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DavidC

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I would like to learn more about the dispensations, do they really exist, what does it mean? Why are they necessary? Anything else would be great.

I am in no way saying I am a dispensationalist, I just want to learn about this theology.

Would others be willing to help me to understand?
Thanks.
 
My opinion.. dispensations as we know the term are some guys idea of Scripture ... To me dispensations as we know the term are not a good teaching..
Others here will disagree wiht my thoughts ...
 
The 4 times the word 'dispensation' is use in Scripture this is the Strong's definition

G3622
οἰκονομία
oikonomia
oy-kon-om-ee'-ah
From G3623; administration (of a household or estate); specifically a (religious) “economy”: - dispensation, stewardship.
 
"Dispensations" , when not turned into 'Hyper-Dispensationalism", is absolutely valid theology.

Lets define it.
What is it?
What is a "bible" dispensation?
Very simple.
Its how God deals throughout history, with man, with creation... And He deals differently at different times.

Here is another way to validate "dispensational teaching"......You've read...."study to show yourself approved unto GOD....>rightly dividing<" the word"..
So, do you "rightly divide"?... Of course.........Yet, how do you divide a bible, so that you show yourself approved unto God.???
Well, to "rightly divide" is to understand "dispensations".

So, then, can there be a real issue with dispensational teaching?
What is it?
Nothing....as long as its used according to scripture, used wisely, and used without trying to prove a heresy.
See, the issue with people, and the bible, is that some get obsessed with things in the word, like......"tongues", or "baptism", or "sons of God", or "Acts 2:38".... and they just lose themselves in the pursuit of this one topic, and try to make the bible teach their obsession.
Their pastor does it, their mother does it, so they do it also.
This is how heresy begins, and how heretics function.
It spreads like a mental virus.
Another example would be "prosperity gospel".......as we see so many on TV who are out of balance with this teaching, and not because prosperity is not biblical, but because they are only interested in this one topic.
Its fine to teach...."when you let go of something from your hand, then God lets go of something from His".
Its fine to teach..."you cant out give God".
But if that is ALL you ever teach, preach, or talk about......!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, that is a balance problem...they are out of theological balance, and because they are, then the financial security that God would have us enjoy, gets distorted from the pulpit and twisted and abused, and then ALL prosperity teaching gets demonized by the other side heretics who believe that if you are poor and in rags, you have proven you are "spiritual".
They believe that "taking up your cross and denying yourself" means you are to live in a shack with rats, eat from a dumpster, and count your kid's ribs every night before you tuck them in their dirty sheets.
So, you have crazies on both sides of the "prosperity gospel" issue, just like you will find anytime a bible truth gets mangled out of recognition and "taught".

So, back to the point.
You are told to " rightly divide the word", and so, this means the word has divisions in it, or = dispensations.
Let me give you the safe ones, the sure ones, the proven ones.... and then you grasp these and need to go no farther, as with these you are correct and have the truth.

1. From Genesis To Moses....... This is a dispensation, where, there was no law........As "the law came by Moses".

2. From Moses to the Cross........This is a dispensation, that was all about the Law, as Christ had not shown up yet to redeem us from the curse of the law.

3. From the Cross until the Tribulation... This is a dispensation, where you have the "time of the gentiles". and God is calling all to come and freely receive His Free Gift of Righteousness.

4. The Great Tribulation ........This is a dispensation where Grace is gone, Faith + Works has begun, and things get pretty dark.
(try to miss it)

5.. The Millennial Reign of Christ.....This is a dispensation where Christ rules and reigns ON EARTH, and we are right there with Him.

So, those 5, are all you really need, and if you stay there, and away from the crazies who would turn the bible into micro dispensations of their own choosing.......If you will avoid them, then you are good to go.

If you want a little more......Then One Book you might try is : "Dispensational Truth",....by Clarence Larkin.
He is pretty safe, and this book has a lot of useful info.
But no matter, just go with those 5 ive listed, and you're doing great.
 
The 4 times the word 'dispensation' is use in Scripture this is the Strong's definition

G3622
οἰκονομία
oikonomia
oy-kon-om-ee'-ah
From G3623; administration (of a household or estate); specifically a (religious) “economy”: - dispensation, stewardship.
Thank you, Reba. This is very helpful. Most everyone I know does not believe in dispensations, so it could be I won't either. Thank you!
 
