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Dear everyone,
I do not want to step on toes, and i do not know the whole history of this site,
including the reasons to make a ban on the discussion of conspiracies prohibited by ToS.

I however would like to address this in respectful manner, because it is a topic that concerns us all.
Assuming we all believe in free speech and even more importantly, Truth, the word of God.

My point is this: there are conspiracies in the world, they factually , provably exist.
By prohibiting any discussion about a possible conspiracy (thus : a conspiracy theory) we limit ourselves,
and it is irresponsible to do so, considering that Conspiracy is a Biblical topic.

Psalm 83:3
They make shrewd plans against Your people, And conspire together against Your treasured ones.
Jeremiah 11:9
Then the LORD said to me, "A conspiracy has been found among the men of Judah and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Ezekiel 22:25
"There is a conspiracy of her prophets in her midst like a roaring lion tearing the prey They have devoured lives; they have taken treasure and precious things; they have made many widows in the midst of her.
How can we avoid speaking about conspiracies, when the Lord God does so, and we are to study the word ?

or , as i said, in attempt to explain my sentiments on this to Brother Mike this evening:
i read i the ToS about conspiracy theories , but just what qualifies as such ?
I mean if you or I question/doubt the motives of say NASA, the EU ,MI5 /MI6 , Any president of the US or their deaths, the FED or Central Banking, Monsanto CORP. The Russians or Chinese, you are venturing into conspiracies and information surpressed by small elite groups quite quickly.
If Scripture tells us we didnt land on the moon or never made it into "outer space" , should we censor ourselves and consider ourselves "tinfoil hat conspiracy believers".. ?!!? Not me.
what say you all ?
 

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This isn't a democracy.
The rules of this site are there for their own reasons. It's not mine to judge except as to my preference to engage in discourse with those found on this site.
As I enjoy such discourse I know I must adhere to the rules that govern it...or find another site to engage in discourse.

IOW love it or leave it.
 
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As if there is not enough information to "discuss and engage" from scripture in theology? :lol

I think any half cocked ideas could fly in the "End Times" section or "Current Events." :lol

I wasted an hour or so recently entertaining a couple video clips about the supposed "flat earth," if you can believe that one is resurfacing.

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Dear everyone,
I do not want to step on toes, and i do not know the whole history of this site,
including the reasons to make a ban on the discussion of conspiracies prohibited by ToS.

I however would like to address this in respectful manner, because it is a topic that concerns us all.
Assuming we all believe in free speech and even more importantly, Truth, the word of God.

My point is this: there are conspiracies in the world, they factually , provably exist.
By prohibiting any discussion about a possible conspiracy (thus : a conspiracy theory) we limit ourselves,
and it is irresponsible to do so, considering that Conspiracy is a Biblical topic.







How can we avoid speaking about conspiracies, when the Lord God does so, and we are to study the word ?

or , as i said, in attempt to explain my sentiments on this to Brother Mike this evening:


what say you all ?
I say that there is a vast difference between conspiracy theories and what you have given here from the Bible. The mere use of the word "conspiracy" does not mean that one is talking about "conspiracy theories".
 
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If you want a reason, here's one that might satisfy ya. Conspiracies rarely have much evidance to go on and end up being a flair up of a subject with very little to go on or support it. If it gets in the way of other topics or acts as a divide among those in the discussions then maybe taking it out completely is the best solution.

That said I think I know where your coming from. My advise though is to find another place to voice the views, the concerns of conspiracies, and whether they are true or not. Let the focus here be about what can help us in our fellowship with one another, and the topics concerning our faith and understanding.
 
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I say that there is a vast difference between conspiracy theories and what you have given here from the Bible. The mere use of the word "conspiracy" does not mean that one is talking about "conspiracy theories".
I agree, but if we are to take the Bible literally , as Brother Mike pointed out,
and substanciate our findings with scripture, as he did..

many scientific ideas like for instance evolution and a lot of other theories,
or perhaps the entire secular movement can rightfully be called conspiracies in the face of God and Biblical Christianity.


