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Very well stated, but we have already received the mark, for the scripture says the ALL receive the mark, and we all look to its image, for the image of the beast is the image of a man hanging upon a cross.
I must disagree. I have no mark on my right hand, or my forehead, which is required of me in order to function in society.
I do have a "social insurance number" but that is not the mark. I do have debit cards and credit cards.. still not the mark.
The mark will be specific and mandatory to all.
 
I am not settled on my view on this issue. I believe that there would have to be some conscious effort to leave the family of God. Look at the prodigal son.

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I got my convictions in line with the Bible, cover to cover, decades ago. And I agree with your sentiment here. More emphatically, I find it would take GREAT effort to overpower our Good Shepherd and successfully walk away from the family of God, in the Eternal sense. I can't imagine why anyone would do that
 
Ezrider are you saying that if we ever sin again we cannot confess our sins and cannot be forgiven?

No, but you should walk with the full confidence that those sins are already forgiven. You no longer need a covering to hide your sins, but you can stand before the Lord in all his glory the way that he has created you and not be ashamed for it.

If I offend you, have I sinned against you or God? Is it not your forgiveness that I should seek? Do I need to offer my first born to you as a sacrifice before you will accept my apology? We are asked of Jesus to forgive one another. Paul instructs us to confess our sins to one another. If I can tell you of my weakness or desires of the flesh without the fear of your condemnation and judgement, then as a friend and brother I have gained your trust and confidence rather than suspision. We should be careful to not get caught up in the spirit of condemnation that is in the world and hold fast to the love of Christ.


When I think of Jesus I see Him in His throne in all His glory. It is only when I read of His suffering and the cross that I see Him like that.

When I think of Jesus, I hear the Spirit of the Word that he spoke, I do not see the image of a man.

Jesus is no longer up on the cross. He has risen. You will not come to know Christ if you remain waiting before the cross, for the Word remains hidden behind the veil that was his flesh.
 
The scripture is full of images: the image of the beast, the image of a humble servant, the image of the wheat and the tares, the image of the two Jerusalem's, the image of the good seed, and an image of the children of disobedience. The image of the death of Christ and the image of the resurrection of Christ. There is the resurrection to life, and there is a resurrection to death (John 5:29).

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

All of these images are instructive, but in the end they boil down to these two images, the image of the resurrection of Christ, or the image of the death of Christ. These are the images we hold in our hearts when we worship.

So lets look closer at the image of the death of Christ and of the resurrection to damnation/death. I will point out once again, that the image of the death of Christ is the image of a man. They worship the crucifixion, the image of a dying man, the last image of the humble servant. These are the children of disobedience, they have taken the image of a man and have made him their God. They have come to the knowledge of Christ, but not his Faith. They hold fast to the works he performed on the cross, and believe that their sins will be forgiven, but in the resurrection of death, they find themselves still subject to death. So while they wait for the return of their Lord in the image of the Son of Man, they set out to perfect themselves, so that the Lord will find them worthy when he comes, but instead they become obedient unto death. And because there just wasn’t enough things in the Bible to be declared as a sin, they create new sins for themselves daily (is it a sin to watch TV?, is it a sin if I listen to heavy metal or hip hop?). Then when they fall short, they are faithful to confess their sins to Jesus so they can be made clean again by the blood of the Lamb, and they bear in themselves the image of the death of Christ, and though they have been entered into the death of Christ, they have not yet embraced their own death through Christ. The scripture tells us that Christ died once for all, and that through his death, he hath put down sin and death (Rom 6:6, Rom 8:2) that we should no longer serve them. But serve them they do, and in their obedience, they bring again the sins of their dead works before the Lord, and in doing so, they crucify the Son of God afresh, and do put him to open shame.

Heb 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and do put him to an open shame.

Not sure who is teaching you this stuff, but it goes against scripture

Rev 14: 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 
Not sure who is teaching you this stuff, but it goes against scripture

Rev 14: 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

You quoted a scripture without saying anything, as if they are your very own words that you are speaking. Tell me if you can with all your authority and confidence in the Word, what did the seven thunders utter?

How would you know of the one who teaches me? You listen to and teach the word of wrath and judgement. You post scripture and teach men to look for a "man of sin." I listen to one who teaches me of Christ and reveals his word in my heart. The rest is just amusement.
 