Hi again DavidC, and although I have transcribed, and posted a much more detailed study at http://christianforums.net/Fellowship/index.php?threads/dispensations.64514/, I will just paste the following notes by Scofield. If you can see this, the longer version will be in order. :)

Dispensations - Notes by Scofield from The Online Bible

1. The method or scheme according to which God carries out his purposes towards men is called a dispensation. There are usually reckoned three dispensations, the Patriarchal, the Mosaic or Jewish, and the Christian. These were so many stages in God's unfolding of his purpose of grace toward men. The word is not found with this meaning in Scripture.

2. A commission to preach the gospel 1 Corinthians 9:17. Ephesians 1:10 3:2. Colossians 1:25. Dispensations of Providence are providential events which affect men either in the way of mercy or of judgment.

A dispensation is a period of time during which man is tested in respect of obedience to some specific revelation of the will of God. Seven such dispensations are distinguished in Scripture.

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The First Dispensation: Innocency. Genesis 1:28 note. Man was created in innocency, placed in a perfect environment, subjected to an absolutely simple test, and warned of the consequence of disobedience. The woman fell through pride; the man deliberately. #1Ti 2:14 God restored His sinning creatures, but the dispensation of innocency ended in the judgment of the Expulsion #Gen 3:24 See, for the other dispensations;

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The Second Dispensation: Conscience or moral responsibility. Genesis 3:7 By disobedience man came to a personal and experimental knowledge of good and evil -- of good as obedience, of evil as disobedience to the known will of God. Through that knowledge conscience awoke. Expelled from Eden and placed under the second, or ADAMIC COVENANT, man was responsible to do all known good, to abstain from all known evil, and to approach God through sacrifice. The result of this second testing of man is stated in Genesis 6:5 and the dispensation ended in the judgment of the Flood. Apparently "the east of the garden" Genesis 3:24 where were the cherubims and the flame, remained the place of worship through this second dispensation.

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The Third Dispensation: Human Government. Genesis 8:15 note. Under Conscience, as in Innocency, man utterly failed, and the judgment of the Flood marks the end of the second dispensation and the beginning of the third. The declaration of the Noahic Covenant subjects humanity to a new test. Its distinctive feature is the institution, for the first time, of human government -- the government of man by man. The highest function of government is the judicial taking of life. All other governmental powers are implied in that. It follows that the third dispensation is distinctively that of human government. Man is responsible to govern the world for God. That responsibility rested upon the whole race, Jew and Gentile, until the failure of Israel under the Palestinian Covenant (Deuteronomy 28.-30.1-10) brought the judgment of the Captivities, when "the times of the Gentiles" (See) Luke 21:24. Revelations 16:14 began, and the government of the world passed exclusively into Gentile hands. Daniel 2:36-45. Luke 21:24. Acts 15:14-17. That both Israel and the Gentiles have governed for self, not God, is sadly apparent. The judgment of the confusion of tongues ended the racial testing; that of the captivities the Jewish; while the Gentile testing will end in the smiting of the Image (Daniel 2.) and the judgment of the nations. Matthew 25:31-46.

The Fourth Dispensation: Promise. For Abraham, and his descendants it is evident that the Abrahamic Covenant See Scofield "Genesis 15:18" made a great change. They became distinctively the heirs of promise. That covenant is wholly gracious and unconditional. The descendants of Abraham had but to abide in their own land to inherit every blessing. In Egypt they lost their blessings, but not their covenant. The Dispensation of Promise ended when Israel rashly accepted the law #Ex 19:8. Grace had prepared a deliverer (Moses), provided a sacrifice for the guilty, and by divine power brought them out of bondage #Ex 19:4 but at Sinai they exchanged grace for law. The Dispensation of Promise extends from Gen 12.1 to Ex 19.8, and was exclusively Israelitish. The dispensation must be distinguished from the covenant. The former is a mode of testing; the latter is everlasting because unconditional. The law did not abrogate the Abrahamic Covenant Galatians 3:15-18 but was an intermediate disciplinary dealing "till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made" Galatians 3:19-29 4:1-7. Only the dispensation, as a testing of Israel, ended at the giving of the law.

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The Fifth Dispensation: Law. This dispensation extends from Sinai to Calvary--from Exodus to the Cross.The history of Israel in the wilderness and in the land is one long record of the violation of the law. The testing of the nation by law ended in the judgment of the Captivities, but the dispensation itself ended at the Cross.