If I were to postulate that the above is my opinion, i state a CONSPIRACY THEORY
so technically, in theory, i have now violated the ToS.

Conspiracies rarely have much evidance to go on and end up being a flair up of a subject with very little to go on or support it. If it gets in the way of other topics or acts as a divide among those in the discussions then maybe taking it out completely is the best solution.
Ok , so you say -conspiracies- , not conspiracy theories, but actual conspiracies
-conspiracies- by definition have evidence and substance, there are many examples, historical and actual, in the Bible and extra-biblical also.

My advise is though is to find another place to voice the views, the concerns of conspiracies, and whether they are true or not. Let the focus here be about what can help us in our fellowship with one another, and the topics concerning our faith and understanding.
I will very considerately make up my mind abut that, and ask God for guidance,
but i will ask of you to consider where the boundries are, what is a conspiracy and a mere outlandish theory?
especially when a long term member here back their argument or opinion with Scripture.

Blessings ~
 
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I agree, but if we are to take the Bible literally , as Brother Mike pointed out,
and substanciate our findings with scripture, as he did..

many scientific ideas like for instance evolution and a lot of other theories,
or perhaps the entire secular movement can rightfully be called conspiracies in the face of God and Biblical Christianity.


If I were to postulate that the above is my opinion, i state a CONSPIRACY THEORY
so technically, in theory, i have now violated the ToS.
Things scientific involving evolution are to be discussed in the proper forum and are not conspiracy theories. They are discussions of how the Bible relates to science. To say what you have said is not a conspiracy theory, at least not in the same sense as JFK and such. And I would disagree that anything was actually Biblically substantiated, but that is all I am going to say on that.
 
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Conspiracies theories are generally matters of faith in the absence of objective evidence. Yet never faith in the positive as we have with religion, but always faith in the negative, such that they expose what emotional desires are corrupting one's belief system.
 

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I can see this thread will not last long as it is impossible for it to adhere to the forum rules and guidelines. But I will try to answer the question of the OP. I was not here when the restriction was added to the site ToS and maybe someone with more longevity can correct me if I'm wrong but it has been my understanding that conspiracy theory discussion tend to take a dive over the deep end rather quickly and turn into too much bickering and in some cases all out fighting. As a result it was decided in the best interest of CFnet to limit or prohibit certain topics to prevent this problem.
 
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I was the person who wrote the conspiracy ban into the Terms of Service a few years ago.

Around that time, we had many conspiracy threads going for a long time and they always ended in division, slander and gossip. They are largely based not off of fact but coincidence and opinion and divide the community. It was not a nice experience having these threads on the forums. So we decided to not have them on here.

Would I like to discuss conspiracy theories? Of course! Just as I would love to discuss Roman Catholic doctrine, but there are some things that divide the community here more so than others. I would rather limit or ban certain topics rather than risk dividing the Body of Christ. We must be united as one Body.
 
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Assuming we all believe in free speech and even more importantly, Truth, the word of God.
We do believe in free speech. However, this site is a private business, so the free speech rule does not legally apply. And also, see my post above.

My point is this: there are conspiracies in the world, they factually , provably exist.
By prohibiting any discussion about a possible conspiracy (thus : a conspiracy theory) we limit ourselves,
and it is irresponsible to do so, considering that Conspiracy is a Biblical topic.
conspiracies are not a biblical topic. Even so, there are some Biblical topics that are discussions we can have about certain doctrines in the Bible such as serpent seed and universal reconciliation, but these are heretical and we do not allow them to be discussed.

You can't use the Bible as a reason to discuss anything. If it becomes a problem for the community to discuss it, then it becomes harmful to the Body. We don't want or need that.

At the end of the day, if you wish to discuss conspiracy theories, there are other forums to discuss that on.
 
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First of all, thank you everyone for the support, and to Spaglard for being bold and asking the right questions.

