Donald Trump's son set up meeting with Russian agent to discuss compromising material on Clinton

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  1. childeye

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    Are you saying that Liberals are already conservatives???
    We all suffer from the same phobia, "idiots with power". I cannot address your assertion without knowing to what you're referring.
     
  2. Politico

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    LOL. Of course I am speaking in generalities. I know that not all ideas and practices held by Liberals are regressive. But if they are so audacious as to label themselves "progressive," then I must use the label "regressive."
     
  3. Barbarian

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    Christian:
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    Much as I like the growth of my investments recently, there's some reason to worry:

    1987-Style Stock Market Crash in the Books for 2017? It’s Possible
    https://www.lombardiletter.com/1987...rash-in-the-books-for-2017-its-possible/8251/


    However, we're talking about the new evidence of collusion between Trump's people and the Russian government to undermine the presidential election.

    Donald Jr. is in more trouble than he thinks he is.


    Could Donald Trump Jr. go to jail?

    The question seems less far-fetched than it might have 24 hours ago, now that we’ve seen the emails in which he eagerly expresses interest in meeting with a Russian national purportedly offering damaging information about Democrat Hillary Clinton provided by the Russian government.

    Legal scholars and law enforcement officials are debating how much legal jeopardy the president’s oldest son finds himself in as a result of his 2016 meeting with a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower in New York City. The encounter, which took place just days after the elder Trump had sewed up the Republican presidential nomination, was brokered by a British publicist for a Russian pop star and was also attended by Paul Manafort, the Trump campaign’s chairman at the time, as well as Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, who is currently a White House senior adviser.

    The publicist wrote that the Russian lawyer would have documents that “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.” Trump Jr.’s reply: “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.” The story was broken by The New York Times on Tuesday.

    The central legal peril for Trump Jr. seems to revolve around campaign finance law. It’s a crime not only to accept but to solicit anything of value from a foreign national for a campaign. That obviously includes things like cash donations. But can the info about Clinton that the publicist promised be considered a donation that could meet the statute’s definition of a “thing of value”?

    Possibly. And was Trump Jr. actually soliciting it? That seems more clear-cut, given his enthusiastic eagerness to meet with the attorney, Natalia Veselnitskaya.

    It’s not clear if the lawyer actually transmitted anything of value to Trump Jr. He says she didn’t, and their conversation turned to U.S. sanctions erected in the wake of Moscow’s human rights abuses, and to the adoption ban President Vladimir Putin imposed as a reaction to the sanctions.

    But the fulfillment of a promise made by her or an intermediary is not the concern of the statute: The mere solicitation of a “thing of value” from a foreign national could be enough to trigger it. Whether Trump Jr. attended the meeting or dozed through it could well be beside the point. He eagerly sought it. Georgetown University Law School professor Paul Taylor, who is also a federal prosecutor, told MSNBC on Tuesday that federal prosecutors already had probable cause to arrest Trump Jr.
    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-jr-legal-jeopardy-635182

     
  4. childeye

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    Generally speaking, I too, often question the legitimacy of all things left being progressive.
     
  5. Barbarian

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    Yeah, that would have been better, although Trump generally preferred adult women to assault.
     
  6. Barbarian

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    Not yet. This is just another piece. More to come, it seems. Now, we find that it wasn't just Junior who was colluding with Russian agents. Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner were in on it as well.

    As far as Mueller's investigation is concerned, he only needs to show that there was collusion between Russian government and the Trump campaign. Whether or not it was effective is not relevant to whether or not the crime was committed. If you try to steal a car, it's a crime, even if you don't succeed.
     
  7. Potluck

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    Collusion to do what? Dig up dirt on Hillary? Really? With all the illegal leaks to the press to dig up dirt on Trump that would seem to be a glaring hypocrisy to say the least. Collusion with the Russians for opposition research perhaps? Seems to me the reason has been dropped and now it's just plain "collusion". We're not looking for collusion with the Russians to influence the election anymore but just looking for anything that looks like collusion of any kind.

    Thing of value?
    "It’s not clear if the lawyer actually transmitted anything of value to Trump Jr."
    Yes, read of that fairy tale last week. And Veselnitskaya has ties to Fusion GPS that fabricated the so-called "Trump dossier".

    Fusion GPS: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
    “Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the President and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier,” he said. “These developments raise serious issues as to exactly who authorized and participated in any effort by Russian nationals to influence our election in any manner.”