(1) Man's state at the beginning. Exodus 19:1-4.
(2) His responsibility Exodus 19:5,6. Romans 10:5.
(3) His failure 2 Kings 17:7-17. 19 Acts 2:22,23.
(4) The judgment 2 Kings 17:1-6,20 & 25:1-11. Luke 21:20-24.
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The Sixth Dispensation: Grace. John 1:17 note (2) As a dispensation, grace begins with the death and resurrection of Christ. Romans 3:24-26 4:24,25. The point of testing is no longer legal obedience as the condition of salvation, but acceptance or rejection of Christ, with good works as a fruit of salvation, John 1:12,13 3:36. Matthew 21:37 22:24. John 15:22,25. Hebrews 1:2 1. John 5:10-12. The immediate result of this testing was the rejection of Christ by the Jews, and His crucifixion by Jew and Gentile #Ac 4:27. The predicted end of the testing of man under grace is the apostasy of the professing church:

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The Seventh Dispensation: Fulness of Times. This, the seventh and last of the ordered ages which condition human life on the earth, is identical with the kingdom covenanted to David. 2 Samuel 7:8-17. Zechariah 12:8.

Summary;
Luke 1:31-33. 1 Corinthians 15:24, and gathers into itself under Christ all past "times":
(1) The time of oppression and misrule ends by Christ taking His kingdom. #Isa 11:3,4.
(2) The time of testimony and divine forbearance ends in judgment. #Mt 25:31-46 Acts 17:30,31. Revelations 20:7-15.
(3) The time of toil ends in rest and reward. 2 Thessalonians 1:6,7.
(4) The time of suffering ends in glory. Romans 8:17,18.
(5) The time of Israel's blindness and chastisement ends in restoration and conversion. Romans 11:25-27. Ezekiel 39:25-29.
(6) The times of the Gentiles end in the smiting of the image and the setting up of the kingdom of the heavens. Daniel 2:34,35. Revelations 19:15-21.
(7) The time of creation's thraldom ends in deliverance at the manifestation of the sons of God. #Genesis 3:17. Isaiah 11:6-8. Romans 8:19-21.

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The Dispensation of the Kingdom. ( 2 Samuel 7:16 refs.) begins with the return of Christ to the earth, runs through the "thousand years" of His earth-rule, and ends when He has delivered up the kingdom to the Father.
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The Second Dispensation: Conscience or moral responsibility Reba asks do we today have a conscience and or moral responsibility?
The Third Dispensation: Human Government. Reba asks We have human government today
The Fourth Dispensation: Promise. Reba asks Do we not have His promise today
The Fifth Dispensation: Law. ..... Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

The Sixth Dispensation: Grace ...... Gen_6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Exo 33:13 Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.
Exo 33:14 And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.
Psa_84:11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield: the LORD will give grace and glory: no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.




The seventh dispensation in Scofields writings was "Kingdom age of 1000 years" according to 1967 Scofield Bible page 1249

It is also listed here in slightly different verbiage from 1917

(7) The kingdom of heaven (See Scofield "Matthew 3:2") thus established under David's divine Son, has for its object the restoration of the divine authority in the earth, which may be regarded as a revolted province of the great kingdom of God See Scofield " Matthew 6:33 ". When this is done ( 1 Corinthians 14:24 1 Corinthians 14:25 ) the Son will deliver up the kingdom (of heaven), Matthew 3:2 to "God, even the Father," that "God" (i.e. the triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) "may be all in all" ( 1 Corinthians 14:28 ). The eternal throne is that "of God, and of the Lamb" Revelation 22:1 . The kingdom-age constitutes the seventh Dispensation, See Scofield " Ephesians 1:10 ".


Yet the Words of Jesus say ..

Mat_4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Mat_16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mar_1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Luk_17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

God says Rom_14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
 
Thank you, Reba. This is very helpful. Most everyone I know does not believe in dispensations, so it could be I won't either. Thank you!
The whole of the Scriptures of Gods dealing with man is a stewardship or dispensations. Don't rely upon mans opinions about doctrines. Study them for yourself. A dispensation or stewardship is a period of time God deals with man in a particular way in respect to sin and mans responsibility. I will scripturally give you the first stewardship God gives man.
  • Innocents was the first state of man in creation
  • Mans state at the beginning Gen. 1:26-29
  • His responsibility Gen. 2:16-17
  • His failure Gen. 3:6
  • The judgment Gen. 3:24
  • The consequences Gen. 3:14-19; Rom. 5:12,18,19
There are 7 trials or stewardship's man has been given. But he fails in everyone of them and they are all in Scripture. The lesson in the failure of them all proves that..........man needs God.

