cutting

[jasoncran]

self loathing that causes cutting doesn't mean that one is relieved by doing that but rather is acting on hatred of oneself.its temporary. self mutilation of this nature doesn't stop with one cut.

 

[Claudya]

It is a temporary relief, although it's dysfunctional and making things worse on the long run. But for the moment it really helps, that's why many people have trouble discontinuing that behaviour or using some non-destructive way to alleviate their pain.

I spent two month in a psychiatric outpatient hospital this summer and got into Dialectic Behavioural Therapy. It's an effective therapy, adressing the underlying self loathing, teaches people to be kind with themselves and aware of their emotional state, and helps people to chose and practice other harmless or even positive ways of comforting themselves.

 

[jasoncran]

the reason I mention this is because of this song,"cut"

 

[jasoncran]

its the theme song of the show vampire diaries.

 

[Claudya]

its the theme song of the show vampire diaries.

Not having a TV and not caring much for vampire fiction I never watched the show nor heard that song before. The lyrics sound a bit like teenage emo to me, though.

 

[jasoncran]

plumb is rather strange. I really didn't care much for her until recently. the song need you know is the song that got my attention. yes you could say emo. its generally the teens that cut themselves. of course at my mma gym, the owner plays that song. a long version. I told him to really listen to that song. its not very edifying.

 

[Free]

the reason I mention this is because of this song,"cut"

I prefer Andy Hunter's remix:

I do think one needs to be careful about generalizing as to why a person cuts. There could be any number of different reasons as to why a given individual cuts. This is the basis for the song:

It is, of course, necessary that Chrisitans, and perhaps Christian artists even moreso, directly address these issues and struggles that people have.

 

[jasoncran]

I understand that she has a ministry. I was aware of that. but she didn't exactly stop hbo from using that song for vampire diaries.

 

[Free]

I understand that she has a ministry. I was aware of that. but she didn't exactly stop hbo from using that song for vampire diaries.

But what is wrong with that? How many more people have now heard the song, how many more cutters have been reached?

 

[jasoncran]

i know more about plumb then you think. but im withholding the reasons why i don't like that song. i don't think they she meant to but its known more for the theme song of vampires then cutting. imho.try listening to that song. its vexing. i have. i understand the intent. i remember the first time i heard that song years ago on a Christian radio station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumb_(singer)

while some have said the vampire diaries has cut as a theme song, others haven't. i stand corrected.

 

[jasoncran]

But what is wrong with that? How many more people have now heard the song, how many more cutters have been reached?

uhm, if they are watching the it on, cw not hbo,i stand correctd its not going to point them to Christ. she didn't do that. remember that its for entertainment on cw. they aren't going to in the credits mention the singer in the opening but in the end. i wouldn't call the promotion of talking about an issue by theme song for a sin promoting show such as the vampire diaries. its on the cw. im not saying that watching the show is a sin but really i doubt vampires shows really promote Christian values these days.

 

[Free]

i know more about plumb then you think. but im withholding the reasons why i don't like that song. i don't think they she meant to but its known more for the theme song of vampires then cutting. imho.try listening to that song. its vexing. i have. i understand the intent. i remember the first time i heard that song years ago on a Christian radio station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumb_(singer)

while some have said the vampire diaries has cut as a theme song, others haven't. i stand corrected.

I have listened to the song, a lot, and I find nothing vexing about it. I think it is a good song that is meant to bring to light a serious problem.

 

[Free]

uhm, if they are watching the it on, cw not hbo,i stand correctd its not going to point them to Christ. she didn't do that. remember that its for entertainment on cw. they aren't going to in the credits mention the singer in the opening but in the end. i wouldn't call the promotion of talking about an issue by theme song for a sin promoting show such as the vampire diaries. its on the cw. im not saying that watching the show is a sin but really i doubt vampires shows really promote Christian values these days.

What's "cw"? This has absolutely nothing to do with shows about vampires trying to promote Christian values, because they clearly don't and that most likely was not the intent in choosing that song for the show. My point is that a Christian song used on a non-Christian show is still going to reach some people who need reaching, regardless of the intent behind HBO's use of the song.

 

[jasoncran]

cw, is a network that aires it. next so just talking about it? really i understand that but really do the bible like that?

I have listened to the song, a lot, and I find nothing vexing about it. I think it is a good song that is meant to bring to light a serious problem.

i live it. . because it doesn't have any affect on you. i understand the need and i don't have a problem with it but my point is that theres got to more then just dialogue. making a song and if it was(and its not) a theme song on the vampire diaries isn't the way. i understand why but since i opened the can of worms on this. and NO i don't cut. if i did i would mention it. but i do hate MYSELF AND BERATE WHAT I AM in a different manner. so i can understand this.

so now that i have opened up. i will post the lyrics and share.

