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does atheist belive that nothing created everything?

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Hi Saintman,
You're very smart.
You're right. An atheist would have to believe that something came from nothing.
There is no other explanation. They think Christians make no sense, when in reality, THEY make no sense. Only God can create. God created everything there is, the seen and the things not seen.

Scientists change their mind all the time, depending what they discover or think.
God NEVER CHANGES. He's the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
That's because God doesn't need to change. He knows He started everything.
 
P.S. Scientists also know that something cannot come from nothing.
They have a big problem on their hands, trying to understand what made everything!!
 
They think Christians make no sense, when in reality, THEY make no sense.

People say something like all God needs to do is a miracle or write his name in the sky to prove his existence.


Even if the stars were rearranged to say something its easy to say it could have been aliens powerful enough to do it.

Someone sends a message and says give me evidence God exists.

So I say give me evidence you exist.

But I do exist I obviously sent you this message.

Yea, but it could be monkeys mindlessly pounding on a keyboard.
 
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People say something like all God needs to do is a miracle or write his name in the sky to prove his existence.


Even if the stars were rearranged to say something its easy to say it could have been aliens powerful enough to do it.

Someone sends a message and says give me evidence God exists.

So I say give me evidence you exist.

But I do exist I obviously sent you this message.

Yea, but it could be monkeys mindlessly pounding on a keyboard.
I think what you're saying is this:
If I believe, I need no evidence.
If I don't believe, no evidence is sufficient.
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I consider myself an Atheist and used to be very active in Atheist forums and chats ( not so anymore, got really bored). Atheism isn't a religion or an ideology so it doesn't have any type of beliefs. All atheism really is, is a position on whether a person believes in a god or gods. That's it, it doesn't provide answers to anything else. Many atheists tend to gravitate towards the sciences and philosophies to satisfy their curiosities, but there is no demand to believe anything specifically.

For instance many atheists just state they don't know how the universe got here, or if it always existed, or if it was created etc. A lot of atheists are just very pragmatic and reserve acceptance of a stance unless there is a solid logical reason to adapt it.

I think the question of " Do atheists believe nothing created everything?" comes from confusion from just what an atheist is rather than what they believe.
 
I think most people who call themselves atheists do so because they don't know what to believe.

That's not it Brother. Deep down inside, everyone does know that there is a God. Whether they will admit it or not, is another story. But scripture tells us why they will not believe. That, they don't want to give up their favorite (take your pick) of the world...

It's in John, just past the most famous verse of the whole Bible, if you keep reading...

John 3:18-20
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.../

If there really was no God, then there would not be any atheists.
 
The positions I've heard from atheists about the universe usually seem to leave out the term "create." There are a few out there who think the world was made by something, but those are rarer views and often don't give God the credit. A collective conscience and reincarnation are the spiritual elements I hear most from atheist that believe in spiritual stuff without believing in God.

Of the other atheists that I've encountered more from, that hold a much more reserved opinion on spiritual elements. From them the explaination usually tends to go down the road that there's no such thing as something from nothing, so over time things changed to become what they are now. Not created that way but became that way or evolved into what they are.

The third view I've heard is one that I've heard from Christians as well. Though it's the rarest view I see expressed by anyone. The view is simply that they don't know.
 
That's not it Brother. Deep down inside, everyone does know that there is a God. Whether they will admit it or not, is another story. But scripture tells us why they will not believe. That, they don't want to give up their favorite (take your pick) of the world...
I know what you are trying to say here, but the big issue is Islam makes the exact same claim. Both can't be right, but both uses this claim. Actually Hindus state that everyone has a connection to everything and no one can deny that they aren't all cinnected. This also kind of morphs god into such an ambiguous notion that anything could be God. Any feeling, any evidence, etc. That is something most Atheists reject because it's an answer that doesn't serve to explain, but to explain away.



John 3:18-20
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
How could this be though? If everyone already believes and there is no way around it, how could they not believe?

If there really was no God, then there would not be any atheists.
That makes no sense. If there was no one that believed in a god then there would be no Atheists because the term would be meaningless. However, as long as there are people that claim there is a God and people that don't accept that God there will be atheists.
 
