Bible Study Differing Judgements

[Soul man]

As we stated before the mind functions either by the "knowledge of good and evil, or Grace (revelation knowledge).
When I first came into this understanding of "Christ as the life of the believer," and that's what it is 'an understanding,' I could see Christ in other believers for the first time.
I could see all the Father was doing now could be found "in Christ" only.
I noticed something was happening, I no longer had to judge other believers by their Denomination or some other affiliation, or what they believed, or their bible reading, or even church attendance.
What began to happen was the mind was starting to function by grace with no effort of my own.
Grace knowledge will not make you perfect in soul, but it is a start.
Grace knowledge does not mean you will never sin again, it simply means you're mind will begin to function in unison with your new nature.
For instance; the new nature has in it "the fruit of the Spirit."
So you are not living life as just a you, or just a self person, but you start to live according to the new you, in oneness with the Christ within.
This is part of the rest not having to judge everything and everyone in the world.
Yet the scriptures say "the spiritual man will judge all things."
That judgement is made based on your understanding of the Christ in you.
You judge other believers to be in Christ, and you view the humanity as being created in the image and likeness of God, no longer judging the world.
There is only one to judge, leave that to the wisdom and sovereignty of God, Romans 2:1-2
2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

You do what He called you to do and you will have plenty to do, you will not have time to solve the worlds problems.
We wonder why we're always in trouble and trying to work things out, quit judging everything that moves, you're no good at it so you might as well stop.
When we judge we will be judged by that same judgement, can you see that, it's quite simple.
I have known many self proclaimed doomsday prophets in my time that stayed in some kind of trouble.
So revelation becomes imparative to understand what God is doing, in Christ as well as in the world.
Now the mind begins to express Christ based on the amount of revelation it recieve's.
The amount of revelation depends on how much the believer is willing to yield their mind to the HolySpirit.
Christ will live His life through you by the renewing of your mind.
That is basically how you shall judge all things, 1 Cor. 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
Who can judge you when you have already judged yourself to be in Christ, and the world to be in the image and likeness of God.

 

[for_his_glory]

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

[JoChris]

As we stated before the mind functions either by the "knowledge of good and evil, or Grace (revelation knowledge).
When I first came into this understanding of "Christ as the life of the believer," and that's what it is 'an understanding,' I could see Christ in other believers for the first time.
I could see all the Father was doing now could be found "in Christ" only.
I noticed something was happening, I no longer had to judge other believers by their Denomination or some other affiliation, or what they believed, or their bible reading, or even church attendance.
What began to happen was the mind was starting to function by grace with no effort of my own.
Grace knowledge will not make you perfect in soul, but it is a start.
Grace knowledge does not mean you will never sin again, it simply means you're mind will begin to function in unison with your new nature.
For instance; the new nature has in it "the fruit of the Spirit."
So you are not living life as just a you, or just a self person, but you start to live according to the new you, in oneness with the Christ within.
This is part of the rest not having to judge everything and everyone in the world.
Yet the scriptures say "the spiritual man will judge all things."
That judgement is made based on your understanding of the Christ in you.
You judge other believers to be in Christ, and you view the humanity as being created in the image and likeness of God, no longer judging the world.
There is only one to judge, leave that to the wisdom and sovereignty of God, Romans 2:1-2
2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

You do what He called you to do and you will have plenty to do, you will not have time to solve the worlds problems.
We wonder why we're always in trouble and trying to work things out, quit judging everything that moves, you're no good at it so you might as well stop.
When we judge we will be judged by that same judgement, can you see that, it's quite simple.
I have known many self proclaimed doomsday prophets in my time that stayed in some kind of trouble.
So revelation becomes imparative to understand what God is doing, in Christ as well as in the world.
Now the mind begins to express Christ based on the amount of revelation it recieve's.
The amount of revelation depends on how much the believer is willing to yield their mind to the HolySpirit.
Christ will live His life through you by the renewing of your mind.
That is basically how you shall judge all things, 1 Cor. 2:15
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
Who can judge you when you have already judged yourself to be in Christ, and the world to be in the image and likeness of God.

How do you explain this verse? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+7:24&version=KJV

Do you really believe Christians should not judge others EVER?

