Democrat Senator Mendez and child prostitution

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  1. godsquadgeek

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    Too bad he's not pals with Trump. He could get a handslap for it, like Trump's pedophile friend.
     
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    Maybe he is Catholic and he could hide out in the Vatican.....I mean, they have had a lot of practice hiding these kinds of people, right?
     
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    Or in the US in some evangelical denomination...

    Amazing words from one of Billy Graham’s grandsons, a Liberty University law professor who investigates sexual abuse among Evangelicals:


    The Christian mission field is a “magnet” for sexual abusers, Boz Tchividjian, a Liberty University law professor who investigates abuse said Thursday (Sept. 26) to a room of journalists.


    While comparing evangelicals to Catholics on abuse response, ”I think we are worse,” he said at the Religion Newswriters Association conference, saying too many evangelicals had “sacrificed the souls” of young victims.


    “Protestants can be very arrogant when pointing to Catholics,” said Tchividjian, a grandson of evangelist Billy Graham and executive director of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (GRACE), which has investigated sex abuse allegations.


    Earlier this summer, GRACE spearheaded an online petition decrying the “silence” and “inattention” of evangelical leaders to sexual abuse in their churches.
    http://www.theamericanconservative....e-than-catholics-billy-graham-grandson-abuse/

    Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.

    These are findings from national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources (CMR), a tax and legal-advice publisher serving more than 75,000 congregations and 1,000 denominational agencies nationwide.
    https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html

    So far, evangelicals have been reluctant to admit the problem, and this has kept them from doing anything meaningful about it, as the Catholic Church has done.


     
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    Sorry barb, no one even comes close to the vatican when it comes to this topic.....but nice try.....
     
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    Yeah, I forgot he was friends with the Clintons.
     
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    Oh, yeah, the story even Alex Jones called a fake. Who'd be dumb enough to buy that story?
     
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    Barbarian mentions Trump's pedophile friend.

    Yes, he was...

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    The major difference is, President Clinton didn't reward the prosecutor who gave the pedophile a slap on the wrist for raping children. Trump did.
     
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    Christian science monitor is the best you got? Not biased at all..
     
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    Notice that the data came from a Christian organization that serves many different denominations. Granted, some people don't consider Christians to be reliable witnesses.

    Is that your argument?
     
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    it's not a reliable source, christian science is a christian cult seeking to undermine the general assembly of christianity to make their particular recipe taste better. Their recipe has heresy which is why they never took off, but i don't put it far from them to make sensationalistic and unscholarly claims to create strawman arguments against christianity. Point refuted.
     
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    The article is citing a Christian organization not affiliated with Christian Science. As you see, there is a lot more child abuse in Protestant denominations, partially because The Church has worked to address the issue and prevent it from happening as it happened in the past. Denial in some evangelical denominations has led to more abuse.

    Author Jeri Massi says abuse victims have been written off, discarded and even vilified in the pulpits of both Independent Baptists and the Southern Baptist Convention. Her The Big Book of Bad Baptist Preachers catalogues 100 cases of preachers and churches involved in child molestation scandals in the last 20 years.

    “The sexual abuse of children is part and parcel of the cultures of the Independent Baptists and Southern Baptists,” Massi says in the book’s introduction.


    When confronted by the scale of the problem, she says, Baptist leadership has “at best turned a deaf ear and at worst has countered with threats and intimidation.”


    Massi says abuse victims and their advocates are routinely accused of “painting with a broad brush.” In her own Independent Fundamental Baptist tradition, she says she has been depicted as sexually promiscuous, a drug addict and a witch and had her life threatened three times.


    Whistleblowers don’t fare much better in the Southern Baptist Convention, she says, quoting SBC leaders denouncing the advocacy group Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests as “opportunists motivated by personal gain” and “just as reprehensible as sex criminals.”


    Contrary to claims by many church leaders, Massi says the problem of clergy sex abuse of children in conservative Baptist churches is indeed large scale, and it isn’t going to go away. Yet Baptist leaders have been reluctant to take steps to safeguard congregations like receiving and compiling abuse reports so offenders cannot remain in or re-enter the ministry.


    Massi says many churches embrace a dangerous fallacy that simply firing a pastor is a remedy for sin. Instead of relying on the legal system to weed out criminals, Massi suggests Baptist leaders have a moral responsibility to eradicate sexual predators who are never prosecuted and free to roam from church to church.


    Massi says readers will be surprised by the number of churches that rally around the perpetrator. “Most of these churches, in fact, ignore the victim,” she says. “Some harass the victims and their families. It is not unusual for a church to rally around an accused pastor right in front of the victim and victim’s family.”


    She also suggests watching out for the words “former pastor” or “former youth minister” in news stories about sex crimes. “A pastor who gets fired on Tuesday is a former pastor on Wednesday,” she says. “Usually when the media describes a suspect as a former church officer, it’s because he was fired or resigned in the last 24 hours.”


    Massi says the book is sadly a work in progress. She is only about a third of the way through her notes and plans to release a second volume in December adding another 60 cases she knows about, with the list growing every week.


