Doctrine of the Trinity – Is it Fundamental to the Christian Faith

[JohnDB]

I like this one.

 

[jaybird]

There are three persons, which is why we refer to each as He. Each are fully and truly God but yet there is only one God. That there is only one God (singular), is why we use the singular when referring to God. To use plural pronouns would indicate more than one God.

three persons is a "they", not a "he".
if each is G-D then why does the Most High say there is no god with Him? three G-Ds with G-D with scripture of the Almighty saying there are no gods with Him. sure makes no sense to me.
if st Paul was teaching a trinity, no way it would have made it past those berean Jews who tested everything against scripture.

 

[th1b.taylor]

three persons is a "they", not a "he".
if each is G-D then why does the Most High say there is no god with Him? three G-Ds with G-D with scripture of the Almighty saying there are no gods with Him. sure makes no sense to me.
if st Paul was teaching a trinity, no way it would have made it past those berean Jews who tested everything against scripture.

First of all, making such a claim, without a scripture address to prove your point is ludicrous. My Copy of Godś Word for man does say that there is no god like Him but that is not what you are saying. So tell me, will you repent of your statement?

 

[new covenant preacher]

There is only one God, so why would plural pronouns be used? But God does use these of himself:

Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. (ESV)

Dear Sir, I believe you are a moderator and yet you are providing mistranslations from the bible as evidence to back up your notions.

It is the institution of the Holy Spirit whereby we are taught to rightly divide the Word of Truth, enabling us to then share these truths with others. God does this and not man.

1 Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Too many people readily accept the mystery of the trinity doctrine as an essential teaching because self-proclaimed ministers say it is so. Without the teaching of the Holy Spirit, men speak with their own wisdom which is dangerous and destructive.

The simple believes every word but the wise considers all things (Prov 14:15; Rom 16:18).

The genesis of the mystery of the trinity may be as a result of the obvious mistranslation from a verse many are familiar with.

God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness”.

When one removes the inserted words, let us and our, the verse takes on a completely different meaning.
If God really said let us make, He would have to be talking to another God
One singular God spoke, not many Gods or persons.

 

[th1b.taylor]

three persons is a "they", not a "he".
if each is G-D then why does the Most High say there is no god with Him? three G-Ds with G-D with scripture of the Almighty saying there are no gods with Him. sure makes no sense to me.
if st Paul was teaching a trinity, no way it would have made it past those berean Jews who tested everything against scripture.

No way your mockery will make it past God either and Paul you need go no further than the beginning of Genesis and our Image! And Let us! And when John Baptized Jesus the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit were present making the applicable question to be will you believe the Known Word of God or will you continue to rebel against God?

 

[Windsong]

Are non-trinitarians able to vocalize here per the rules and statement of faith ?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Dear Sir, I believe you are a moderator and yet you are providing mistranslations from the bible as evidence to back up your notions.

It is the institution of the Holy Spirit whereby we are taught to rightly divide the Word of Truth, enabling us to then share these truths with others. God does this and not man.

1 Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Too many people readily accept the mystery of the trinity doctrine as an essential teaching because self-proclaimed ministers say it is so. Without the teaching of the Holy Spirit, men speak with their own wisdom which is dangerous and destructive.

The simple believes every word but the wise considers all things (Prov 14:15; Rom 16:18).

The genesis of the mystery of the trinity may be as a result of the obvious mistranslation from a verse many are familiar with.

God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness”.

When one removes the inserted words, let us and our, the verse takes on a completely different meaning.
If God really said let us make, He would have to be talking to another God
One singular God spoke, not many Gods or persons.

You are intentionally mistranslating scripture by adding and adding to and subtracting from the scriptures, a thing we are warned against in Duet, 4:2 and the very last verse in The Revelation of the Christ.

You are, I have noticed, full of yourself but I will explain that God did not use the Highlighters of today but He did highlite scripture by repeating the Commands more than once and when He highlighted this one in
The Revelation, He added the curse folks like you are to receive for your Heresies.

And I have yet to see an answer to the first question I, very nicely asked you!

