Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Christ_empowered, Nov 10, 2017.
I have pondered divorce over an issue I shall not say.I was advised against it.
ughhhhh NOT on both ends... i do not look for any loopholes i take it as per the reason the young man i know 3 girls and a boy wife 2 or 3 miscarriages . he tried to reconcile .his wife simply wanted out. that is all i know about it not sure if they are divorced or not . he is probably not perfect . but he did and does love her. polygamy is married to more than one wife at a time much like what THE MORMONS use to practice .
i do suggest it is better a minister be not divorced . some even think if the woman was divorced and the preacher married her never being married. is not able to preach some even go so far as to holding before grace divorce .. i have seen men who was only married once no divorce . bring worse shame to the pulpit my whole point is people assume divorce disqualifies a preacher . simply by married to one wife syndrome . its all they know . we had this in our presbytery one wife only . then changed it to examine the facts.. i been married over 30 years been in the ministry soon to be 18 years i am by far liberal i am very dogmatic on church services being held to sacredness . we make praise bands and in some cases turn it into a rock n roll concert
I just...don't know. I'm thinking its probably best to let the "higher ups" in a denomination make the call on this sort of thing. with dude man in question, I'm just...scared, of him, of his influence on so many people, and of how...suddenly OK "conservative" Christians can be with immorality, as long as its a big name pastor. its not just this church, this pastor, this area; with the rise of megachurches, it seems to be an issue wherever massive congregations w/ big name pastors set up shop. ((end rant))
I think assembly of god has a fairly strict policy. I knew a dude...couldn't become a pastor, because he had a couple divorces before he got saved. probably a good thing. they let one dude I was somewhat acquainted with slide...I think he'd secured an annulment, in his wild(er) years.
I don't know. it seems that a lot of Christians are eager to shoot our wounded. I mean...any big time Christian, you can go to The Google, and there's an expose on how horrible and "apostate" so and so is. Its frightening, really.
see what happens before grace is not held against us after saved ..but i wonder would a drug dealer who done time be accepted into the ministry ..
I was at a church who had one and he was also divorced. he was an evangelist and also divorce before he was saved. God changed him.
that is the key God changes we are forgiven i agree there should be something in place to protect the pulpit and congregation from wolves
until God fixes the situation I'm in with the issues He knows, which means I must change in some areas as does my wife who is lost ihmo, I will not lead, teach at all. I post here and that is about it or when asked questions.
tough spot spouse not saved.. most cases its the husband . for years i wouldn't go to church with my wife. i would do what i could keep her out.. keep going keep praying i am living prof it works
Abuse is the 10th leading cause of divorce:
#3. Lack of communication.
and so on, nice attempt at trying to excuse away the break down of marriage in society though by demonizing men. that one is also in the playbook for justifying abortion.
I try not to judge too harshly. sociologists say America is now a "stable, high divorce rate" society. its part of the culture. its not right, of course, but...social and family disintegration is part of our culture.
I am a man. and I did neither. my wife was hit physically, and has possible brain damage. the man has stalked me. you suggest she stay with a man who wouldn't repent. stalked her and said to her. stay with me and or die? he also attempted to rape the oldest of the two kids and also raped a friend.
yet she should have stayed in that? I'm well aware of the causes of divorce. literally you must then say a widower who has been faithful and is free to marry another per the law of God cant be a pastor!
that is his second wife! always one in the crowd. I take marriage seriously. I could easily leave this. I simply don't have to be married if I so choose, I can post the reasons why I could and you wouldn't have the words to say why. only one knows the issues here. that is majorily insulting . if a victim and perp want to reconcile then they can but I have been stalked by this man, he is very evil. he Is married now and has continued to do this. sometimes safety is the reason.
2 and 3 , I know those problems well. yet I remain married.
I could add another problem , I think ezra, not being a legalist , would understand. yet based on Godly advice I wont. that isn't easy.
jasonc - well that is your issue, just don't try to apply it with a broad stroke because that is not the major root cause of divorce in our society
I was being specific one one issue that isn't listed in the bible. reba said adultery only. I never implied easy divorce or as my state calls it not fault divorce.
They say it always takes two in a divorce as both are at fault, but that is not always true as I can testify to that. We are yet human with all our flaws, but when it comes to a Pastor they are to be an example of God before the congregation in all purity. If the Pastor is at fault and has caused the divorce then I think they should step down from their position, maybe not forever, but until the time they have made themselves right before God and the congregation. One mistake should not condemn a person for life if they are truly trying to make an amends for what they have done as all need forgiveness and to forgive them self.
the number 2 is in the top reasons for vet suicide.
Don't think I can say the same for my bio dad. I don't think he's a healthy person to have in my life.
Paul said that married people "would have trouble in this world and that he, if possible, " would spare them from it".
Paul's perspective was, in many ways, at odds with most Christian's POV, as he was completely heavenly minded, yet living on earth.
"It is not I that liveth but Christ who liveth in me".
He counted the loss of all things, (earthly pursuits) ... gain for Christ.
Whereas most christians, tend to be habitually earthly minded and seldom heavenly minded.
Paul could not wait to die.. He was looking forward to it.. = "absent from the body, present with the Lord".
How many Christians do you know who are like this?.....And Paul was the greatest born again Christian who ever lived.
Jesus literally taught him, personally, about 99.9 percent of the church doctrine that we all follow.
No other christian has ever stated in a bible that you are to "follow me as i follow Christ".
And that includes the other apostles, extant.
Peter actually elevated and equated Paul's letters, with the Torah.......as if they are SCRIPTURE, and indeed they are.
Now thats something to think about.
So, this man, Paul, was not against marriage, but he was FOR a Christian being completely and utterly and solely devoted to Christ and the work of fruit bearing- purity of motive- discipleship.
With God, its all about motive and effort.
The other thing to consider, is that God's call upon someone which appoints them into the "ministry", is "without repentance".
This means that the call that God has placed on their life, does not discontinue, because of a parting between 2 people who use to be married.
Divorce however, does leave a mark, a stain, and a situation in the minister's life that he will have to deal with and solve so that he can continue without being hindered and sidetracked by the fallout that a divorce produces in PUBLIC.
He is going to be judged in the public domain, as that is one of the consequences, and he'll just have to ride it out and keep going forward till the storm abates.
It is what it is.
Paul knew of this, and understood the ramifications with respect to a minister in this situation, and tried to warn of the consequences of marriage,....= especially for a minister.
He was not against marriage, but he was for total devotion to Jesus the Christ and God the Father.
It is a lot easier to go after Paul then it is to go after Jesus. Jesus is LORD.
“Whoever divorces his wife, and marries another woman commits adultery against her, and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.”
Ha, ezra I'm not picking on anybody friend, I was saying not allowing polygamy is an understatement and also if you divorce your wife for any reason after you've become ''born again'' except her committing adultery then according to Paul you are disqualified from holding authority of preacher or deacon, simple.. And like I said ''it doesn't matter to me'' except it is a scriptural standard unless I missed something .. There is only one sin that can not be pardoned and even then we have scripture that says with God all things are possible ..
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