Doctrine of the Trinity – Is it Fundamental to the Christian Faith

[JLB]

Context helps!

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:8
For there are three that bear witness in earth : the Blood, the Water, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:9
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

Yes, there are three not 4.

I agree.


JLB

 

[markathome]

Yes, there are three not 4.

I agree.


JLB

The Father, the Son, the Word, & the Holy Ghost are 4, so the 4 are 1, not 3 are 1.

1. The Father is God
2. The Son is God
3. The Word is God John 1:1
4. The Holy Ghost is God

So the Son of God, aka Jesus Christ is Not God?

You used 1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:8
For there are three that bear witness in earth : the Blood, the Water, and the Holy Spirit; and these three agree as one.
1 John 5:9
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

to say there only Three/Treis/Trias/Tri nity when we know there are at least 4 per Scripture & Reality.

My Father is not a number, either the number one 1 or the number three 3 which is then Capitalized & turned into a Sacred Word meaning 3 sets Triad - Trinity - Three!

 

[JLB]

The Father, the Son, the Word, & the Holy Ghost are 4, so the 4 are 1, not 3 are 1.

1. The Father is God
2. The Son is God
3. The Word is God John 1:1
4. The Holy Ghost is God

So the Son of God, aka Jesus Christ is Not God?

You used 1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:8
For there are three that bear witness in earth : the Blood, the Water, and the Holy Spirit; and these three agree as one.
1 John 5:9
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

to say there only Three/Treis/Trias/Tri nity when we know there are at least 4 per Scripture & Reality.

My Father is not a number, either the number one 1 or the number three 3 which is then Capitalized & turned into a Sacred Word meaning 3 sets Triad - Trinity - Three!

Sorry bro,

The scripture says three.

The Son is the Word, not someone else.


Just because the Son has many names: Redeemer, Mighty God, Prince of Peace, Lamb of God, Alpha, Omega, Savior, Lord of Lords, King of kings... we don't include these in the Godhead, and being 12, or 15, but we know that the Father, The Word and the Holy Spirit, these three are one... Not these 12 are One.

6 This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. 1 John 5:6-8

• there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit;
• these three are one.

JLB

 

[markathome]

orry bro,

The scripture says three.

Wrong the actual Scripture says there are 3 three that bear witness in heaven that Jesus on earth is the Son of God!
3 in heaven & Jesus Himself = 4

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
three as one the Father,
three as one the Word
three as one the Holy Spirit
1 John 5:8
For there are three that bear witness in earth : the Blood, the Water, and the Holy Spirit; and these three agree as one.
three as one the Blood
three as one the Water,
three as one the Holy Spirit
1 John 5:9
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
Jesus Christ the Son of God

The Son is the Word, not someone else.

Srry but Scipture per John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Just because the Son has many names: Redeemer, Mighty God, Prince of Peace, Lamb of God, Alpha, Omega, Savior, Lord of Lords, King of kings... we don't include these in the Godhead, and being 12, or 15, but we know that the Father, The Word and the Holy Spirit, these three are one... Not these 12 are One.

There are only 4 not 12

6 This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. 1 John 5:6-8

• there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit;
• these three are one.

there are 3 three that bear witness in heaven that Jesus on earth was the Son of God! 3 in heaven & Jesus Himself on earth = 4

Quit worshiping numbers!

 

[JLB]

Wrong the actual Scripture says there are 3 three that bear witness in heaven that Jesus on earth is the Son of God!
3 in heaven & Jesus Himself = 4

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
three as one the Father,
three as one the Word
three as one the Holy Spirit
1 John 5:8
For there are three that bear witness in earth : the Blood, the Water, and the Holy Spirit; and these three agree as one.
three as one the Blood
three as one the Water,
three as one the Holy Spirit
1 John 5:9
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
Jesus Christ the Son of God

Brother, you can keep saying whatever you want to, but it will change the number 3 into the number 4.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7

• these three are one.

Srry but Scipture per John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Do you believe the Word is a name for the Son of God or for someone else?


JLB

 

[JLB]

there are 3 three that bear witness in heaven that Jesus on earth was the Son of God! 3 in heaven & Jesus Himself on earth = 4

Please produce the scripture that says there are 4 on earth or in heaven, that bear witness, and these 4 are one.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:

And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
1 John 5:8




JLB

 

[markathome]

Please produce the scripture that says trinity?

1) The Father is Real
2) The Holy Ghost is Real
3) The Word/Bible is Real
4) The Jesus Christ is Real

four are one (Father, Son, Word, Holy Ghost)
three are one (Father, Word, Holy Ghost) or (Father, Son, Holy Ghost)
two are one ((Father, Word, Holy Ghost) (Son)) 1 John 5:7-9
one is one Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Quit making the three special/sacred, it's just a number.

 

[JLB]

Please produce the scripture that says trinity?

