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Could Mecca Be Mystery Babylon?

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I didn't want to junk up the other thread and take it off-topic in the Son of Perdition thread, so decided to open another thread instead. There's a lot of info indicating that modern day Mecca could be the Mystery Babylon in scripture.
Acts 7:36-43 (Deuteronomy 4:19)
Baal is their god. Different countries had different names for Baal. Osiris/Isis, Assur/Istar, Bel/Belit, Mithra/Anahita, Helios/Atremis, Apollo/Diana, Baal/Asteroth. Moloch is also a pseudonym

In other passages, however, the god of the Ammonites is named Milcom, not Moloch (see 1 Kings 11.33; Zephaniah 1.5). The Septuagint reads Milcom in 1 Kings 11.7 instead of Moloch. Many English translations accordingly follow the non-Hebrew versions at this point and render Milcom. The form mlkm can also mean "their king" as well as Milcom, and therefore one cannot always be sure in some other passages whether the King of Ammon is intended or the god Milcom. It has also been suggested that the Ba‘al of Tyre, Melqart"king of the city" (who was probably the Ba‘al whose worship was furthered by Ahab and his house) was this supposed god Moloch and that Melqart/Moloch was also Milcom the god of the Ammonites and identical to other gods whose names contain mlk./ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

The Muslims worship a meteorite which they call the Kabba stone. (No joke!) It is housed in Mecca and all Muslims bow towards Mecca when they pray and worship this idol. Remember when Paul went to Ephesus to spread the Gospel and caused an uproar because the Gospel he preached would put the craftsman out of business and everyone was shouting great, great is Diana...? Same god. (Acts 19).

Their symbol is the Crescent/Star and can be traced all the way back to Nimrod, and is in fact the same symbol used on Islams flag. The golden calf which the Israelites made while Moses was up the mountain had the same symbol when viewed frontally with the crescent being formed by the bulls horns. Our God is a jealous God and will have none of Baal.

Revelation 17:15 explains that beast which sits on many waters is not talking about seas but rather peoples, multitudes of nations and languages. How many countries are Muslim? Islam is the single biggest false religion on earth. Once a year pilrimage to Mecca by Muslims is made for what they refer to as Hajj to worship the Kabba stone. This is an identical form of worship that they did to Nebucanezzers idol in biblical days. Those who would not were put to death, or in Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednegos case being put into the firey furnace, attempted death, lol. Times have changed though and now, Muslims preferred method of execution is beheading (and in Saudi). (Think end times executions for not worshiping the beast and his image here.)

Muslim prayer times are tied to the sun. What color it is, how long are the shadows, and if there is light left in the sky. Worshiping the Heavens instead of the creator. Muhammad said that one day the Kabba stone would speak. This could be the harlots idol. Muslims also use a 36 square "Magic Square" to protect them from the Gods. If you add up the numbers 1-36, it equals, you guessed it, 666.

Revelation 17 gives us all sorts of other clues. v.5 says she is the "Mother" of all harlots and abominations of the earth. How about that. Mecca is the birthplace of Islam, and all Islamic nations, and in fact (I am told) that Mecca itself translates to "Mother." / v.9 sits on seven hills...Mecca sits on seven hills./ v.3, it is in the desert. / v.6 ...drunk with the blood of saints...that's almost all Islam does is kill Christians./ v.2 and the kinds of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. What kind of wine does Saudi Arabia make? OIL.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/mystery-babylon-is-mecca-not-vatican/#8u80Ctkhlyy0w3kd.99


The article states this from the Bible and it answers the question. "No Arab will pitch his tent there, no shepherd will rest his flocks there” (Isaiah 13:20)? Arabs pitch tents in Arabia, not Rome. The ultimate fulfillment of this verse is the destruction of the last-days Babylon. We know this because the passage speaks about “the day of the Lord” (v. 9) with the “heavens not giving light” (v. 10). This is not historical, but end-times related.

Then we have the Red Sea: “The earth is moved at the noise of their fall, at the cry the noise thereof was heard in the Red Sea” (Jeremiah 49:21). Red Sea is a geographic indicator as to where the last-days Babylon will be located. Look at Mecca on any map and you will see that it sits near the Red Sea. Some may object that Jeremiah 49 is speaking about Edom, which was primarily located in modern-day Jordan. Yet in Ezekiel 25 “Edom” stretches from Teman (Yemen) to Dedan (Saudi Arabia)” (v. 13). Greater Edom included all of the west coast of the Arabian Peninsula.