No, but you should walk with the full confidence that those sins are already forgiven. You no longer need a covering to hide your sins, but you can stand before the Lord in all his glory the way that he has created you and not be ashamed for it.

If I offend you, have I sinned against you or God? Is it not your forgiveness that I should seek? Do I need to offer my first born to you as a sacrifice before you will accept my apology? We are asked of Jesus to forgive one another. Paul instructs us to confess our sins to one another. If I can tell you of my weakness or desires of the flesh without the fear of your condemnation and judgement, then as a friend and brother I have gained your trust and confidence rather than suspision. We should be careful to not get caught up in the spirit of condemnation that is in the world and hold fast to the love of Christ.

When I think of Jesus, I hear the Spirit of the Word that he spoke, I do not see the image of a man.


Jesus is no longer up on the cross. He has risen. You will not come to know Christ if you remain waiting before the cross, for the Word remains hidden behind the veil that was his flesh.

I totally agree that we are forgive to each other, and that we are to judge no man. We all have flaws and we all belong to the same family.

When Jesus returns 'all eyes shall see Him.' So He must have a form. No not a humble man but as all powerful and yet all loving .

' And in like manner you shall see Him... '
 
I totally agree that we are forgive to each other, and that we are to judge no man. We all have flaws and we all belong to the same family.

When Jesus returns 'all eyes shall see Him.' So He must have a form. No not a humble man but as all powerful and yet all loving .

' And in like manner you shall see Him... '


Yes, every eye shall see him, for he shall come in the glory of his father, as lightening shineth from the east unto the west, in a cloud shall he come. A great cloud of darkness and tempest that burns as a fire with lightening and the voice of thunder. It was a sight for which Moses did exceedingly fear and quake.
 
You quoted a scripture without saying anything, as if they are your very own words that you are speaking. Tell me if you can with all your authority and confidence in the Word, what did the seven thunders utter?

How would you know of the one who teaches me? You listen to and teach the word of wrath and judgement. You post scripture and teach men to look for a "man of sin." I listen to one who teaches me of Christ and reveals his word in my heart. The rest is just amusement.

I have no authority other than what God gives me and yes I am confident of His word in all truth. I did say something before the posted scripture as I said "Not sure who is teaching you this stuff, but it goes against scripture" then I gave the scripture where what you are teaching comes against. Do you deny that which is already written in the scriptures??? Yes, I teach about God's wrath to come and who the man of sin is that is revealed within the whole of scripture, OT and NT as I read and study what has already been written. Would you not want to know about a coming disaster and not be prepared so it would not affect you?

Who is it that you listen to? Does he have a name? Is he a Pastor? I feel sorry for you as you feel God's word is amusement.

No one knows what the seven thunders uttered other than John who when he was about to write them down was told not to, but to seal them up. This is also spoken of by Daniel in Daniel 12 to shut up the words he heard and seal them in a book unto the time of the end. From that time forth it has only been man's speculation of what was uttered because it has not yet been revealed until the time of the end when all things will be finished.
 
I totally agree that we are forgive to each other, and that we are to judge no man. We all have flaws and we all belong to the same family.

When Jesus returns 'all eyes shall see Him.' So He must have a form. No not a humble man but as all powerful and yet all loving .

' And in like manner you shall see Him... '

no like button hmm so you get:thumbsup
 
I have no authority other than what God gives me and yes I am confident of His word in all truth.

Have you not heard of the sign of Jonah? For Jonah too was given a word from the Lord and sent off, although I could not say he did so with all confidence. But when God himself repented of the evil he was going to do, pour old Jonah just refused to accept it, so he took up watch beneath a booth outside the city until the numbers days should come. I'll bet you that Jonah never thought it was he who would be smote instead. If you do not know what the seven thunders uttered, then by what right do you have to issue God's final word of judgement?



Romans 1:18-19
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.


By the words of Pauls and the teaching of the scripture, have you then declared that you hold the truth in unrighteousness? That's what is sounds like to me.


Yes, I teach about God's wrath to come and who the man of sin is that is revealed within the whole of scripture

Jesus said, Lo, I come, in the volume of the book it is written me. And yet you look for a man of sin within the whole of the volume of the book. You look to the little horn and see some anti-christ and then miss the horn of your salvation that appears before you.