 

[Chopper]

When I first studied Romans 2:1, I had just finished Romans 1:18 - 32. I thought to myself, WHAT?? I'm not to judge the homosexuals as wicked? I know that Yahweh just did, but if I don't, what justification do I have to seek Yahshua for their being born from above? (born again)

 

[Soul man]

How do you explain this verse? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+7:24&version=KJV

Do you really believe Christians should not judge others EVER?

Would you care to elaborate on righteous judgment by a believer.

 

[Soul man]

When I first studied Romans 2:1, I had just finished Romans 1:18 - 32. I thought to myself, WHAT?? I'm not to judge the homosexuals as wicked? I know that Yahweh just did, but if I don't, what justification do I have to seek Yahshua for their being born from above? (born again)

Our judgments as Christians is based on Christ.
Point being; we understand believers are in Christ period. No what if's, the scriptures are very clear on the matter.
We judge that the world is not in Christ and were created to be.
As far as Christians judging events that take place in the world; their best suited to stay neutral and keep preaching the gospel.
God can handle the world just fine without to much help.
Preaching against sins of the flesh is not the gospel, just because a person may quit sinning for a season has no relevance to the gospel.
You must be born again, and life must come to an individual to be a Christian.
One of the grossest mishandling of the word of God was the 911 event, when Christians stood and proclaimed God's judgment.
Wow! where can we get such an idea like this to blaspheme the blessed word of God.
The only death the Christian can claim is the death that took place on Calvary, 2 Cor. 5:14
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

 

[for_his_glory]

People need to quit judging and blaming God for all the bad stuff that happens in the world as He is the one who has the answer to the worlds problem.

2 Chronicles 7: 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

 

[Soul man]

People need to quit judging and blaming God for all the bad stuff that happens in the world as He is the one who has the answer to the worlds problem.

2 Chronicles 7: 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Yes He is the answer, God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son. No greater love, and we misinterpret at times how much the fall of Adam has effected the world.
It is like a birth defect in man as well as the world.
From natural disasters to the sin nature that plague the world.
Jesus said there would be trouble in the world, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.

 

[for_his_glory]

I went back to Romans 2:1 and read it a few times again and again. We do judge others for the same things we do in secret, but is it truly hidden from God that of what we do in secret or is it that we never think we are as guilty as the one we judge!
Something to think about there

 

[JoChris]

Would you care to elaborate on righteous judgment by a believer.

Just what Jesus said here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7&version=KJV

Verses 1-5 - take log out of own eye before picking out a speck does not mean "do not judge EVER". Do not be hypocritical when judging others e.g. a person not declaring all income on end-of-financial-year tax forms pointing finger at shoplifter.
Verse 6 - Jesus calling some people dogs and swine is both a judgemental statement AND a truthful one. To tell difference between e.g. ignorant-of-Gospel people and mockers requires judgement.
Verses 15-20 if we are to judge people by their fruits, then righteous judgement is permitted.

Apostle Paul https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+6:9-10&version=KJV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+corinthians+5&version=KJV
Verses 1-5 He commanded Corinthian church to expel adulterous church member until he repented.
Verses 11-13 He commanded Christians to not keep company with people who CLAIM to be Christian but are in serious unrepentant sin. That requires judgement of other people. Multiple other passages which tell Christians to separate from false believers.

Christians need to obey Jesus' commandment to judge righteously. Unfortunately well meaning people who permit false teachers and false converts to be part of the church - people who even atheists can tell are not real Christians - are causing the body of Christ to become ill from spiritual diseases and parasites.

 

[Soul man]

Verses 15-20 if we are to judge people by their fruits, then righteous judgement is permitted.

Thank you for your input

 

[th1b.taylor]

I went back to Romans 2:1 and read it a few times again and again. We do judge others for the same things we do in secret, but is it truly hidden from God that of what we do in secret or is it that we never think we are as guilty as the one we judge!
Something to think about there

A very worthy line of thought that needs more attention from every teacher, especially from teachers such as myself. I am oft seen teaching to judge the fruit of people with the first paragraph of Matt 7, because so many have taken the Worlds lying distortion and made the first verse into the Operative or Primary Verse but I am, likely not cautious enough to drive this caution strongly enough. Great point.