    “Sex abuse is rampant in Baptist churches,” Massi says in a page at the end of the book that includes a form for individuals who have information about a case to fill out and submit for future volumes.
    https://baptistnews.com/article/book-documents-molestation-in-conservative-baptist-churches/

    And Baptists have been relatively more willing to address the problem of ministers and church employees molesting children. The issue is that the denomination hasn't taken steps for all churches; some have been very proactive in cleaning this up, and others remain in denial, even blaming the children when an adult molests them.


     
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    Vatican reveals how many priests defrocked for sex abuse since 2004
    GENEVA -- The Vatican revealed Tuesday that over the past decade, it has defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and sanctioned another 2,572 with lesser penalties, providing the first ever breakdown of how it handled the more than 3,400 cases of abuse reported to the Holy See since 2004.

    The Vatican's U.N. ambassador in Geneva, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, released the figures during a second day of grilling by a U.N. committee monitoring implementation of the U.N. treaty against torture.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vatican-reveals-how-many-priests-defrocked-for-sex-abuse-since-2004/

    I sure am glad my tithe money does not go to support such an organization as this, aren't you barb? I mean, it has gotta cost a lotta bucks, right?
    Clergy sex abuse settlements top $2.5 billion nationwide
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...use-settlement-cardinal-roger-mahony/1984217/
    Settlements and bankruptcies in Catholic sex abuse cases
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlements_and_bankruptcies_in_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
     
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    Give it a minute and somehow, some way, this too will be laid at the feet of Trump.

    If these allegations are true Mendez should lose more than his job. Freedom would be a nice sacrifice. Say for the rest of his life?
    Evil. And they're there representing our nation while seemingly abusing young girls in this way.
     
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    When you create an legalistic system where cardinals cannot marry, you create a perfect pool for which perversions grow. Holiness was created not from legalism but from liberation.
     
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    Or, those type pervs were perv before they took their vows. Celibacy doesn't produce pedophiles.
    When priests live together in the rectory, if they wanted to satisfy their carnal desires they could have satisfy that desire with consensual sex, Or, as a guy I knew who ultimately married a defrocked nun , seek companionship with a woman on the sly.
    There's nothing compelling pedophile priests but the fact that they're pedophiles.
     
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    well I believe that legalism produces sin in our lives, and no doubt they are involved with more sin due to that legalism. But even more so the vatican deals with sexual assault privately or used to, and didn't notify parents of child molestation cases. I am sure they are better now hopefully, but without accountability there can also breed wickedness. So both liberality or grace, and the desire for holiness as well as accountability is the recipe for success. If someone touches a child innappropriately they need to call the police. Our church has many rules, they won't even let males change diapers on female infants, nor can adult males go into the bathroom with any child. they wait outside. Rules are just that, accountability. and we have mandatory reporting, so if you mention that a child has been touched to a pastor or leader they automatically report to the authorities. So far in 25 years we have never had an issue with it. But other mega churches in the area have had problems. But again I only know of one evangelical church that had a child predator on staff in the last twenty years with a few hundred churches being represented in our county. It by and large is a mistaken in identity of the roman catholic church. But again if an evangelical church does happen to have this issue, it is easily resolved with the above rules. (our church is no longer a mega church, it's sort of a large medium size church now), due to some church splits over last five years. But it's all hush hush, and we don't really know the issues involved as it dealt with staff members. An internal division.
     
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    again its' a biased sample, 100 cases of molestation in 20 years among over 5 million members is not a lot. Thats five a year, and with that many, that's 1 in a million chances of being molested at a southern baptist church. See why I think your source is biased? Now if you could contrast that with sexual assault in the normal public, then that would be an honest comparison. In new york in one year with 5 million baseline there would have been 752 rapes in one year. Again the baptists have 5 a year. So that is .06% or less than one percent of the wickedness of the secular world. If anything this study proves christianity is healthy for society. I would think honestly with the secularization of christianity and the worldiness of many christian churches that molestation rates would be higher than they actually are. Which encourages me about christianity and it's work in the world of reproving sin.

    sources:
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/03/opinion/sutter-alaska-rape-list/
    http://www.sbc.net/BecomingSouthernBaptist/FastFacts.asp

    now say I use another source that says 25% of american children are molested before age 18, then that creates a much bigger picture. 73 million children, over 18 years. Means that 18 million molestations happen in 18 years or, 1 million a year, versus 5 a year. So again thats .000005% or five millionths of a percent of the secular world. in this study.

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    https://www.childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp
    https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/america-has-an-incest-problem/272459/
     
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    SBC churches are all independent. There is no hierarchy . They are a convention... IOW they convene because they agree on doctrine and there is no formal doctrine that they agree to. Contrary to popular opinion only 35% are actually Calvinist.

    And all pastors are called/hired by the churches they serve at. At every church I have attended the pastor is subjected to intense background checks. One time the person who was in charge of presenting the report from the investigator hid most of the report. It came out. Both were fired/resigned.
    Any child caught being abused was instantly reported to the authorities and sometimes one of the members (off duty police) did the arresting.

    Very small churches <50 members are where these reports of abuse are coming from. Because these small churches tend to ignore the advice of the other churches.
    Heard of one guy as an associate pastor get fired for having 3 affairs with women and one guy simultaneously then began working at another church (not Baptist) who was specifically warned by members of our church as to his behaviors. They kept him anyway.
    Since his behaviors weren't illegal we couldn't have him arrested. But we did ask some "alphabets" to look into him.
     
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