Who is it that you listen to? Does he have a name? Is he a Pastor?

Why yes, in fact he has a new name written.
 
You will not be able to buy or sell without the mark
Perhaps it is wise to refuse any mark on your hand or forehead.
The mark of God will be freely given to those who perservere.
 
Have you not heard of the sign of Jonah? For Jonah too was given a word from the Lord and sent off, although I could not say he did so with all confidence. But when God himself repented of the evil he was going to do, pour old Jonah just refused to accept it, so he took up watch beneath a booth outside the city until the numbers days should come. I'll bet you that Jonah never thought it was he who would be smote instead. If you do not know what the seven thunders uttered, then by what right do you have to issue God's final word of judgement?



Romans 1:18-19
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.


By the words of Pauls and the teaching of the scripture, have you then declared that you hold the truth in unrighteousness? That's what is sounds like to me.




Jesus said, Lo, I come, in the volume of the book it is written me. And yet you look for a man of sin within the whole of the volume of the book. You look to the little horn and see some anti-christ and then miss the horn of your salvation that appears before you.



Why yes, in fact he has a new name written.

Jesus said this is the sign of Jonah as it only deals with the three days and nights Jesus would be in the heart of the earth. It has nothing to do with anything else.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

If what the seven thunders uttered are sealed up until the end of days then how can anyone know what they are as they have not been revealed as yet as the mystery of God is not yet fulfilled. It's only speculations that are taught what the seven thunders uttered.

I can only teach that what is already written as no one can issue God's final judgment. God has commited that to Christ at the great white throne judgment, John 5:17-30. The seven trumpets and seven vial being poured out is not God's final judgement, but a time of a greater calling to repent and turn back to Him as God would that none should perish, 2 Peter 3:9, 10.

If you read the full context of Romans chapter 1 you will see who Paul was speaking about who hold the truth in unrighteousness as vs. 21, 22 make it very clear who these people are.

Here is the explanation of the little horn in Daniel Chapter7 as you will see it is the last antichrist being the son of perdition also confirmed by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 and John in Rev 13.

In Rev 12:3 the other sign John saw was a great red dragon meaning Satan. Remember, this is a vision and a sign as Satan has not yet been thrown out of heaven. The description of the dragon being great and red depicts its nature and character as being fierce and murderous, John 8:44. This red dragon is depicted as having seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. This is also confirmed in Rev 17 as mystery Babylon is described. The seven heads and ten horns refer to the original ten kingdoms of which three were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:8. The last kingdom which stands greater than all the others is that of a revived Roman Empire that takes control over all the ten nations who then implements a deceiving peace treaty to a world that is in great distress. Below is that of the seven kingdoms described as four beasts in Daniel 7:1-8 and the three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn, which is the Roman Empire.

The three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:24 are the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths who were eliminated by the year 538 AD under the leadership of the Eastern Roman Emperor Justinian whose deadly wound came in 1798.

Seven remaining nations that still exist today:

Babylonian Empire:
(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon.

Medo – Persian Empire:
(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire.

Grecian Empire:
(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.

Roman Empire: (little horn, Daniel 8:9-14, 23-27)
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.

The crowns on its heads show that this dragon claims royal authority against the true King who is God of all creation as he prepares to take his seat above all that which is Gods Kingdom claiming he is God as he prepares to deceive the world through that of an existing Roman Empire, Daniel 8:9-12; Isaiah 14:12-15.

The beast rises up out of the sea, Rev 13, as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

The beast out of the earth, Rev 13:11-18, is the revived Roman Empire (mystery Babylon) which causes man to take its mark, Daniel 7:24, 25 and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, He will think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
 
How will people know the Mark? This is the answer people need to know.

A mark can mean a visible impression, identifying seal, inscription or label and also the thoughts of the mind and actions of the hand. The mark of the beast is just that which is full of political self governed power that disguises itself as a religious system full of symbolism that is very deceptive to those who have no Spiritual discernment. From its throne will be displayed many signs and wonders that will promise peace and safety during the time of great tribulation as Gods wrath will be poured out during the seven trumpets sounding. Many will take this mark believing it to be a visible sign of God, but with a great falling away from God will be deceived and separated from God forever. Rev 13, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12
 
I can't disagree with this. It prolly has begun. Some. But the word from the Brothers and Sisters is that Trump winning the Presidency set them back about 20 years or so. I don't know for sure but it sure feels like they've been set back at least some.
The Liberal Agenda has taken a major set back, 20+ years, November election will put the nails in the coffin.