"Cut"


I'm not a stranger
No I am yours
With crippled anger
And tears that still drip sore

A fragile frame aged
With misery
And when our eyes meet
I know you see

I do not want to be afraid
I do not want to die inside just to breathe in
I'm tired of feeling so numb
Relief exists I find it when
I am cut

I may seem crazy
Or painfully shy
And these scars wouldn't be so hidden
If you would just look me in the eye
I feel alone here and cold here
Though I don't want to die
But the only anesthetic that makes me feel anything kills inside

I do not want to be afraid
I do not want to die inside just to breathe in
I'm tired of feeling so numb
Relief exists I find it when
I am cut
Pain
I am not alone
I am not alone

I'm not a stranger
No I am yours
With crippled anger
And tears that still drip sore

But I do not want to be afraid
I do not want to die inside just to breathe in
I'm tired of feeling so numb
Relief exists I found it when
I was cut

since i am socially awkward and have been emotionally abused. for some reason i cant recall when i learned the behaviors of self loathing. and cutting is a type of this. i don't cut but i do berate myself for days. i do it and many wont know i am doing it while they see me. often some have said i look sullen or mad and i play or put up the wall to deny what is really going on. sometimes i do say things and other times i choose not. since we are on this subject and i take thing literally to my chagrin. i was poked at by mma coach a believer. he doesn't know. he has no clue.one doesn't walk up to those that you don't know in America and open up with these demons. you get oh ok, or made fun of. been there done that. theres a ton of social clues that you may see that i simply fail to see. when i do fail at them then cometh the berating. so yes i do very much live this song. after the berating then comes the depression. happened to me a few hours ago. i was wondering why my dog wanted to jump in the bed then when i laid in bed i had some depressing thoughts .i cant remember what it was as i was asleep. Cheyenne picks up on sadness and anger and tries to comfort you. i have seen her do that with me and my wife. now then you will see why i don't like the song. i use numbness at leisure, the holy spirit is removing that from me.i can go into that as well. he is using the mma coach to do that but he doesn't know. im betting that many cutters also have similar issues. feeling isolated and also social skills. if one self hates one will NOT have confidence and tend to be an introvert.

 

[Free]

cw, is a network that aires it. next so just talking about it? really i understand that but really do the bible like that?

i live it. . because it doesn't have any affect on you. i understand the need and i don't have a problem with it but my point is that theres got to more then just dialogue. making a song and if it was(and its not) a theme song on the vampire diaries isn't the way. i understand why but since i opened the can of worms on this. and NO i don't cut. if i did i would mention it. but i do hate MYSELF AND BERATE WHAT I AM in a different manner. so i can understand this.

Again, my point is that, if the song was used on the Vampire Diaries, then she has likely reached more people. What we need to be clear about is that she made this song 3 years prior to that series. In the interview I posted, Tiffany makes it clear as to why she made that song, and why she makes other similar songs. The CW has their own reasons for using the song, if they did.

Of course there is more to it than just making a song about it but how is it incumbent on an artist who makes a song about to do more about it? Is it not those who listen to it and are affected by it that also need to do something? Kudos to Tiffany for doing a song about a serious issue that not many others seem willing to talk about.

 

[jasoncran]

crickets. i wouldn't expect a response quickly to what i have posted. a year ago i wouldn't have even posted this if i did it would (and i have) to likes of " i hate emotions". there is no talking about this, if you don't understand or know. even then really imho only God can heal this. it was a lot worse years ago for me. some of these demons were overcome and others i just buried. its the later that i must deal with.

 

[jasoncran]

yes but does one have to listen to that to do something? no. it does help to be reminded that you need to deal with it but i didn't need cut to do that. i noticed that long before i was saved. for the record the song "cut"is not the theme song to vampire diaries i stand corrected. but i will say this. ever watch king of the hill? i did briefly. they did a show once and it kinda mocked Christ. yet in the need for entertainment i choose to continue watching that. i really don't think it wise if said show had a Christian them song as an intro to be an effective light. i no longer watch king of the hill.i could but i wont.

 

[Free]

yes but does one have to listen to that to do something? no. it does help to be reminded that you need to deal with it but i didn't need cut to do that.

I don't understand what you're getting at. Plumb made a song about cutting, based on a cutter's experience, to bring this serious issue to light. That is all.

but i will say this. ever watch king of the hill? i did briefly. they did a show once and it kinda mocked Christ. yet in the need for entertainment i choose to continue watching that. i really don't think it wise if said show had a Christian them song as an intro to be an effective light. i no longer watch king of the hill.i could but i wont.

I really don't know what your point is here or what a Christian theme song would have to do with anything.

 

[OhFarouk]

Is Plumb identified as a Christian? does anyone know?

 

[jasoncran]

free, so if say lets say a show that mocks Christ and yet has a theme show that is written for Christ. you don't get the problem? not that i have watched vampire diaries to see that it does but since its about vampires and its reasonable to assume that they have the occult in them. i hardly see the connection of Christ to the occult. kinda like the show http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charmed, now i have watched that show and well while wiccan like./new age. it has enough lies about things that if one person used the song say by casting crown called voice of truth. one could if one didn't know anything about the bible that Christians believe in witchraft. thus my point.

i used to love all things vampire. my wife loves underworld. she was surprised that i knew about the legends of the wolves and the vampires fighting. that is old to me. thanks to ghostbusters who did an episode on that. so i do know that charmed and majority of vampire shows use the occult. that was my point.king of the hill had and episode where peggy wanted to teach so she lied to the nuns at a catholic school that she was a nun to teach. she was told to teach the catechisms. when i watched this. wow a protestant teach the catechisms. this will be interesting.so she went into solo scriptura briefly and also the writers in a subtle way mocked the rcc way of the doing the communion and also with the shows that the nuns watched. another scene was that peggy had a night mare about hell and sending the kids there because she asked them questions that this site has banned athiests for. not as aggressive but we have banned them. ie jesus is he really the son of god? and cast doubts about that and almost troll like.its meant for entertaimment yes but really?yes i could have overlooked that but to this day it kinda doesn't sit well.