That is something most Atheists reject because it's an answer that doesn't serve to explain,

There's that textbook answer again, from Atheism 101. I hear that so much, but this is a choice and you know it. You've been hanging around this board long enough to know that, that's not how it works. First one makes the choice to trust God and commit your faith to him...and then, He will come and reveal Himself to you and you would have this proof that you demand. But you don't get it first...and it a choice to not even give Him a chance to prove Himself to you.

We cannot come before God and say, I demand that you prove yourself intellectually to me or else I (will not) can not believe...That is arrogant, and God requires us to be humble.

How could this be though? If everyone already believes and there is no way around it, how could they not believe?

(This one used to throw me, lol). Because, there's a difference between knowing something in the core of your being...and choosing to not act upon it. But rather turn away.

That makes no sense. If there was no one that believed in a god then there would be no Atheists because the term would be meaningless. However, as long as there are people that claim there is a God and people that don't accept that God there will be atheists.

I sort've wouldn't expect you to be able to wrap your mind around that. If there was really no God, then atheism wouldn't be necessary for them. Atheism is defensive maneuver for those who love the world and do not want to give a certain portion of it up...and they know that Christianity requires one to give up everything. Some atheists probably lie outright, in order to conceal and preserve their favorite sin, others may have even lied to themselves and perhaps are not consciously aware of what they are doing. That's what I think. However, I make no effort to say that you are one or the other, I don't know you. I'm speaking generally.
 
There's that textbook answer again, from Atheism 101. I hear that so much,
Have you ever stepped back and considered that maybe the reason you get that answer is because that is the Ctual stance of Atheists. I mean this would be like trying to discredit Christianity by hand waving away that almost every Christian will say they believe in the resurection.



but this is a choice and you know it. You've been hanging around this board long enough to know that, that's not how it works. First one makes the choice to trust God and commit your faith to him...and then, He will come and reveal Himself to you and you would have this proof that you demand. But you don't get it first...and it a choice to not even give Him a chance to prove Himself to you.
And it seems you forget every time that we talk that I wanted to be a preacher and I was part of the local youth group and fell away gradually.

}quote]We cannot come before God and say, I demand that you prove yourself intellectually to me or else I (will not) can not believe...That is arrogant, and God requires us to be humble.[/quote] What you never adress is that Christianity is not the only religion that does this. Islam adressed many Hindu Sects have this exact same claim. Also, I'm not asking God but the people who claim to have a relationship with God to show me something tangable and it always just turns into gaslighting.



(This one used to throw me, lol). Because, there's a difference between knowing something in the core of your being...and choosing to not act upon it. But rather turn away.
That doesn't make sense because what you are claiming is spied to be obvious and the people like me that reject that it's obvious have looked and it's not there. Something that I think makes more sense is that when the gospels were written all the cultures in the area were either poly or mono theistic. It was until lRome spread to mid Africa and into the Hindu Kush did Rome encounter civilizations built on paradigms outside of God's as they were familar with existed. It makes sense that a culture that was built around theistic principles would think that it was the default.



I sort've wouldn't expect you to be able to wrap your mind around that. If there was really no God, then atheism wouldn't be necessary for them.
God existing or not doesn't effect if the word Atheist exists. The term exists because there are people that believe in a god or gods. As long as there are people that believe there will be those that don't. The actual existence of God is secondary.


Atheism is defensive maneuver for those who love the world and do not want to give a certain portion of it up...and they know that Christianity requires one to give up everything.
No dude this what is called a straw man or gaslighting. Atheism is a negative position to a positive claim, such as a god exists. That's it. What you are saying after that sounds like a rationalization to why atheists exist rather than actually asking why an atheists exists. If you really want to know you have to come to a conversation in good faith. Otherwise you won't get anywhere.


However, I make no effort to say that you are one or the other, I don't know you. I'm speaking generally.
I am trying to tell you my position but you just hand wave away and tell me what I am instead of letting me tell ya who you I am.
 
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