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[_ Old Earth _] Creationist vs evolutionist, whos the fool?

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Does evolution really teach that there is no God?

The fool hath said in his heart there is no God. they are corupt they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. psalms 14v1

Why does evolutionist make such a big deal about a theory?
But (they) became vain in there imaginations, and there foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to become wise they beacme fools. Rom 1v21b-22

Will they ever be convinced ...
Luke 16v 31 And he said unto them, If they here not moses and the prophets, neighter will they be persuaded, thou one rose from the dead.

Should we listen to fools fables?
Timothy 1v4 Neither Give heed to fables and endlessgenealogies, which minister questions, rathe than Godly ediffyingwhich is in faith so do.

They want proof, but only what they want to hear. They have itching ears
In your Opinon whos the real fool Those who are dead to sin or those who waiste there time being dead to God
 
goliwog man said:
Does evolution really teach that there is no God?

Does gravity?

Why does evolutionist make such a big deal about a theory?

We don't, YOU do.

Should we listen to fools fables?

I agree, we shouldn't listen to you.

They want proof, but only what they want to hear. They have itching ears
In your Opinon whos the real fool Those who are dead to sin or those who waiste there time being dead to God

:roll: goliwog...you're a laugh and a half. Evolutionists don't ask for proof of God.
 
goliwog...you're a laugh and a half. Evolutionists don't ask for proof of God.

then why do you always ask for evidence. You say genesis is a myth yet you produce no proof. But at least I'm a laugh :biggrin

goliwog man wrote:
Does evolution really teach that there is no God?


Does gravity?

No In colossians 1v17 It states And he is before all things , and by him all things consist.

Now The Greek verb for consist (sunistao) means to cohere, preserve, or hold together. And So the last half of this verse is saying all things hold together.scientists call this gravity. This is also expressed in heb 1v3. So God created gravity when he made the atmosphere in genisis 1v2. ( i suggest you read these referances for a change :biggrin )

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Why does evolutionist make such a big deal about a theory?



We don't, YOU do.

True It was the church that origonilly financed the thoery of evolution and scientists that rejected it. How times change
 
goliwog man said:
goliwog...you're a laugh and a half. Evolutionists don't ask for proof of God.

then why do you always ask for evidence. You say genesis is a myth yet you produce no proof. But at least I'm a laugh :biggrin
How about the fact that it corresponds to Babylonian myths? How about the fact that much of the bible doesn't logically follow.
[quote:biggrin3b0b]goliwog man wrote:
Does evolution really teach that there is no God?


Does gravity?

No In colossians 1v17 It states And he is before all things , and by him all things consist.

Now The Greek verb for consist (sunistao) means to cohere, preserve, or hold together. And So the last half of this verse is saying all things hold together.scientists call this gravity. This is also expressed in heb 1v3. So God created gravity when he made the atmosphere in genisis 1v2. ( i suggest you read these referances for a change :biggrin )
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Be consistant. You're literally interpretting genesis, but here you are being incredibly broad and making the context wider than it's intent. Are you saying that the writer of colossians was saying "And he is before all things, and by him all things attract eachother based on their mass and their distance from eachother"? Because if you are then what does that do to the context of the rest of colossians 1?

Furthermore, you have missed the point. Tuath'an was not saying that gravity has anything to do with whether or not yahweh or any other god exists. He was using gravity as an example of a scientific theory that has nothing to do with the ontological status of deities and comparing it to evolution.
So let me make it clear, because subtlety as deep as almost directly telling you is not enough. Evolution has nothing to do with god's existence. It is neither contingent on the existence of yahweh nor is it contigent on the nonexistence of yahweh.
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Why does evolutionist make such a big deal about a theory?

We don't, YOU do.

True It was the church that origonilly financed the thoery of evolution and scientists that rejected it. How times change[/quote:biggrin3b0b]
You are not responding to Tuath'an's rebuttle, avoid making non sequitors such as this one.
 
Does evolution really teach that there is no God?
No

Why does evolutionist make such a big deal about a theory?
This section of the forum is creation/evolution, I'd expect it to be a pretty big subject around here. Outside of this area I doubt you'd hear it discussed on a daily basis.