26 liberal seats are open in 16 States that Trump won, they are gonna lose a few of those 16 States.

Only 8 seats are up for Republicans, in States all won by Trump.

I see the GOP gaining 4-8 seats, for a 6-10 seat majority in congress.

Hopefully Kennedy retires soon, with another Gorsuch appointment to SCOTUS?

The recent 9/2 ruling in SCOTUS on the Colorado Christian cake baker has set a religious freedom of speech, expression, precedent against homosexuality.

The coffin is being nailed shut, the pall bearers are throwing the white gloves and rainbow flag into the grave!
 
Jesus said this is the sign of Jonah as it only deals with the three days and nights Jesus would be in the heart of the earth. It has nothing to do with anything else.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

If what the seven thunders uttered are sealed up until the end of days then how can anyone know what they are as they have not been revealed as yet as the mystery of God is not yet fulfilled. It's only speculations that are taught what the seven thunders uttered.

I can only teach that what is already written as no one can issue God's final judgment. God has commited that to Christ at the great white throne judgment, John 5:17-30. The seven trumpets and seven vial being poured out is not God's final judgement, but a time of a greater calling to repent and turn back to Him as God would that none should perish, 2 Peter 3:9, 10.

If you read the full context of Romans chapter 1 you will see who Paul was speaking about who hold the truth in unrighteousness as vs. 21, 22 make it very clear who these people are.

Here is the explanation of the little horn in Daniel Chapter7 as you will see it is the last antichrist being the son of perdition also confirmed by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 and John in Rev 13.

In Rev 12:3 the other sign John saw was a great red dragon meaning Satan. Remember, this is a vision and a sign as Satan has not yet been thrown out of heaven. The description of the dragon being great and red depicts its nature and character as being fierce and murderous, John 8:44. This red dragon is depicted as having seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. This is also confirmed in Rev 17 as mystery Babylon is described. The seven heads and ten horns refer to the original ten kingdoms of which three were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:8. The last kingdom which stands greater than all the others is that of a revived Roman Empire that takes control over all the ten nations who then implements a deceiving peace treaty to a world that is in great distress. Below is that of the seven kingdoms described as four beasts in Daniel 7:1-8 and the three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn, which is the Roman Empire.

The three kingdoms that were subdued by the little horn of Daniel 7:24 are the Heruli, Vandals, and Ostrogoths who were eliminated by the year 538 AD under the leadership of the Eastern Roman Emperor Justinian whose deadly wound came in 1798.

Seven remaining nations that still exist today:

Babylonian Empire:
(Iraq) The lion represents the winged lions that guarded the royal places of Babylon.

Medo – Persian Empire:
(Iran) The ribs of the bear are part of the consuming greed that devours the first empire.

Grecian Empire:
(Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt) Four wings of the leopard described the swiftness of this empire that ran from 334-331BC. It wrestled world dominion from Medo-Persia. After the death of Alexander the Great the kingdom was divided into four minor kingdoms that continued as prominent factors in world politics until the Roman Empire gathered it back as one kingdom.

Roman Empire: (little horn, Daniel 8:9-14, 23-27)
Iron represents the stronghold this nation had. Daniel chapter 2 mentions the iron element of this empire that it to will be divided and broken as God will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed.

The crowns on its heads show that this dragon claims royal authority against the true King who is God of all creation as he prepares to take his seat above all that which is Gods Kingdom claiming he is God as he prepares to deceive the world through that of an existing Roman Empire, Daniel 8:9-12; Isaiah 14:12-15.

The beast rises up out of the sea, Rev 13, as the sea here is symbolic of people and nations as in a sea of humanity, Daniel Chapter 7:1-8; Revelation 17:15. The seven heads are that of the Babylonian Empire, Medo/Persian Empire, Grecian Empire and Roman Empire. The ten horns represent the nations the Roman Empire scattered to when the deadly wound was put upon them, Daniel 7:23-25.