If you are interested, I will give you the other 6 stewardship's. But let the Scriptures prayerfully teach you......not me.
 
Another thread you bet.
we each stated our case or part of it anyway .. time to move on :)
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Sheesh this is Bible Study I thought it was some other thread/forum

yup polite discussion :blush

Eugene
 
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Did Eve? and scripture please.

I'm pretty sure Brother Eugene is right about this. I believe our conscience came with the Comforter. That's the Holy Spirit's job, to convict us. That's how I've always understood it. :yes

Those must've been hard times to live on the earth when no one except a select few had the Holy Spirit.

Oh, whoops! Sorry...
 
I'm pretty sure Brother Eugene is right about this. I believe our conscience came with the Comforter. That's the Holy Spirit's job, to convict us. That's how I've always understood it. :yes

Those must've been hard times to live on the earth when no one except a select few had the Holy Spirit.

Oh, whoops! Sorry...
No one in the OT had a conscience?
 
Did Eve? and scripture please.
We dont know..
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

But we do see there was a 'law' rule' commandment to be obeyed

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
 
I don't think so. The Holy Spirit had not been given yet.
Psa_51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Isa 63:10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
Jdg_3:10 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushanrishathaim.
Jdg_6:34 But the Spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet; and Abiezer was gathered after him.
Jdg_11:29 Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon.
Jdg_13:25 And the Spirit of the LORD began to move him at times in the camp of Dan between Zorah and Eshtaol.
Jdg_14:6 And the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him, and he rent him as he would have rent a kid, and he had nothing in his hand: but he told not his father or his mother what he had done.
Jdg_14:19 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. And his anger was kindled, and he went up to his father's house.
Jdg_15:14 And when he came unto Lehi, the Philistines shouted against him: and the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him, and the cords that were upon his arms became as flax that was burnt with fire, and his bands loosed from off his hands.
1Sa_10:6 And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.
1Sa_16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.
1Sa_16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
2Sa_23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue.
1Ki_18:12 And it shall come to pass, as soon as I am gone from thee, that the Spirit of the LORD shall carry thee whither I know not; and so when I come and tell Ahab, and he cannot find thee, he shall slay me: but I thy servant fear the LORD from my youth.
1Ki_22:24 But Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah went near, and smote Micaiah on the cheek, and said, Which way went the Spirit of the LORD from me to speak unto thee?
2Ki_2:16 And they said unto him, Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure the Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley. And he said, Ye shall not send.
2Ch_18:23 Then Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah came near, and smote Micaiah upon the cheek, and said, Which way went the Spirit of the LORD from me to speak unto thee?
 
I would like to learn more about the dispensations, do they really exist, what does it mean?
Dispensations are schemes by which men, over the ages, have organized the Bible into sections in order to better understand what is being communicated.
The use of various methods of dividing the scriptures by "dispensations" has been useful BUT: it is important to understand that the dispensations are MAN'S creation and NOT God's revelation.
They are just one method of Bible study and are prone to the same errors as every other creation of man.

iakov the fool
 
Wow.. thank you everyone! It looks like I will have a bit of studying to do with all this information!

After I read and study I will probably have some more questions. Thank you!
 
I have a couple of questions:
1). Why do other people believe there are more dispensations? How do you know when to stop dividing?

2). Dispensationalists do not believe Jesus's words are for them, correct? Would those who believe this way consider themselves, not Christ followers? Does the word Christian mean Christ follower?

3). Last one, if God treats people different under dispensations, is that saying God changes?

Thank you!
 
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1). Why do other people believe there are more dispensations? How do you know when to stop dividing?
Dividing the Bible into "dispensations" provides a way of organizing the data based on some topic of interest.
AS long as men want to research a specific topic, they can use the dispensational format to identify Biblical examples of the topic.
Dispensationalists do not believe Jesus's words are for them, correct?
Not correct.
Dispensationalism isn't about Jesus' words. It's about how God related to man over time.
if God treats people different under dispensations, is that saying God changes?
God does not treat people differently in different times.
The method of relating to and communicating with people (dispensation) does not change what is being communicated.
God does not change.

iakovos the fool
 
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