Bible Study DAMASCUS

[Bob10]

Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. - Acts 9:1-2

It is probably surprising to the modern reader to realize that the Christians in Damascus didn't have a church of their own. Why were they still in the synagogues? And if they were still attending synagogue, they were still keeping the Sabbath. When Paul was arrested, he made a revealing remark to his fellow Jews:

Now it happened, when I returned to Jerusalem and was praying in the temple, that I was in a trance and saw Him saying to me, 'Make haste and get out of Jerusalem quickly, for they will not receive your testimony concerning Me.' So I said, 'Lord, they know that in every synagogue I imprisoned and beat those who believe on You. - Acts 22:17-19

I find it impossible to believe that in these early years the Church had made any change in its days of worship. There is not a hint about Christmas or Easter and no suggestion that the Church had ceased observing the Seventh Day Sabbath.




ref/ The Thread, by Ronald Dart, 2006

 

[Remember]

Quote:
Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. - Acts 9:1-2

It is probably surprising to the modern reader to realize that the Christians in Damascus didn't have a church of their own. Why were they still in the synagogues? And if they were still attending synagogue, they were still keeping the Sabbath. When Paul was arrested, he made a revealing remark to his fellow Jews:

The Word was brought to the Jews regularly when they gathered, on the Sabbath in the synagogues (and other places they might gather for worship Acts 16:13) in efforts to convert. Saul was given letters that he could show to the priests regarding his job and the letters would request aid and assistance in pointing out those "of the way" of whom the priests might know. Things of that nature.

The Christians would gather on the first day of the week to break bread and preach and teach the unsaved and new saints that would gather together. Acts 20:7 It was sometimes in a home, an inn and many other places.

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Now it happened, when I returned to Jerusalem and was praying in the temple, that I was in a trance and saw Him saying to me, 'Make haste and get out of Jerusalem quickly, for they will not receive your testimony concerning Me.' So I said, 'Lord, they know that in every synagogue I imprisoned and beat those who believe on You. - Acts 22:17-19

I find it impossible to believe that in these early years the Church had made any change in its days of worship. There is not a hint about Christmas or Easter and no suggestion that the Church had ceased observing the Seventh Day Sabbath.

ref/ The Thread, by Ronald Dart, 2006[/quote:0f306]

Acts 20:7 is one reason why we gather for worship on the first day of the week, Biblical example.

Christmas and Easter are man-made holidays. I celebrate the death, burial and resurrection of Christ each first day of the week with the unleaven bread and fruit of the vine, as He requested, in remembrance of him Luke 22:17-20 in the physical manner, but his sacrifice is on my mind much more often.

 

[John the Baptist]

To the author Remember, and pertaining to the post.
John here:
Your verse below needs very little study to see even, 'one' flaw in its post, when one is Born Again. See Romans 8:14 No personal offense even suggested. But the bottom line for Salvation is Extremely Simple for even Babes [IN CHRIST] to see that there is nothing that could ever be commanded even, to make the Godhead a changing Godhead!! When in fact it is They who tell the Universe that They CHANGE NOT, but are the SAME FOREVER! Hebrews 13:8 (Babes of Hebe. 5 & IN CHRIST of Romans 8:1)

And the the simple test?? Christ says that "IF ye LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS". Even compare Ecclesiastes 12:13-14? This too is TRASHED by your post! (if you are truly sincere? you might see what the difference between you & Peter is, by studying Acts 10:9-20 ... why did Peter KNOW for sure that he did not understand the THREE TIME VISION? It has to do with a Godhead that does NOT CHANGE!)

But here you say below that you have a reason to Change the Word of what the Godhead says, that cannot be done????? See Ecclesiastes 3:14 & Revelation 22:18-19

Surely you can understand that this is exactly what Catholicism has done to become the Star satan 'ANTI/CHRIST' Witness of Revelation 17:1-5 ABOMINATION TO THE WHOLE UNIVERSE??? Compare Daniel 7:25 :

Remember's quote: "Acts 20:7 is one reason why we gather for worship on the first day of the week, Biblical example"

 

[cyberjosh]

I find it impossible to believe that in these early years the Church had made any change in its days of worship. There is not a hint about Christmas or Easter and no suggestion that the Church had ceased observing the Seventh Day Sabbath.