Notice the description of her destruction: “‘As Sodom and Gomorrah were overthrown, along with their neighboring towns,’ says the LORD, ‘so no one will live there; no man will dwell in it’” (Jeremiah 49:18). "

https://maps.google.com/?q=30.20381355285645,35.73256683349609+(Teman)&t=h&z=8


SAudi Arabia extends north to encompass sourthern Edom and while I could find no source map, it is said that "greater Edom" extend much further south into Saudi Arabia and has scripture identifying this in Ezekial 25 as noted above. Yes, Mecca is a prime candidate for being Mystery Babylon.

I have other stuff on this, but this should keep you busy for awhile. I don't want to this too long or it may discourage readership.
 
Hi Edward. Regardless of scripture there is undoubtedly only speculation that will not prepare any for the tribulation to come. If we actually knew the name, time, and date of his arrival, would we be ready? I mean by providing a better hiding place, while supplying ourselves with an abundance of food; how long can one run?
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Mecca is not 'mystery' Babylon, although they do share characteristics. Who is the whore unfaithful to? God! The only way one can conclude Mecca is the whore would be to first assume she was betrothed to God. I don't think most Christians are willing to entertain that possibility.
 
Mecca is not 'mystery' Babylon, although they do share characteristics. Who is the whore unfaithful to? God! The only way one can conclude Mecca is the whore would be to first assume she was betrothed to God. I don't think most Christians are willing to entertain that possibility.

Well, Iran calls Saudi the Whore because they are not loyal to their Arab brothers and have said before they would take Saudi out, and threatened them. For selling oil to the western enemy (US).

I was reading just yesterday that Saudi Arabia and Israel (!) are considering an alliance to attack Iran together.

Who knows for sure brother? Just something else to ponder. It does make more sense than Rome or New York, but as Eugene noted, it actually affects us very little. If anything like that happens, it would only serve to show us the season.
 
Well, Iran calls Saudi the Whore because they are not loyal to their Arab brothers and have said before they would take Saudi out, and threatened them. For selling oil to the western enemy (US).

I was reading just yesterday that Saudi Arabia and Israel (!) are considering an alliance to attack Iran together.

Who knows for sure brother? Just something else to ponder. It does make more sense than Rome or New York, but as Eugene noted, it actually affects us very little. If anything like that happens, it would only serve to show us the season.

Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Must be somewhere where the Bridegroom once was and at least some of the Bride was there, too.
 
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Must be somewhere where the Bridegroom once was and at least some of the Bride was there, too.

I agree. But uh, even if Mecca is 99.9% Islam, surely even now His voice and through the Bride also (believers), Christ is being spoken there. For we do know, that God is not willing that any should perish. So up until that time...He's there. Mulims have been converting everyday somewhere. It's all over youtube in testimonials. Even the man in the first video posted was a hard core muslim who has now been converted to Christ.

Did you like the video? From Teman to Dedan, wasted. Maps and scriptures. Saudi Arabia. It's plausible, even if Papal Rome tries to rule the world from Jerusalem one day. That wouldn't mean Rome had to be Babylon also. Islam could have been conceived in Rome, yet birthed in Mecca.

Oh thanks for the link to the maps! That's a cool site. :)
 
Babylon consist of Four nations as being the Babylonian Empire:

(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon.


Medo – Persian Empire:

(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire.


Grecian Empire:

(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.


Roman Empire:

Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.
 
Hey fellow-laborer! I suspect that Mecca will have or has intimate ties to the infamous Babylon. But I think more probably Babylon will be in Iraq, where it was originally (I think southern-Iraq). I don't know all the detail behind these speculations but was wondering how we know that the Kaaba, which I know about, is the same as Diana, or the god whom Paul referred to in the passage you mention.

The "magic square" you speak of is new information and enigmatic.

I didn't follow everything you said, but you sound excited as when someone discovers and approaches or arrives at the end, or is in the midst of an enriching book or study.

It's all good. Remember, eschatology has enriching features. But the best parts of knowledge propagate Christian faith, hope and especially . . . we all know it! Love!
 
Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Must be somewhere where the Bridegroom once was and at least some of the Bride was there, too.
that wouldn't be Jerusalem wouldn't it? no, they didn't kill the prophets and saints.
 
I agree. But uh, even if Mecca is 99.9% Islam, surely even now His voice and through the Bride also (believers), Christ is being spoken there. For we do know, that God is not willing that any should perish. So up until that time...He's there. Mulims have been converting everyday somewhere. It's all over youtube in testimonials. Even the man in the first video posted was a hard core muslim who has now been converted to Christ.

Did you like the video? From Teman to Dedan, wasted. Maps and scriptures. Saudi Arabia. It's plausible, even if Papal Rome tries to rule the world from Jerusalem one day. That wouldn't mean Rome had to be Babylon also. Islam could have been conceived in Rome, yet birthed in Mecca.

