lived on one super continent then we should find the fossils of every lifeform in every country. We do not.

This problem also is solved by assuming the world was very different then! Hyper evolution was possible.


[quote:00180]Second the speed of continental plate movements is based on natural science.

No one questioned the present rate of movement, simply suggested a different one in the past.

! The devastation caused by inches is seen in earthquakes, tsunami, and volcanoes, can you imagine increasing the destructive force by 20-30 times?

Under present conditions, yes, of course. Those conditions did not exist.

Collecting millions of species (or even tens of thousands if you believe the super creature with ultra fast evolution theory that some christians propose) is a job considered impossible with modern technology and a huge team, let alot for a bronze age man and his family of 8.

Fortunately modern science was not what was used, that would have been too cavemanish for the job!

The unique animals we find in the world (especially special eco-systems as Australia) had to travel thousands of miles to end up on that particular area, leaving no fossil evidence during this journey, surviving on food that wasn't there (no plants or animals as the world was just washed clean),

With hyper evolution, the ones that started months earlier, arriving, may have been hardly recognizable. As for food, a piece of cake. Trees and plants grew in days, rather than months and years!

and then survive the plate movements strong enough to tear the super continent into individual pieces

Then, all we seem to have gotten in heat was the hot spots we now see, and heat under the earth, old volcanoes, etc. Very different world.

8 people repopulate the world, including every variation of mankind we see, by inbreeding for generation after generation...

Yes, then it was OK, now it is not. Very different world. Same with Adam and Eve.

And we haven't even touched on the numerous reasons that the flood and Ark are impossible.

[/quote:00180] Spare yourself the effort.

 

[cubedbee]

My solution has been to assume the world before that time was very different than the present one.

Wow, what a great rationalization. Reminds me a lot of a video of a paranoid schizophreniac I saw in psycology class. He was convinced the government was actively persecuting him in his daily life through all the people he interacted with--when confronted with reasons that this was impossible, he simply made the assumption that anyone (the pychologist) giving him contradictory evidence was themselves working for the government and thus lying to him. You both came up with a perfect 'solution'--anything at all is possible, all you have to do is cite your 'solution'

This has a lot of biblical support.

No, actually it has absolutely zero.

 

[Wertbag]

This problem also is solved by assuming the world was very different then! Hyper evolution was possible.

The problem is solved by assuming a different planet, or by adding many additional miracles without biblical support. The idea of hyper evolution does not make any logical sense. We aren't talking ancient history but only a few thousand years ago.

Under present conditions, yes, of course. Those conditions did not exist.

Which conditions did not exist? That the plates touch each other causing pressure between them? That magma is pressured up from below? That earthquakes can cause tsunamis?
If you increase the forces being released you increase the natural disasters related to those forces.

Fortunately modern science was not what was used, that would have been too cavemanish for the job!

Bronze age man had no trucks, no cranes, no advanced tools, no metal cages, no refrigeration, no air conditioning, no modern storage techniques. The only way around the impossibility of the task is to start adding additional miracles that are not biblically supported.

As for food, a piece of cake. Trees and plants grew in days, rather than months and years!

Ridiculous, again you either add more miracles that aren't in the bible, or the whole super growth idea goes out the window.

Basically you are saying as long as the entire planet was different, if all life forms were different, if genetics worked differently, if the laws of physics were suspended, if things could grow incredibly fast, if evolution could be sped up for a short time then slowed back to normal, and toss a handful more unlisted miracles into the mix then suddenly it all works perfectly!

Yes, then it was OK, now it is not. Very different world. Same with Adam and Eve.

Inbreeding is never OK. Genetically you need a large enough population so that diversity can occur. You require at least 20 of any creature to have enough diversity to keep the population going. Less than this and the creature is considered beyond hope.
Adam and Eve could have had perfect dna, but they were still meant to be human, and the same problems would apply to them.

Spare yourself the effort.

Oh I certainly didn't worry about the numerous ways the story doesn't make sense. I've already have looked into Noah's flood and YEC in depth and found the myths so full of holes as to be completely unbelieveable.