Acts also mentions the Christians meeting on the the first day of the week (Sunday), because that is the day Jesus rose. The practice of meeting for edification on Sundays has become our modern observance of having Church on Sunday.

And John what are you babbling about? You seem to take the slightest comments to launch a doctrinal crusade which covers everything but the main point. He's right about Christians meeting on the first of the week. We're not talking about motives, we're talking about when they actually met, and as I explained it was on Sunday because that way the day Christ rose.

 

[John the Baptist]

Acts also mentions the Christians meeting on the the first day of the week (Sunday), because that is the day Jesus rose. The practice of meeting for edification on Sundays has become our modern observance of having Church on Sunday.

And John what are you babbling about? You seem to take the slightest comments to launch a doctrinal crusade which covers everything but the main point. He's right about Christians meeting on the first of the week. We're not talking about motives, we're talking about when they actually met, and as I explained it was on Sunday because that way the day Christ rose.

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Come on, even a Slightest 'hint' would not even be plausible! :robot: 'Coming together and brake bread', means WORSHIP???????? Come on, get real! We do this three time a day at least.

This is the 'Showers of Refreshing time' (Romans 8:14) Even Hosea 4:6 has extra 'knowledge' to help one get off the pacifier. (milk!) It seems that this includes all scripture pluss! And we still see & hear this kind of 2 Corinthians 4:2 'twisting'. Whatever?

Go on back into 'your' Revelation 17:5 stuff, if that is your desire?
It seems that some folk do not know what one purpose of the Holy Spirit was given for. No where does 'He' bring up to anyone remembrance of 'Inspiration' where sun worship was anything other than PAGAN! Ezekiel 8:16-18. (notice that they. thumbed their nose also! Not any different than telling the Universe that the Holy Spirit was saying 'breaking bread' was meaning Worship :roll
One best take seriously Ecclesiastes 3:14 & Revelation 22:18-19 WARNING!
---John

 

[Bob10]

Cybershark

.....as I explained it was on Sunday ........

Not according to Paul ---


'Lord, they know that in every synagogue I imprisoned and beat those who believe on You. - Acts 22:17-19


Here are BELIEVERS attending Synagogue on the Sabbath Day -- many years after Jesus' resurrection.


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http://www.nisbett.com/sabbath/sunday_not_lords_day.htm


http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseact ... seID/27634





following his death, gloom set in as his followers mourned. We read in Mark 16:9-14 that when told of Jesus' resurrection they simply didn't believe it.

John's description of them paints the group as a cowardly company hiding out in a little room, John 20:19, "...when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews," John 20:19.

 

[stovebolts]

Acts 2:46 Every day they continued to gather together by common consent in the temple courts, breaking bread from house to house, sharing their food with glad and humble hearts.

20:7 On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul began to speak to the people...

 

[John the Baptist]

Acts 2:46 Every day they continued to gather together by common consent in the temple courts, breaking bread from house to house, sharing their food with glad and humble hearts.

20:7 On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul began to speak to the people...

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Come on Bolts, you have been around long enough to get this INSPIRATION Right! : Double check Mark 7:7! ---John

 

[Bob10]

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul began to speak to the people...

IDIOM -- break bread = To eat together



ACTS 20:7-14
This gathering seems to be brought on by the impending departure of Paul -- to bid farewell to Paul --- a farewell meal for Paul.

The impending departure of Paul may have united the little Church in a brotherly parting-meal, on the occasion of which the apostle delivered his last address, although there was no particular celebration of a Sunday in the case.