Will they ever be convinced ... They want proof, but only what they want to hear.
If anyone ever produced proof it would change the world, one religion that is known to be correct, no debate over which holy book or which messiah, no disputes at all. That evidence does not exist. If God wanted to sort things out he would have the power (speak to everyone at once, write it in flaming letters in the sky, appear and let us know etc) but he does not, either meaning he doesn't want to or can't, either way doesn't match the Christian idea of God.
Its probably the biggest thing against all versions of gods, lack of contact. Seemed to be common in the OT, but the miracles seem to have really dried up.
 
How about the fact that it corresponds to Babylonian myths? How about the fact that much of the bible doesn't logically follow.

If
anyone ever produced proof it would change the world, one religion that is known to be correct, no debate over which holy book or which messiah, no disputes at all. That evidence does not exist. If God wanted to sort things out he would have the power (speak to everyone at once, write it in flaming letters in the sky, appear and let us know etc) but he does not, either meaning he doesn't want to or can't, either way doesn't match the Christian idea of God.
Its probably the biggest thing against all versions of gods, lack of contact. Seemed to be common in the OT, but the miracles seem to have really dried up.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God. 2 timothy 3v16 states: All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

This claims that the bible is in fact unique. Who copies of who?
Many people will tell you that the Bible is only a collection of fables, but they’re not telling you the whole story.
Can you believe the Bible? The implications are enormous.
by Scott Ashley
Proof that biblical figures were real
As recently as a decade ago, some argued that Israel’s most famous king, David, was but a myth. The record of the Bible wasn’t good enough, they insisted; proof of his existence must be found elsewhere.
In 1993 that proof emerged when Israeli archaeologists discovered an inscription that referred to the royal dynasty David founded. Recorded on a monument some 150 years after David’s death, the inscription commemorates the victory of the king of Damascus over the forces of Israel and their king, who was "of the house (dynasty) of David" (see "An Ancient Inscription Proves David Was Real," page 5).
Over the years dozens of artifacts and inscriptions bearing the names of individuals mentioned in the Bible have been uncovered. In 1982 a cache of 51 ancient baked-clay seals that were used to bind papyrus or parchment scrolls was uncovered in a Jerusalem excavation. One bore the impression of the seal of "Gemaryahu (Gemariah) the son of Shaphan." This same "Gemariah, the son of Shaphan," was a scribe in the court of Judah’s king Jehoiakim as mentioned in Jeremiah 36:10-12,25-26.
In 1975 another hoard of seals emerged, apparently uncovered in unauthorized digging in Jerusalem. One bore the name of Ishmael, the man who assassinated Gedaliah, the governor appointed by the Babylonians after they destroyed Jerusalem (2Kings 25:25).
Even more surprising, another seal bore the name "Berekhyahu (Baruch) son of Neriyahu (Neriah) the scribe." This man was none other than "Baruch the scribe," trusted friend, confidant and scribe of Jeremiah the prophet (Jeremiah 36:4-32; 43:1-6; 45:1-2).
As if that were not astounding enough, another seal in a private collection in England was found to bear not only Baruch’s name but a fingerprint along one edge--apparently Baruch’s own fingerprint from when he impressed his seal into the soft clay some 2,600 years ago!
These are only a few of the finds that prove specific people mentioned in the Bible--many only in an incidental way--were indeed real and lived at the exact time and in the exact location in which the Bible places them. A complete list of such finds would fill many pages of this magazine.
I got this from a website for more information see http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/gn/gn039/bible.html

Miricles dry up because belivers dry up not the other way around. hey my mother was healed of diabeties but after that evryone said she never had diabeties evryone except the doctors....[/quote]
 
Since you're so gullible, everything I have said, and ever will say, and am currently saying is true.
 
SyntaxVorlon said:
Since you're so gullible, everything I have said, and ever will say, and am currently saying is true.

haha...classic!

That is why I like my signature, it was the only honest religious tome ever written.
 
All scripture is given by inspiration of God. 2 timothy 3v16 states: All scripture is given by inspiration of God.
This claims that the bible is in fact unique
Using the Bible to prove the Bible... and you don't see any problems with that evidence?

Proof that biblical figures were real...
A story based on real locations and real people can still be a story. Saving private Ryan certainly took place in real locations but while based on a real war didn't actually happen. Just because you can find a guy by the name Clark Kent, doesn't mean he can fly. The Bible is based on real world settings so yes we will find recognisable people and places, but that doesn't actually mean its miraculous claims are true (fire from the sky, talking animals, people living to 900 years etc).