Oh thanks for the link to the maps! That's a cool site. :)

I watched the one of Shoebat and looked at the map, great map the water looks so strange.
Shoebat was interesting. I very glad he has converted. He did make me a little curious though. He seems to still has that extremist attitude that is challenging the enemy, he's just turned it against Islam.
But it was more like he was challenging Christians to not just fight back but trying to pick a fight with Islam or saying "come and get us, you'll see". I get the feeling he's a ticking bomb. Not all his humor is humor, I think he is an angry man. But I just watched it once and that was just a first impression, I could be wrong.
 
Well, Iran calls Saudi the Whore because they are not loyal to their Arab brothers and have said before they would take Saudi out, and threatened them. For selling oil to the western enemy (US).

I was reading just yesterday that Saudi Arabia and Israel (!) are considering an alliance to attack Iran together.

Who knows for sure brother? Just something else to ponder. It does make more sense than Rome or New York, but as Eugene noted, it actually affects us very little. If anything like that happens, it would only serve to show us the season.
I'm just pointing out that in order to be logically consistent, Mecca can not be the whore of Babylon. Who cares what Iran says! Yet even if Iran calls Saudi a whore because she cheats on their god Baal (your words) through fornication with the West, to include also Israel, then what is it to our God?
 
iran is Persia, Iranians aren't arabs but Persians. when one goes to iran, one speaks farsi or Persian . the same is the case with Afghanistan. they speak dari(farsi) and Pashto both are from Persian ancestry . of course that nation has more then just those two, but those two are the largest
 
I'm just pointing out that in order to be logically consistent, Mecca can not be the whore of Babylon. Who cares what Iran says! Yet even if Iran calls Saudi a whore because she cheats on their god Baal (your words) through fornication with the West, to include also Israel, then what is it to our God?

Wot? It's a lot to our God brother. He is a jealous God, and we are HIS PEOPLE, created for HIS pleasure. (All of the peoples of the earth) Do you not know this, brother? :eek2

Huh. What happened to my post to Barth? I replied yesterday. At least, I think I clicked post. Huh. I'll try again, lol.
 
Hey fellow-laborer! I suspect that Mecca will have or has intimate ties to the infamous Babylon. But I think more probably Babylon will be in Iraq, where it was originally (I think southern-Iraq). I don't know all the detail behind these speculations but was wondering how we know that the Kaaba, which I know about, is the same as Diana, or the god whom Paul referred to in the passage you mention.

The "magic square" you speak of is new information and enigmatic.

I didn't follow everything you said, but you sound excited as when someone discovers and approaches or arrives at the end, or is in the midst of an enriching book or study.

It's all good. Remember, eschatology has enriching features. But the best parts of knowledge propagate Christian faith, hope and especially . . . we all know it! Love!

Thanks Barth. Scripture was given which identifies Babylon as a city by the sea. Uh, there is no sea in Iraq. So the original Babylon can not be the same one. The magic square thing was a new thing for me also, which they do cover in that Video above. I'm not outting this stuff out as fact (what do I know? lol) but...it does actually make more sense to me than either of the other two popular (theories). So I shared it as something to ponder.

iran is Persia, Iranians aren't arabs but Persians. when one goes to iran, one speaks farsi or Persian . the same is the case with Afghanistan. they speak dari(farsi) and Pashto both are from Persian ancestry . of course that nation has more then just those two, but those two are the largest

Huh. Learn something new everyday. Is Iran Muslim?
 
I watched the one of Shoebat and looked at the map, great map the water looks so strange.
Shoebat was interesting. I very glad he has converted. He did make me a little curious though. He seems to still has that extremist attitude that is challenging the enemy, he's just turned it against Islam.
But it was more like he was challenging Christians to not just fight back but trying to pick a fight with Islam or saying "come and get us, you'll see". I get the feeling he's a ticking bomb. Not all his humor is humor, I think he is an angry man. But I just watched it once and that was just a first impression, I could be wrong.

I picked up on his strong spirit also. He has much conviction, some are like that, perhaps a good thing for do we not have an extreme God? Look what He did to the Egyptians in the Red Sea! Whoa. He hardened Pharaohs heart to make his point to them and to give Himself the greater glory. I myself, am not so extreme, yet I praise God for I know not His thoughts. They are above mine.

When Jesus returns and wipes out the enemy with the brightness of His coming...it's not going to be a pretty sight. Welcome, yes! Pretty, no. Fear the Lord our God for He is mighty and a God of war... :pray
 
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