1) The Father is Real
2) The Holy Ghost is Real
3) The Word/Bible is Real
4) The Jesus Christ is Real

Yes they are real.

What is also real is these three, not four, are one.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:

And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
1 John 5:8

• Please produce the scripture that says there are 4 on earth or in heaven, that bear witness, and these 4 are one.

JLB

 

[jaybird]

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7

The Father is God
The Son is God
The Spirit is God

These three are One.

What are these three?

• One Spirit?
• One God?
• One Family?

JLB

1 john 5 7 was a foot note that was added to the bible hundreds of years (600 years i believe) after john was written. if i believed in a doctrine that relied on words that were added to the scriptures i would be worried.

 

[JLB]

1 john 5 7 was a foot note that was added to the bible hundreds of years (600 years i believe) after john was written. if i believed in a doctrine that relied on words that were added to the scriptures i would be worried.

Based on what the whole of the scriptures say, could you please explain how many these three, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are?

Are these three:

• 1
• 2
• 3
• other: Please explain

JLB

 

[markathome]

Based on what the whole of the scriptures say, could you please explain how many these three, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are?

Are these three:

• 1
• 2
• 3
• other: Please explain

Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?

Are these four:

• 1
• 2
• 3
• 4
• other: Please explain

 

[jasonc]

"I" is singular it means one, "he" is singular it means one.



Jesus taught believers to pray and worship the Father.

He recieved worship.he never said it was a sin to worship him.in fact The demons did.that's the problem you reduce Jesus to Angel ,no Angel could die for our sins.God had to. What exactly was Jesus on the earth? Man ,God and man or a gnostic spirit with no.flesh.?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Deuteronomy 32:39
“‘See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.

5973. im
Strong's Concordance
im: with
Definition: against
Definition: with

I have agreed and you presentation does naught to prove the God Head is singular and from the beginning, the word translated as God is plural and then the pronouns us and our are plural and we know for a fact that all three persons were present at the Baptism of Jesus because Jesus went into the water, The Father assured us that He was His Son and the Holy Spirit descended out from the sky. That makes three elements or persons in one God.

 

[markathome]

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

Before the death/resurrection, there was 3 in heaven that bore witness that Jesus/Messiah/Christ was the Son of God
And now there are 4 in heaven to bear witness that Jesus Christ is the Son of God
1) The Father is Real and a Witness
2) The Holy Ghost is Real and a Witness
3) The Word/Bible is Real and a Witness
4) The Jesus Christ is Real and a Witness

These 4 are 1, 3 are 1, 2 are 1, 1 is 1.
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

 

[JLB]

Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?

Are these four:

• 1
• 2
• 3
• 4
• other: Please explain

Other. These three are one, as the scripture says.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7


Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Genesis 1:26-27


The scriptures teach us man is three yet one, not four yet one.


Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:23



JLB

 

[JLB]

Before the death/resurrection, there was 3 in heaven that bore witness that Jesus/Messiah/Christ was the Son of God
And now there are 4 in heaven to bear witness that Jesus Christ is the Son of God
1) The Father is Real and a Witness
2) The Holy Ghost is Real and a Witness
3) The Word/Bible is Real and a Witness
4) The Jesus Christ is Real and a Witness

These 4 are 1, 3 are 1, 2 are 1, 1 is 1.
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Yes the Lord is one.

These three are one.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7

 

[jaybird]

Based on what the whole of the scriptures say, could you please explain how many these three, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, are?

Are these three:

• 1
• 2
• 3
• other: Please explain

JLB

i am assuming they are intended to be parts of the trinity as thats what the author seems to indicate when he added these words to the scripture which is strictly forbidden by the Almighty himself.

 

[markathome]

Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?

Are these four:

• 1
• 2
• 3
• 4
• other: Please explain

Other. These three are one, as the scripture says.

Are you to scared to answer the question?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?

• 1
• 2
• 3
• 4
• other: Please explain

 

[jaybird]

He recieved worship.he never said it was a sin to worship him.in fact The demons did.that's the problem you reduce Jesus to Angel ,no Angel could die for our sins.God had to. What exactly was Jesus on the earth? Man ,God and man or a gnostic spirit with no.flesh.?

was Jesus worshiped as king, Christ, the Most High? just because Jesus is worshiped does not make Him the Most High or part of a trinity. david is worshiped, angels are worshiped, etc, we never elevate them to the trinity.

 

[JLB]

Are you to scared to answer the question?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?
Based on what the whole of the Scriptures say, could you please explain how many these four, Father, Son, Word and Holy Spirit, are?

• 1
• 2
• 3
• 4
• other: Please explain

I answered your question, and refuted your theory with scripture.

Here it is again.

These three are one, as the scripture says.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
1 John 5:7


Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. Genesis 1:26-27


The scriptures teach us man is three yet one, not four yet one.


Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:23



Is man three, yet one or four yet one?

JLB