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Differentiating Will and Desire

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Our will and desire, and even God’s will and desire do not always coincide. For example, it’s His desire that “all men be saved,” for He desires not “that any should perish” (1Ti 2:4: 2Pe 3:9). Yet, His will is that “he that believeth not shall be damned” (Mark 16:16).

Though the believer’s will is not to sin, this is an impossibility, for the desire of our “old man” manifests itself in our thoughts, feelings and actions. The freedom we have in Christ from the “dominion” of our sin nature (Rom 6:14) lies within its inability to cause us to “sin willfully” (Heb 10:26), unlike the unregenerate whose will is to sin, being void of “His seed” (e.g. new nature – 1 John 3:9). So, for the regenerate the issue is not sinning or not—but in the will never to sin! The “will” is the individual’s choice and I believe is the primary determinate concerning guilt. Living a life of intentionally willing to do wrong manifests the absence of rebirth, because God is always working in those reborn—“to will and to do of His good pleasure” (Phil 2:13).

This will not to sin drives from the Spirit via the “new man” (nature of Christ – Col 3:10), which nature provides for us to be “partakers of the (Christ’s) divine nature” (2 Pet 1:4). One commentator on 1 John 3:9 writes that it’s in our sin nature that we sin, and that we in our new nature cannot sin, which I believe concurs with Romans 7:17, 20. This manifests ownership of personal sin, which keeps us aware of being God-dependent concerning freedom from its guilt and dominion.

Scripture clearly supports that the “old man” (sin nature) still resides in the regenerate (reborn), which understandably results in an inquiry “Why?” One can only suppose with uncertainty (since it’s not scripturally clear here), that it’s the same reason for its initial presence, which in my opinion could be for the purpose of being God-dependent concerning its resolution, seeing this Adamic nature affects the whole man; which often taints our personal understanding (resulting in inaccuracy) concerning spiritual things of the Scriptures, requiring the “mind of the Christ” for understanding (via the Spirit’s teaching).
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Our will and desire, and even God’s will and desire do not always coincide. For example, it’s His desire that “all men be saved,” for He desires not “that any should perish” (1Ti 2:4: 2Pe 3:9). Yet, His will is that “he that believeth not shall be damned” (Mark 16:16).

Though the believer’s will is not to sin, this is an impossibility, for the desire of our “old man” manifests itself in our thoughts, feelings and actions. The freedom we have in Christ from the “dominion” of our sin nature (Rom 6:14) lies within its inability to cause us to “sin willfully” (Heb 10:26), unlike the unregenerate whose will is to sin, being void of “His seed” (e.g. new nature – 1 John 3:9). So, for the regenerate the issue is not sinning or not—but in the will never to sin! The “will” is the individual’s choice and I believe is the primary determinate concerning guilt. Living a life of intentionally willing to do wrong manifests the absence of rebirth, because God is always working in those reborn—“to will and to do of His good pleasure” (Phil 2:13).

This will not to sin drives from the Spirit via the “new man” (nature of Christ – Col 3:10), which nature provides for us to be “partakers of the (Christ’s) divine nature” (2 Pet 1:4). One commentator on 1 John 3:9 writes that it’s in our sin nature that we sin, and that we in our new nature cannot sin, which I believe concurs with Romans 7:17, 20. This manifests ownership of personal sin, which keeps us aware of being God-dependent concerning freedom from its guilt and dominion.

Scripture clearly supports that the “old man” (sin nature) still resides in the regenerate (reborn), which understandably results in an inquiry “Why?” One can only suppose with uncertainty (since it’s not scripturally clear here), that it’s the same reason for its initial presence, which in my opinion could be for the purpose of being God-dependent concerning its resolution, seeing this Adamic nature affects the whole man; which often taints our personal understanding (resulting in inaccuracy) concerning spiritual things of the Scriptures, requiring the “mind of the Christ” for understanding (via the Spirit’s teaching).
NC
I think that a lot of people are confused about the makeup of a person's will. Many see it as an appendage of the soul that the soul uses to make choices. I think that Jonathan Edwards put his finger right on it when he defined the will as the person choosing. In this light, it puts the will into the center of the person and all the influences around it putting pressure to make choices.

When I say "putting pressure" to make choices, then desire is a pressure to make a choice. If I have no desire for something, then I am indifferent to that something, and I make no choice for it. If I have a desire to eat because I am hungry, then it drives me to seek food, which is a decision. In that process, I desire also to eat something I deem to be acceptable, or better than other foods, and so I make another choice. The dictionary shows us that the origin of the word "will" comes from Latin, Old English, etc. words meaning "wish" or "desire."

As Christians, we make choices about our relationship with God, because our faith puts pressure on our will (that is, on us) to make those choices. Our desire to live forever, our desire for peace with God, our desire to fulfill our calling, etc. all combine to make us desire to obey God more than fleshly desires to commit sin for pleasure. Gal. 5:16-21 tells us that we have conflicting desires in us, which is a spiritual warfare of sorts. "The flesh desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh." Sometimes we desire pleasures that oppose God's moral standard (i.e. God's law), and the Spirit reminds us of what God said on the subject, and so we have temptations that must be dealt with by faith. Another way to look at it is the conflict of wisdom against foolishness. Hopefully our desire for peace with God will be much deeper and greater than any desire for momentary immoral pleasure. If we fail in the test, we have opportunity to grow in our desire for pleasing God, thus loving God more than sin. There is always room for improvement.