Paul and his friends could not, as good Jews, start out on a journey on the Sabbath; they did so as soon after it as was possible, v.11, at dawn on the 'first day' - the Sabbath having ended at sunset.



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Acts 2:46, NIV

Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts



Acts 2:46, Young's Literal Translation
Daily also continuing with one accord in the temple, breaking also at every house bread, they were partaking of food in gladness and simplicity of heart,

 

[cyberjosh]

IDIOM -- break bread = To eat together

The point wasn't that they broke bread together, Baptists do that every Sunday (couldn't help myself). Rather the point was that they met on the first day of the week.

"On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come." (1 Corinthians 16:2)

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet." (Revelation 1:10)

Now what is the Lord's Day? It is Sunday when our Lord rose. Now don't you think something renouned as "the Lord's Day" was observed? And when was it? On Sunday.

Also Paul in 1 Cor 16:2 was most likely talking about a tithe to be saved up every Sunday (a.k.a. Church service) to provide for the "collection for the saints" (vs. 1) as relief money. Paul didn't want any last minute additions to the gift offering so that they would be prepared.

 

[SputnikBoy]

The point wasn't that they broke bread together, Baptists do that every Sunday (couldn't help myself). Rather the point was that they met on the first day of the week.

And what does that mean for us today, cyber ...that we should eat one day a week (Sunday) and starve ourselves the rest of the week ...? We're told that they met to break bread (to eat) EVERY day. What is your point?

"On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come." (1 Corinthians 16:2)

Again ...so what? Paul and the other Apostles kept the Sabbath Day diligently. It was their custom and, for many, had been all of their lives. There is no way that they would have made collections on that day (the 7th) since it would have been contrary to their belief. Therefore it stands to reason that collections would be made the day after or on some other day. So, again, what is your point?

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet." (Revelation 1:10)

Now what is the Lord's Day? It is Sunday when our Lord rose. Now don't you think something renouned as "the Lord's Day" was observed? And when was it? On Sunday.

I say this as nicely as possible ...baloney! That interpretation of 'the Lord's Day' is purely RCC. Nothing other! The Lord's Day as spoken of in Revelation 1:10 refers to John 'being in the Spirit' on the day (the time period) on which Jesus returns. What follows are many texts that refer to last day events that lead up to that momentous day of Christ's return. It has NOTHING to do with a particular DAY as such ...it's a time prophesy involving John 'in vision'.

Also Paul in 1 Cor 16:2 was most likely talking about a tithe to be saved up every Sunday (a.k.a. Church service) to provide for the "collection for the saints" (vs. 1) as relief money. Paul didn't want any last minute additions to the gift offering so that they would be prepared.

Nice ...but totally false and RCC in nature. Paul and the Apostles did not have a church service on Sunday. They honored the 7th-day Sabbath and to do anything contrary to that would have been against their nature and their belief system. Pure RCC. It just goes to show how that system (the RCC) has SO influenced the Protestant Church with its own teachings. Don't believe me ...do some research on the subject.

 

[John the Baptist]

Find the Lords Day Here?

Break bread on the first day changes something?? John here: Here is an old post for more of satans Rome stuff. You think that the apostles knew something that the Mother of Christ was not told about, huh? plus the other woman, & the guys in hiding from Rome's Caesar, & the Jews!

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: ---This Time Of Season Again?--- (slightly altered)

SATURDAY AT SUNDOWN!! After Saturday sunset, the spices that had been all prepared beforehand, found the women [waiting for daylight?] You got to be off your Spiritual Rocker!! It is hard for a non/Christian to understand what anyone who loves their master would do, it seems? Well, 'i' will tell you what they did! (while the men were all in hiding for fear, fear from the 'keepers' of Moses law )

The women are recorded to proceed.."..as it [began to dawn] toward the first day of the week.." when was this? Verse 2-6 & v. 6 says, "He is not here: for he is risen.." It is a fact that Christ was gone already! 'Easter'
Was it sunrise? Hardly!! They were keeping the Seventh-day Sabbath! THEY WERE NOW GOING TO DO A WORK THAT THEY WOULD NOT DO BEFORE!! But again, when did they start this work? Notice!