 

[Soul man]

I went back to Romans 2:1 and read it a few times again and again. We do judge others for the same things we do in secret, but is it truly hidden from God that of what we do in secret or is it that we never think we are as guilty as the one we judge!
Something to think about there

Yes as Taylor says a worthy point to consider. I helped out on a Outreach Ministry for a while one time, about a year I actually lived there.
Preach - teach and counseling, what I noticed was the ones that were blown out the worst when they got straightened up did the most judging of others.
You would have thought they had never sinned in their life.
I was taken back a bit because I knew them from the beginning.
You have to understand this place was for the worst of the worst, it was no fancy facility.
100 Acres in SoCal with 80-100 people at any given time. Many were court appointed, so they weren't volunteers.
I think a couple things happens, first they understand how the world can chew you up and spit you out. They wanted to be helpful but really didn't know how yet.
Second I think it's a natural reaction on the part of any human being regardless of their situation.
Some worse than others, I'm sure, but it does not matter judgment is judgment. Reminds me of some of the old time preachers talking about the holier than thou folk and gossip, " they never missed a meeting but they could stand in the living room and lick a skillet in the kitchen.
They talked about everybody, you have seen this type, my thought is my ears are not for you to dump your trash.

 

[Randy]

Paul=>What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
Jesus to those that sat in Moses seat=>You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

 

[for_his_glory]

A very worthy line of thought that needs more attention from every teacher, especially from teachers such as myself. I am oft seen teaching to judge the fruit of people with the first paragraph of Matt 7, because so many have taken the Worlds lying distortion and made the first verse into the Operative or Primary Verse but I am, likely not cautious enough to drive this caution strongly enough. Great point.

I think we get so caught up in the word sin itself that we get to earthly good to be any heavenly good. If one say I have sinned I ask them what there sin is since all fall short at times. When you point a finger at someone three of those fingers point back to you.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Yes as Taylor says a worthy point to consider. I helped out on a Outreach Ministry for a while one time, about a year I actually lived there.
Preach - teach and counseling, what I noticed was the ones that were blown out the worst when they got straightened up did the most judging of others.
You would have thought they had never sinned in their life.
I was taken back a bit because I knew them from the beginning.
You have to understand this place was for the worst of the worst, it was no fancy facility.
100 Acres in SoCal with 80-100 people at any given time. Many were court appointed, so they weren't volunteers.
I think a couple things happens, first they understand how the world can chew you up and spit you out. They wanted to be helpful but really didn't know how yet.
Second I think it's a natural reaction on the part of any human being regardless of their situation.
Some worse than others, I'm sure, but it does not matter judgment is judgment. Reminds me of some of the old time preachers talking about the holier than thou folk and gossip, " they never missed a meeting but they could stand in the living room and lick a skillet in the kitchen.
They talked about everybody, you have seen this type, my thought is my ears are not for you to dump your trash.

Amen! When I was in the Prison Ministry we dealt with Homosexual Murderers, Cop Killers and worse. The an I recall the best was Smiling Mike. Mike had been in Lock-Up for thirty six years before they let him out on Permanent Probation. Mike was a Biker and with his pistol against the Officer's temple he murdered him. Mike was seventeen when he did that.

Having family that are or were Officers, I would and before Salvation I did naturally hate Cop Killers. And all the time I was raised up by the Black Sheep of her family to be a very good liar and a thief. But one of those mean cops was the one that instead of taking the Little Thief to Juvvie, cared for him and even carried him home when needed.

We helped Mike after he got out the Joint and after the first year he finally gave up his need to return to the System and began to enjoy the freedom Jesus has brought him inside and outside of the Joint. But Mike tends to never forget he was convicted during the Federally enforced moratorium on our Gas Chamber. He says God saved him twice.

But he is a jewel because I never saw him get the Better Than Thou Attitude.

 

[for_his_glory]

Throw away people (what some call them) are judged for their present and past as someone deemed to never change and just aren't worth the time. Praise the Lord that He never thought that way.

When I was going into prisons teaching the word of God I use to tell the inmates the only difference between them an me was that they got caught and I never did. I'm not perfect, but faith in Christ has led me to not be the person I use to be.