 

[th1b.taylor]

Are non-trinitarians able to vocalize here per the rules and statement of faith ?

No and if either one of the three of us report him, he must be exorcised.

 

[JohnDB]

Are non-trinitarians able to vocalize here per the rules and statement of faith ?

No.

 

[Windsong]

No and if either one of the three of us report him, he must be exorcised.

 

[JLB]

There are three persons, which is why we refer to each as He. Each are fully and truly God but yet there is only one God. That there is only one God (singular), is why we use the singular when referring to God. To use plural pronouns would indicate more than one God.

The Hebrew uses the plural when referring to God.

Elohim is plural.

In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1


Then God (Elohim) said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Genesis 1:26


JLB

 

[Windsong]

The Hebrew uses the plural when referring to God.

Elohim is plural.

In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1


Then God (Elohim) said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Genesis 1:26


JLB

Mark 12:28-29,32 ...'And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, the first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but HE'

 

[chessman]

And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, which is the first commandment of all?

Why did you leave one of the commands from Jesus' answer to which commandment is the "first" one?

Mark 12:29-30 Jesus answered, “The most important is;
1. ‘Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
2. And you shall love the Lord your God from your whole heart and from your whole soul and from your whole mind and from your whole strength.’

Listen and love. Two actions, one commandment.

 

[Windsong]

Why did you leave one of the commands from Jesus' answer to which commandment is the "first" one?

Mark 12:29-30 Jesus answered, “The most important is;
1. ‘Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
2. And you shall love the Lord your God from your whole heart and from your whole soul and from your whole mind and from your whole strength.’

Listen and love. Two actions, one commandment.

I copied the verse as pertained to the One God scripture that the site linked had posted.

 

[Jim Parker]

Yes.
The doctrine of the trinity is fundamental to the Christian faith.

iakov the fool

 

[jasonc]

Yes.
The doctrine of the trinity is fundamental to the Christian faith.

iakov the fool

must I?

as you know I was an anti-Trinitarian.

 

[Free]

Dear Sir, I believe you are a moderator and yet you are providing mistranslations from the bible as evidence to back up your notions.

It is the institution of the Holy Spirit whereby we are taught to rightly divide the Word of Truth, enabling us to then share these truths with others. God does this and not man.

1 Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Too many people readily accept the mystery of the trinity doctrine as an essential teaching because self-proclaimed ministers say it is so. Without the teaching of the Holy Spirit, men speak with their own wisdom which is dangerous and destructive.

The simple believes every word but the wise considers all things (Prov 14:15; Rom 16:18).

The genesis of the mystery of the trinity may be as a result of the obvious mistranslation from a verse many are familiar with.

God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness”.

When one removes the inserted words, let us and our, the verse takes on a completely different meaning.
If God really said let us make, He would have to be talking to another God
One singular God spoke, not many Gods or persons.

I have not provided any mistranslation, at least if I have, you have not proven that I have or how I have. I quoted directly from the ESV. If you don't like that version, pick any other.

For you to have any credibility and for your point to be true and accurate, you must provide proof that "let us" and "our" are inserted words. Your opinion is not proof; give a rational and exegetical basis for removing the words "let us" and "our."

 

[Free]

The Hebrew uses the plural when referring to God.

Elohim is plural.

In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1


Then God (Elohim) said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Genesis 1:26


JLB

Yes, and?

 

[Free]

three persons is a "they", not a "he".
if each is G-D then why does the Most High say there is no god with Him? three G-Ds with G-D with scripture of the Almighty saying there are no gods with Him. sure makes no sense to me.
if st Paul was teaching a trinity, no way it would have made it past those berean Jews who tested everything against scripture.

Only going to say this one more time: three "persons," one God. Each "person" is He; one God (singular) is He, because there is only one.

There are not three Gods. That is a purposeful misrepresentation of the Trinity. If you want to debate the Trinity, then debate the Trinity as the doctrine states it, not according to your straw man.

 

[JohnDB]

Post #61 is hard to refute.

It might be a cartoon and funny...but it's pretty accurate.
"I'll stab you in the face" part is a bit much...but it's Theology is right on the nose.