Christ was gone well before daylight. Lets check another? But lets use the Apostates favorite, you never hear of these other passages in April, at least not in full context. "And when the Sabbath was past...And very early in the morning...they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun. Even this does not say
when the Master arose!

Another from Luke 24 in part. "Very early in the morning, they came ..
bringing spices which they had prepared..And they found the stone rolled away..And found not the body of the Lord Jesus." Again, the Evening & the Morning made the day, night first, and the light part last! What time was it? It is a Gospel Truth that Christ was already arisen BEFORE OUR Sunday HAD ANY SUNSHINE!

It seems that John who lived the longest, and who wrote the Rev. would
be able to give us a good report? If there had been any thing needing correcting, surely the Holy Spirit would have had him do so long after the fact. For it is the Holy Ghost that is to bring things to our remembrance! He was inspired to pen his words in chapter 20 giving us the total thoughts of the Godhead from both angles.
He tells us about the women coming to the tomb & where the men were? And why they were in hiding. And also about the time of day it really was, as found in verses 1 & 19. In part it says,

"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, (notice the word EARLY again) when it was [yet dark,] unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre." When it was yet dark, & Christ was gone already!!!

AGAIN Remember that John wrote Rev. near 96 A.D. 27 yrs. after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. He could have 'tidied' any previous understanding up, if it had been needed.

Read on, for there was quite a commotion! We will continue on in verse 11. Mary is broken up & crying, and remember it is 'yet dark'
"and when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and she saw Jesus
standing, and [knew not] that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
Again why did she not recognize him before? It was dark & she was weeping! (these were real tears friend!!)

Notice another point. Think about the thief on the cross which some add more of satans rubbish to by saying that Christ went straight into paradise that same day that he died? Remember that Jesus was in the grave nearly three day before his resurrection. In verse 17 He tells us that, "..Touch me not for I am not yet ascended to my Father.." Yet what day does the Gospel tell us that this was? Notice verse 19,

"Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, where the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews.." And some of the professed call this a worship service :robot: .
But again verse one call this.. "while it was yet dark"! Here it is the same day, AND the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK! Go slowly..it is dark, night & Sunday. (Or Saturday Night as we know it.) Do you remember that the Sabbath was past at SUNSET? And in Gen. 1, the dark part comes first? The Gospel says that the 'evening and the morning were the first day.' try Gen. 1:5 & 8 & 13 & 19 & 23 & Gen. 2:2-3 man was created and the Sabbath given.

Is your message something new? Hardly!
"And he (satan-great whore) shall speak great words against the most High....and think to change times and laws.." Dan. 7:25

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that were against us..took it out of the way, nailing it to the cross..", these were not the Eternal Covenant of the Universe folks! Hebrews 13:20

You do [your] thing, (try Eph. 6:12) but re/read the Gospel, stating that, 's'atan will.."think to change times and laws." The 'Remnant' will have NO part with that! Then see Eze. 9! Yes, there was the SDA R&H
reporting to have a Easter Sunrise service a short time ago, a hundred of them??

But God asks, "What is new? Nothing new under the sun." They tell us! Try Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl.3:15
In the Masters service for the quick ending of His work, 1 Peter 4:17
John

 

[cyberjosh]

And what does that mean for us today, cyber ...that we should eat one day a week (Sunday) and starve ourselves the rest of the week ...? We're told that they met to break bread (to eat) EVERY day. What is your point?

That verse alone didn't make the point, that's why I quoted the other ones, but it's one rung in the ladder.

It's interesting to notice though that the Didache mentions breaking bread in connection with the "Lord's Day", all the more reinforcing the idea of "the Lord's day" being Sunday: "Assemble on the Lord's Day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one." [The Didache 14:1]

I say this as nicely as possible ...baloney! That interpretation of 'the Lord's Day' is purely RCC. Nothing other! The Lord's Day as spoken of in Revelation 1:10 refers to John 'being in the Spirit' on the day (the time period) on which Jesus returns.