These ten nations were the Anglo-Saxons (English), the Franks (French), Suevi (Portuguese), Visigoths (Spanish), Burgundians (Swiss), Alemanni (Germans), Lombards (Italians), Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals in northern Africa. The last three being Ostrogoths, Heruli, and the Vandals had already been destroyed by the Roman Empire before their deadly wound came in 1798.

The beast out of the earth, Rev 13:11-18, is the revived Roman Empire (mystery Babylon) which causes man to take its mark, Daniel 7:24, 25 and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, He will think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
I disagree, Mystery Babylon The Mother Of Harlots as seen in Revelation chapters 17-18 is "Jerusalem"

The future little horn, antichrist, will be a Jew

Daniel 11:37 Neither will he regard "The God Of His Fathers"
 
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Secular humanism. Preaching peace to those who have no peace with God. Entertainment rather than edification. Preaching God's blessings but not repentance, obedience, holiness or faithfulness. Fake healings and fake conversions as publicity stunts for money. Behaving outrageously in the name of the Holy Ghost. Men (and women) using Christianity as a means of personal gain and for their own glory. Putting the word of men and traditions above the word of God. Imitating the world rather than Jesus Christ and His apostles.

When a church departs from God's word, and the environment is unholy, the Christian who loves the Lord should heed the Holy Spirit and depart from the church. And in this last hour, it is better not to be in one than it is to be in one. Even the 'conservative' ones are following men and teachings and traditions of men which are not Scriptural, spiritually beneficial, or pleasing to God. If there is anywhere the Lord wants a Christian to be for fellowship, He will lead him or her to it. If He does not, it's for the best.
I agree with this post 100%

This is exactly as I see it, as your explanation represents the "Apostate Church" you forgot homosexuals and females behind the pulpits to complete this example.

I agree it's better to stay away from the "Apostasy" than to be a part of it.

I see the Church in small assembly, moving away from the Hollywood oriented masses and big buildings.

Where two or three are gathered

Matthew 18:20KJV
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
 
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A mark can mean a visible impression, identifying seal, inscription or label and also the thoughts of the mind and actions of the hand. The mark of the beast is just that which is full of political self governed power that disguises itself as a religious system full of symbolism that is very deceptive to those who have no Spiritual discernment. From its throne will be displayed many signs and wonders that will promise peace and safety during the time of great tribulation as Gods wrath will be poured out during the seven trumpets sounding. Many will take this mark believing it to be a visible sign of God, but with a great falling away from God will be deceived and separated from God forever. Rev 13, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12

You are right. however you still have not identified the "mark of the beast 666"
Revelation 13:16-18 Mark of the beast.
Revelation 13:16 (KJV) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: Revelation 13:17 (KJV) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13:18 (KJV) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

This is the heart of Antichrist's plan for economic dictatorship. The technologies are in widespread use now that will enable him to institute a cashless society and literally control the privilege of buying and selling worldwide.
Notice that the number is to be placed on the right hand or on the forehead. This is an obvious, external symbol of compliance - even of worship - of the Antichrist. It is not an invisible tattoo or an implanted transponders chip implants, even though these things might also be employed to make all of this possible. This mark will also have a visual aspect to it. Making the person easily identifiable as being marked or not marked. Any Christians walking the earth at this time will have a bounty on their head, labeled as terrorists, an anti-government militia member, or any of a number of other criminal labels.

It is also interesting that the number is not the number of each subject who receives it, but the Antichrist's own number, or, optionally, his very name! Surely, each subject will also have his own number, whether that is on a card, a tattoo, or an implanted device, but this actual Mark of The Beast is his name or number, a proof that the subject has agreed to worship him.

By your statement many contract agreements with banks and government agencies would fit your description. Also the oath of public office for politicians, the oath of service for military and police, etc. however none of those fit the criteria are for Mark of the beast.

Criteria for Mark of the beast;
· the mark is necessary in order to buy or sell. Most of us can live without having to sell anything. However not being able to buy is a totally different matter.
· It is also interesting that the number is not the number of each subject who receives it, but the Antichrist's own number, or, optionally, his very name!
· It also includes a contract agreement or oath of submission, loyalty and worship.
 
I must disagree. I have no mark on my right hand, or my forehead, which is required of me in order to function in society.
I do have a "social insurance number" but that is not the mark. I do have debit cards and credit cards.. still not the mark.
The mark will be specific and mandatory to all.

YES agreed.
 
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