It was my post, I brought it up because I had posted more than one scripture to prove what the scripture was saying.
These are not hard to understand doctrinal scriptures like Serpent seed Doctrine. These scriptures are easy to understand and clearly say what they say.

A conspiracy theory is what we talk about when we say it was Mickey Mouse who knocked down our twin towers. There is no factual evidence of that but what said A says over Side B.

I did not use Side A and Side B Arguments.

I used what God said.

A Psalm of Asaph. The God of gods--Jehovah--hath spoken, And He calleth to the earth From the rising of the sun unto its going in.
(Psa 50:1 YLT)

Also, the sun rises and the sun sets; And hastening to its place it rises there again.
(Ecc 1:5 NASB)
A Psalm of Asaph. The Mighty One, God, the LORD, has spoken, And summoned the earth from the rising of the sun to its setting.
(Psa 50:1 NASB)

Moons light not dependant on the sun? Who told us the Sun is what lights the moon? Not God.
For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not flash forth their light; The sun will be dark when it rises And the moon will not shed its light.
(Isa 13:10 NASB)

Earth held up by pillars?
He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.
(1Sa 2:8 KJV)

The World can not be moved, not traveling in space and 1,000's of miles per hour? Not rotating/?
The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
(Psa 93:1 KJV)

We do believe in free speech. However, this site is a private business, so the free speech rule does not legally apply. And also, see my post above.


conspiracies are not a biblical topic. Even so, there are some Biblical topics that are discussions we can have about certain doctrines in the Bible such as serpent seed and universal reconciliation, but these are heretical and we do not allow them to be discussed.
Serpent seed is not a biblical topic, nothing in that doctrine comes out and says what is claimed. Universal Reconciliation is not a biblical topic, there are several scriptures that counter that.

Nothing counters in Scripture that the Earth is a stationary object that the Sun moves and rotates around, that the Earth has edges and corners, and the Earth has ends. NOTHING in Scripture counter that or leave anything to the imagination.

NASA counters that, the ones the feed us Evolution, tell us the earth is billions of years old. The ones that put a globe in your classroom since you were little.

Scripture does not counter that, like all the other suspect doctrines that do have counter scriptures.

So.....

A) Someone got a little upset, understanding all the scientific evidence that support the scripture on this and deleted my whole post.

B) Someone thinks we are all just a bunch of immature brats who can't handle discussing scripture on certain topics.

C) Someone deleted my post with no regard to the fact I used plain and easy to understand scriptures, and who does not believe the Word in a literal way. (I guess it's all figurative when it comes to something I don't want to believe. Seems to be the case)

If God said the Sun moves around the Earth, (IN TWO SCRIPTURES!!!!) then I would be much quicker to believe God, than what I have been fed all my life in the classroom. Sadly for some here, that is not the case.

However, it's not my forum, I don't care anymore. I thought it would be fun to present this idea of a flat earth, but I would never done so had I not run into Scripture after Scripture proves these crazy flat earth folks just might be correct.

I thought Wrong.

Mike.
 
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Yea it is a bit twisted. Its like people are not allowed to share there own thought.

There are some intelligent people out there who are blocked from sharing there own studies because it contradicts the system that the world has brainwashed people to believe and follow.

Anything that contradicts the mainstream system is banned.
 
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Brother Mike I'm not going to comment publicly about your thread; that would be a breach of the ToS. You have already made your case in the Talk With The Staff forum.

kiwidan I'm curious, what do you mean by "mainstream"?
Regardless, should we then be allowed to say anything on these forums?
 
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Just another thing. We haven't allowed Catholic doctrine on here for at least 7 years now. Similar reasons to the conspiracy stuff - it divides and almost wrecked the site actually. But Catholic doctrine discussions are discussing the Bible. This alone doesn't mean we need to discuss it here. As I said, it almost wrecked both community and staff in half.

Some things are better discussed in certain places and not others.
 
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