I get the idea that God left us in the world not only to influence unbelievers to believe through the gospel, but also to become victorious over ourselves. Part of faith is growing faith, which means faithfulness, which means persevering in faith. If we had no inclination for sinning, we would have no means by which to endure in faith. And to endure in faith means that we must trust God through Christ for deliverance from sin; for the supernatural power to overcome our own fleshly desires. In order to obey God fully, we not only have to do the right thing (according to God's standard), but also we have to believe that God is with us in that endeavor. Therefore, temptations themselves become the opportunities to exercise the faith to overcome them. It takes believing that God is with us, as the scripture declares. It takes believing in God's forgiveness and patience toward us in order to practice forgiveness and patience toward others.

Our faith in Christ is how our wicked desires are overcome - 1 Jn. 5:4 "For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith." So then, faith is a desire of sorts. Faith is a desire for God. Desire for God's blessing, for His favor, for His eternal nature, to experience Him. And Biblical faith is trusting in God for all that He promises, including relationship. But I also contend that faith transcends feelings. If desire is seen as feelings, then faith is above it. Sometimes we find ourselves logically and wisely disregarding what we feel in the moment, because we want the long-term health of peace with God. And desiring long-term health means having an eternal viewpoint - 2 Cor. 4:16-18 "For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."
TD:)
 
I think that a lot of people are confused about the makeup of a person's will. Many see it as an appendage of the soul that the soul uses to make choices. I think that Jonathan Edwards put his finger right on it when he defined the will as the person choosing. In this light, it puts the will into the center of the person and all the influences around it putting pressure to make choices.

When I say "putting pressure" to make choices, then desire is a pressure to make a choice. If I have no desire for something, then I am indifferent to that something, and I make no choice for it. If I have a desire to eat because I am hungry, then it drives me to seek food, which is a decision. In that process, I desire also to eat something I deem to be acceptable, or better than other foods, and so I make another choice. The dictionary shows us that the origin of the word "will" comes from Latin, Old English, etc. words meaning "wish" or "desire."

As Christians, we make choices about our relationship with God, because our faith puts pressure on our will (that is, on us) to make those choices. Our desire to live forever, our desire for peace with God, our desire to fulfill our calling, etc. all combine to make us desire to obey God more than fleshly desires to commit sin for pleasure. Gal. 5:16-21 tells us that we have conflicting desires in us, which is a spiritual warfare of sorts. "The flesh desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh." Sometimes we desire pleasures that oppose God's moral standard (i.e. God's law), and the Spirit reminds us of what God said on the subject, and so we have temptations that must be dealt with by faith. Another way to look at it is the conflict of wisdom against foolishness. Hopefully our desire for peace with God will be much deeper and greater than any desire for momentary immoral pleasure. If we fail in the test, we have opportunity to grow in our desire for pleasing God, thus loving God more than sin. There is always room for improvement.

I get the idea that God left us in the world not only to influence unbelievers to believe through the gospel, but also to become victorious over ourselves. Part of faith is growing faith, which means faithfulness, which means persevering in faith. If we had no inclination for sinning, we would have no means by which to endure in faith. And to endure in faith means that we must trust God through Christ for deliverance from sin; for the supernatural power to overcome our own fleshly desires. In order to obey God fully, we not only have to do the right thing (according to God's standard), but also we have to believe that God is with us in that endeavor. Therefore, temptations themselves become the opportunities to exercise the faith to overcome them. It takes believing that God is with us, as the scripture declares. It takes believing in God's forgiveness and patience toward us in order to practice forgiveness and patience toward others.

Our faith in Christ is how our wicked desires are overcome - 1 Jn. 5:4 "For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith." So then, faith is a desire of sorts. Faith is a desire for God. Desire for God's blessing, for His favor, for His eternal nature, to experience Him. And Biblical faith is trusting in God for all that He promises, including relationship. But I also contend that faith transcends feelings. If desire is seen as feelings, then faith is above it. Sometimes we find ourselves logically and wisely disregarding what we feel in the moment, because we want the long-term health of peace with God. And desiring long-term health means having an eternal viewpoint - 2 Cor. 4:16-18 "For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal."
TD:)
Hi TD, and thanks for sharing your comments. I see some good instruction and much agreement in your reply! I've come to understand that faith and the rest of the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22) controls us by its Giver (Spirit of God). I see this fruit preceding us in everything we do. It's not that we are in control of any of it (esp. faith) but rather it is what controls us, via the Spirit its creator, who is also the Creator of our rebirth and new nature from Christ. I believe faith (and all His fruit) brings us along and not the inverse!

Appreciate the nice post and God's blessings to you!
 
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