Oh, so Jesus returned on the day that John had his vision? Dang I missed the rapture. Just kidding. ;)

Now to seriously address you, it is not my opinion only that the "Lord's Day" is sunday when Christians met. Several Church historians and Bible scholars were the origin of these ideas. My cross references in the margin of my NASB and NKJV Bible both happen to link Acts 20:7 and Rev 1:10 together.

My Zondervan NASB commentary say's what I've already said on Rev 1:10:

"the Lord's Day. A technical term for the first day of the week - so named because Jesus rose from the dead on that day. It was also the day on which the Christians met (see Acts 20:7) and took up collections (see 1 Cor 16:2)."

My NKJV commentary on Rev 1:10 is a little more thorough and helpful:

"Lord's Day. This phrase appears in many early Christian writings and refers to Sunday, the day of the Lord's ressurection. Some have suggested this phrase refers to "the Day of the Lord," but the context doesn't support that interpretation, and the grammatical form of the word "Lord" is adjectival, thus 'the Lord's day'."

And indeed it is true that many early Christian sources refered to Sunday as the Lord's day. In addition to the Didache which I quoted above St. Ignatius an Early Church Father (who wrote before 110 A.D.) wrote:

"We have seen how former adherents of the ancient customs have since attained to a new hope; so that they have given up keeping the Sabbath, and now order their lives by the Lord's Day instead - the Day when life first dawned for us, thanks to Him (Jesus) and His death. [Epistle to the Magnesians 9]

So instead of you telling me to do my research why don't you do some of your own.

Look also here for a short synopsis of sunday worship: http://www.religionfacts.com/christiani ... sunday.htm

Also I can't buy full heartedly into your "Christians met in Synagogues thus on the Sabbath" arguement because Synagogues were attended every day, that's what they were for, for daily teaching and instruction.

I don't deny that some Christians may have still met on the Sabbath (although Paul made it clear that they had the liberty to or not to observe it), and no doubt they probably would have debated with the jews there as Paul did. But my point is that Sunday was observed as a holy day also in early Christianity because it was the sacred day on which the Lord rose.

I'm not trying to make any ties betweeen the Sabbath and Sunday, nor do I claim Sunday worship supplanted the Sabbath because they are unrelated. But early Sunday worship turned into our modern day observance of Church on Sunday. Though it does seem that on a social scale this observance did seem to replace the traditional observance of the Sabbath (which was no longer required) in the life of the Church.

 

[John the Baptist]

More stuff from Rev. 17:5 no less!

John here:

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day. ..." Rev. 1:10 Is the sunday???

"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: .." Gen. 2:3

And a God that NEVER CHANGES said: "The sabbath was made for man, ... Therefore the Son of man is Lord also over the sabbath." Mark 2:27-28 (and who says that this is Eze.. 9:16-18 sun stuff?! they best see the closing verses of The Book! along with Ecclesiastes 3:14)

"But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God; .." Ex.. 20:10 (along with 2 Corinthians 4:2)

Ex.. 20:11 "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and the Lord rested the seventh day: [wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.]"

If one would take 'self' and surrender it, they might know who it was that Paul was talking about in Neh. 9:6 & verses 12-17, if they are not stiffnecked! He says not to be IGNORANT as to Christ being the Rock that followed them! 1 Cor. 10:1-4. Compare Acts 7:38!

Regardless: Neh. 9:14 is clearly stated for what day is the Lords day! "And madest known unto them THY HOLY SABBATH, .."

 

[John the Baptist]

Are the Daughters coming back home to Rome?