 

[dad]

Wow, what a great rationalization.

Thank you.

Reminds me a lot of a video of a paranoid schizophreniac I saw in psycology class.

Is it true there is more mental illness among psychology dudes and dudess' -than in the general population?

" This has a lot of biblical support."
No, actually it has absolutely zero.

Actually it has a LOT. Nothing you can say about that one.

 

[dad]

The problem is solved by assuming a different planet, or by adding many additional miracles without biblical support. The idea of hyper evolution does not make any logical sense. We aren't talking ancient history but only a few thousand years ago.

Right, in a time that spirits married our women, and had children, and trees grew in days! About a century after the flood was when this change came, leaving us in our present state.

Which conditions did not exist? That the plates touch each other causing pressure between them? That magma is pressured up from below? That earthquakes can cause tsunamis?

The conditions of a physical only universe, and world. It was also spiritual then, which is why it was so different!

If you increase the forces being released you increase the natural disasters related to those forces.

Only in the physical only present, not then.

Bronze age man had no trucks, no cranes, no advanced tools, no metal cages, no refrigeration, no air conditioning, no modern storage techniques. The only way around the impossibility of the task is to start adding additional miracles that are not biblically supported.

What are we talking here exactly? Moving animals? Only time that happened was in the ark. Add some hibernation, and plants that grew in days, and they ate like kings.

Ridiculous, again you either add more miracles that aren't in the bible, or the whole super growth idea goes out the window.

No, the whole universe was different, even the light. This is why cosmo dates are totally wrong as well! Fast plant growth, possibly spurred by that different light was normal, no miracle.

Basically you are saying as long as the entire planet was different, if all life forms were different, if genetics worked differently, if the laws of physics were suspended, if things could grow incredibly fast, if evolution could be sped up for a short time then slowed back to normal, and toss a handful more unlisted miracles into the mix then suddenly it all works perfectly!

Kind of. But the whole universe! The laws of physics only came to be as we were left in a physical only universe. Before that, it was a merged one, where the spiritual laws were a part of the equation!

Inbreeding is never OK. Genetically you need a large enough population so that diversity can occur. You require at least 20 of any creature to have enough diversity to keep the population going. Less than this and the creature is considered beyond hope.
Adam and Eve could have had perfect dna, but they were still meant to be human, and the same problems would apply to them.

No, we need that now, not then. Then, it was part of the design. Also, remember they lived near a thousand years even after the fall! Very different indeed.

Oh I certainly didn't worry about the numerous ways the story doesn't make sense. I've already have looked into Noah's flood and YEC in depth and found the myths so full of holes as to be completely unbelieveable.

Good news, it is real, there were just some old age beliefs and assumptions that were wrong.

 

[Frost Giant]

Do you have any proof of a "spiritual" universe? No? Then go away. And don't try shifting the burden, it doesn't work.

 

[Solo]

Do you have any proof of a "spiritual" universe? No? Then go away. And don't try shifting the burden, it doesn't work.

This is a Christian forum and according to our faith there is a spiritual realm of which unbelievers can not see; therefore the spiritual universe can be spoken of. Do not tell another member to go away. If you have a problem discussing the Christian belief system because it doesn't match up with your secular beliefs, then you may be better off going away from this forum, and debating with those of like understanding on another forum like penny arcade or freespeech. Be careful of your discussions and do not make them personal. Stay on the subject and review the Terms of Service that you agreed to when you registered.
Thanks,
Solo

 

[cubedbee]

No, actually it has absolutely zero.

Actually it has a LOT. Nothing you can say about that one.[/quote]I can say with 100% certainty that there is no support for your crazy hyperevolution miracle story. The burden is on you, please provide the verse references if they exist.

 

[Frost Giant]

If you have a problem discussing the Christian belief system because it doesn't match up with your secular beliefs, then you may be better off going away from this forum, and debating with those of like understanding on another forum like penny arcade or freespeech.

I don't remember the Bible ever speaking of a spiritual universe of the kind dad talks about.