Miricles dry up because belivers dry up
Then if anything we should be seeing more miracles today than 2000 years ago. There are close to 2 billion christians of various churches, but none of them can call fire from the sky on request. There are billions of hindus, muslims and jews but they also show a great lack of miraculous powers.
 
goliwog man said:
Does evolution really teach that there is no God?
No, it most certainly does not.
In your Opinon whos the real fool Those who are dead to sin or those who waiste there time being dead to God

Those who are dead to God are obviously the true fools. However, evolutionists are not necessarily dead to God---there are many many Christians who can accept evolution as being true. As far as the title of this thread goes---its the creationists who are the fools. They rely solely on their flawed interpetation of the Scriptures, instead of also accepting the testimony of the natural world, and have a conception of the world not based in reality.
 
to believe in evolution you would have to reject the book of Genesis.

"and god created both male and femail"

now who is calling God the liar
 
Saying I made a cake doesn't mean I made one out of thin air.

Similarly, saying God created man and woman doesn't mean he couldn't have used a process to do so.

That is why the question of God is seperate from the question of evolution.

Evolution only comments on the process, not on who, what, or how that process came into being. The latter part is a more philosophical and religious question, which has no bearing on the former.
 
since adam was made from dust and eve was made from adams rib there is no evolution their God created them.
 
Similarly, saying God created man and woman doesn't mean he couldn't have used a process to do so.

Actually the word created means to make something out of nothing (root meaning)

God made adam and eve not bongo the gorilla and aggitha the ape (lol) He put man in charge of the situation. He made man in his image does the image of God evolve?.

Using the Bible to prove the Bible... and you don't see any problems with that evidence?

Your forgetting that the bible is a compound of 66 books Actualy I'm using a book to prove a book. The main book of the Bible that evolution will have problems with is genesis.

there are many many Christians who can accept evolution as being true. As far as the title of this thread goes---its the creationists who are the fools.

Are you saying christians should serve 2 masters? If you believe that God created all living creatures in a week how can you also trust in millions of years?

Since you're so gullible, everything I have said, and ever will say, and am currently saying is true.
Or evrything that I am saying and am currently saying is false even if it sounds true. :biggrin
Romans 1v14 I am debtor to the greeks and to the barbarians to the wise and the unwise
Be not deceived, God is not mocked, whatsoever a man sows, that he shall also reap.†(Galatians 6:7).
So we should Go look for oursleves I sought and found my answears In God what about you are you still seeking?
 
Does evolution really teach that there is no God?

Evolution assists in removing the need for a god, which was to provide answers, comfort, and keep people in line.

Now, science has removed the comforting love of an all-caring creator, (as it pretty much already has) a lot of people are going to be frightened.

Don't be afraid.

:biggrin
 
thank you B for the post.

How do u ever come up with such that their is no need for God.
 
willow the wip said:
thank you B for the post.

How do u ever come up with such that their is no need for God.

The need for a god is an interesting point.

If you desire, or moreso if you believe you deserve, an eternity of concious bliss, then it is necessary to believe in a deity to get you there. People, Christian or not, religious or atheist, dislike the idea of mortality.

Because people hate the idea that this one short life is all we get, it becomes necessary to need a God.

I have, as have most non-believers, simply accepted the mortality that is part of life. When I die, I die. The best I can do is enjoy it while I got it, and make the most of my one shot.

That is why I don't believe there is a need for God. It would be nice, but I have no reason to expect to live on in eternity after I die.

Though I can certainly understand why others have a problem grasping that concept, and thus rely on a God to solve the death problem.
 
Well said Thinkerman.

A lot of theists seem to also think that there is no basis for morality outside of their god.

Untrue. Common sense serves perfectly well.
 
ahah now your talking about right and wrong (Does common sense serve for morality) My problem is which right is the right right to be right about in the first place? It makes sense to use common sense but my sense might to you be nonsense. How can you determin whos morals are moraly correct? (we have a thread on this subject in general discussion :biggrin )
 
"b" and "thinkerman" why are you even wasting your time in this forum you know Christians here will never except what you ever say, we are believers and are single minded.

If what you believe is true that their is need for a God and we just live to die like you said, then why should it bother you, why not make the most of your time then wasting your life on this forum and we will make the most of ours.
 
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