"And Catholicism Speaks"

"We hold upon earth the place of God Almighty."
-Pope Leo X111, in an Encyclical Letter-

"We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
-Doctrinal Catechism, 1957 , page 50.
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Rome has gone the way of satan. Her cup is James 1:15 'Filled up'! She has not only Blasphemed against the Holy Ghost of Matthew 12:31-32, but she has boasted that she is 'god'! One can readily see that she is a 'Christ/less fold' (Revelation 3:9) Most all church's through the reformation knew that 1 John 5:16-17 had found her as a corrupt antichrist fold that had sinned this sin 'unto death'! With a closed probational door!

Malachi 3:6
"I am the Lord, I change not."
(but Rome says that He does! Who is the LIAR?)

Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
(that makes the Everlasting Gospel & the Everlasting Covenant of Revelation 14:6 & Hebrews 13:20 have Christ [ETERNALLY IMMORTAL] and unchanging)

Exodus 20:1-17
(This is the Everlasting Covenant of the Godhead that they penned in their own handwriting, and that they wrote themselves. Also check out James 2:8-12 & Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
And Rome says that they changed this eternal Covenant! See Daniel 7:25 for whose working desire they follow!
Also check out Cain in Genesis 4:7.

1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
(yet the devil says no, fall down and worship me! Even kiss his ring, huh? See Revelation 22:8-10 & Acts 10:25-26!!)

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
(This Rome 'thumbs her nose' at & does also! Ezekiel 8:16-18)


5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
(Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them!)

6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Yet, 'c'hristian Rome boasts of even a low estimate of over 150 million Christian martyr's slain by them as is documented in Fox Book of Martyrs! See Revelation 17:1-5 again!

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; (compare Mark 7:7 for this open documented even boastful blasphemy!) for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
(We think that this means swearing only perhaps? But check Mark 7:7 clearly for [VAIN WORSHIP] & for keeping the commandments of men! The pope on down)

8 Remember the Sabbath day, [to keep it holy.]

9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:

10 But the [seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God:] in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in [six days] the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: [wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it]. And Rome says that 'we' changed the day of worship 'boastfully'. They are past/tense saving as a church, period! Matthew 12:31-32's ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH ones of Revelation 17:5.

(you can read their open documentation of heavenly Recorded Blasphemy & see why there are the Rev. 17:1-5 ones + their [mass] killings! Compare Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)

12 Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

13 Thou shalt not kill.
(their tally will include millions even of the second death ones because of false doctrines! Check the closing verses of the Book of Revelation 22:18-19, that of adding to or removing from the Word of God!)

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
(but their worse sin is their 'spiritual adultery & whore/doms with the devil & his doctrine of Rev. 13!)

15 Thou shalt not steal.
(this does not even merit comment with the money that they have stolen from 'ignorant' sincere Catholics!)

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Deuteronomy 5:20 Matthew 19:18 Mark 10:19 Luke 18:20 Romans 13:9 & don't forget 2 Corinthians. 4:2.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.
Mark 10:19 Romans 13:9
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Then Luke 12:47-48 tells who are the MOST GUILTY! The ones who [VIOLATE OPENLY, THE ETERNAL COVENANT OF THE GODHEAD!]

1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: [for sin is the transgression of the law.] (the Eternal Covenant of the Universe!)

1 John 2:4 He that saith, [I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.]

Isaiah 8:20 [To the law] (Eternal Covenant that God Himself WROTE!) and to the testimony: (The Bible) [if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is *no light in them.]

Ecclesiastes 3:14
I know that, whatsoever God doeth, [it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it]: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

(notice the verse of Rev. below!)
Revelation 22:18-21
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of [this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:]

19 And if [any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part *out of the book of life], and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(this goes right along with the Eccl. verse. Rome [is] THE ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH!! Rev. 17:5
This is the compilers caps, but OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT HER in the daily News print, and on daily T.V. World News in just the past few years! Yet, her name as a Christian fold or church has never been recorded with the seven church's of Rev. 3 in the first place!
This FAITH has made a COVENANT with the devil himself! See Genesis 4:7's fruit sacrifice for Eternal Covenant breaking! + James 2:8-12.

**[Yet, inside of Rome, Christ has His IGNORANT PEOPLE still in 'yoked membership' who MUST LEAVE her yoked bondage! Along with the ones of verse 5!.. her Harlot daughters, see Revelation 18:4] But ask yourself, if you think that any of these that are posting up these posts that we are seeing here, have not had ample time to be 'LED' of the Holy Ghost? Romans 8:14** And, YES, that works both ways! Obadiah 1:16

---John

 

[SputnikBoy]

I'm not trying to make any ties betweeen the Sabbath and Sunday, nor do I claim Sunday worship supplanted the Sabbath because they are unrelated. But early Sunday worship turned into our modern day observance of Church on Sunday. Though it does seem that on a social scale this observance did seem to replace the traditional observance of the Sabbath (which was no longer required) in the life of the Church.

Um ...where in the Bible does it state that observance of the Sabbath was no longer required? While I take what Paul said in a number of cases with a grain of salt, he doesn't say that either.

 

[John the Baptist]

Neither 'post' merits a second thought. :robot: ---John

 

[cyberjosh]

Um ...where in the Bible does it state that observance of the Sabbath was no longer required? While I take what Paul said in a number of cases with a grain of salt, he doesn't say that either.

This has been discussed by me in another thread before, I can dig it up if you want, but I don't want to clutter or clout the current issue. So please don't ignore everything else I said.

If you would, one way or another, please acknowledge or reply to every thing else I said. For example, do you not now see the proof for the "Lord's Day" refering to Sunday? And you didn't respond about what I said about Synagogues. Please quote from the post as you go along, so that I know which specific points that you are addressing. Thanks.

~Josh

 

[cyberjosh]

So that we can continue a parrallel discussion in another thread here is that thread that I mentioned that I posted my thoughts about the Sabbath in. I wasn't too clear about my exact ideas about the Sabbath either here nor there, though please try to read the first 2 pages before posting so that you see what has already been discussed, so I will have to clarify on my views once we get talking on this subject again.

Edit: I just noticed, we were the one's who had this discussion before, we just never finished it (John and I took over and you never quoted and responded to the rest of my posts - and I never responded to your last post either). I also noticed that the discussion was alot more peaceful than it has gotten in this thread.

 

[SputnikBoy]

This has been discussed by me in another thread before, I can dig it up if you want, but I don't want to clutter or clout the current issue. So please don't ignore everything else I said.

If you would, one way or another, please acknowledge or reply to every thing else I said. For example, do you not now see the proof for the "Lord's Day" refering to Sunday?

You've given me proof that the "Lord's Day" is referring to Sunday ...? Not at all. In fact, as long as you're wanting to make it 'a specific day' as opposed to it being a reference to last day events, let us do that then.

There are two scriptures that would quite clearly state that the "Lord's Day" is the 7th-day Sabbath. We're told in Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5, of course, that Jesus referred to Himself as being "Lord of the Sabbath." It doesn't take too much a stretch of the imagination to therefore conclude that the "Lord's Day" (the Sabbath) is the DAY of which He (Jesus) is LORD. If I have to make a specific day (*I don't believe this, by the way) from Revelation 1:10, then the "Lord's Day" would be none other than the 7th-day Sabbath. How can I see this and you not?

Better yet is Isaiah 58:13 ...try this one on for size:

"If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD'S (HOLY) DAY honorable . . ." Emphasis mine.

Sunday? I don't think so. There is NO reference in the scriptures that can have anyone arriving at the "Lord's Day" being a Sunday. If you check out the RC Catechism you'll find where this corruption of scripture came from initially.

*Note: I believe the "Lord's Day" to be referring to 'the day of the Lord' as found many times in the book of Isaiah. This is the theme of the Book of Revelation.

And you didn't respond about what I said about Synagogues. Please quote from the post as you go along, so that I know which specific points that you are addressing. Thanks.

Sorry. I'll have to go and recheck that post. I'll get back with you. Thanks.