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    Donald Trump Jr: Former Soviet counterintelligence officer confirms he attended Russian lawyer meeting
    Mr Akhmetshin said Ms Veselnitskaya brought a plastic folder with her, containing printed documents that detailed what she believed could potentially be the flow of illicit funds to the Democratic National Committee. Ms Veselnitskaya presented the contents of the documents to the Trump associates and suggested that making the information public could help the Trump campaign, he said.

    Mr Trump Jr asked the lawyer if she had all the evidence to back up her claims, according to Mr Akhmetshin, including whether she could demonstrate the flow of the money. But Ms Veselnitskaya allegedly claimed the Trump campaign would need to research it more.

    After that exchange, Mr Trump Jr lost interest, Mr Akhmetshin said. “They couldn’t wait for the meeting to end,” he told the Associated Press.

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    Thing of value?

    Anyway with all the leftist interest now so laser-focused on this meeting and no mention anywhere linking this meeting to any of the hyped allegations during the past year to find any evidence at all I'd have to say this is all the left has. This is it. The proverbial basket of eggs. I expect the media to beat this dead horse into dust in a desperate attempt to make something of it further disenchanting the American public with the media.
     
  8. childeye

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    What are the chances of this being coincidental in regards to collusion?

    The Magnitsky Act was most likely discussed at the meeting, since Donald jr. mentioned adoptions. The Magnitsky Act is directly tied to this high profile case that then Attorney General Preet Bharara was aggressively pursuing, when he was abruptly fired by the Trump administration's Department of justice, after vehemently refusing to resign.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/will_bunch/ag-sessions-the-russian-lawyer-and-the-money-laundering-case-that-went-away-20170717.html


    It didn’t make a lot of news in May when the U.S. Department of Justice abruptly settled a case against a Russian firm, Prevezon Holdings, that stood accused of laundering ill-gotten gains through Manhattan real estate. Reports said the case, which was about to go to trial, was settled for $6 million — far less than expected — and that the Russian firm was not required to make any admission of guilt. Officials with Prevezon at the time said (echoing “The Godfather” without irony) that the offer from the Jeff Sessions-led Justice Department “was too good to refuse.”


    At that moment, it seemingly meant nothing that one of the lawyers in the case — representing the family of Pyotr Katsyv, the former vice governor of the Moscow region, whose son, Denis owned Prevezon — was a virtually unknown Russian named Natalia Veselnitskaya.
    She said in May that the favorable deal her client was offered by Trump’s Justice Department was “almost an apology from the (U.S.) government.”

    Today, anyone who follows American politics knows who Veselnitskaya is: The woman whose June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and then-Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, as well as a former Russian counter-intelligence officer turned lobbyist, has become the biggest bombshell revelation in the quest to learn the extent of any Trump-Russia collusion in last year’s election.
     
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  9. Potluck

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    Not a whole lot considering Goldstone wanted to set up a meeting to help a friend of his and that topic was on their minds since sanctions were imposed.

    That biggest bombshell is simply more powder in another blank cartridge.

    Asking what are the chances of being a coincidence suggests not enough facts available to make a conclusive statement. It serves only to suggest acceptance for the opinion of the one doing the asking.
     
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  10. childeye

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    Christian:
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    Sure I'm just connecting the dots. But the dots are there.
     
  11. Potluck

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    Ok so what are you looking for in the connected dots? Collusion with the Russians to hack the election, collusion with the Russians to gain dirt on Hillary, collusion with the Russians to reverse sanctions or collusion to lower the price of vodka?
     
  12. childeye

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    I believe Russia wants the sanctions removed, and to expand it's influence as an autocracy. I have no idea what Trump is getting or whether Russia has something on him.
     
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    Some people sure are spending a lot of time trying to find something that isn't a criminal act to begin with, grow up and move on...
     
  14. Potluck

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    Christian:
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    Of course Russia wants the sanctions lifted.

    So you're shooting an arrow then trying to paint a target around it.

    Does anybody know what the collusion is supposed to be for?

    Hey Hillary! Why are you running for president?
    <crickets>

    Just another hyped smear campaign waged by the media with the left in tow.
     
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    What target would that be? To me the target should be to stop Putin from getting around any punishment for killing those who report Russian money laundering.
    I think most people think it means to conspire to cheat with a foreign adversary to get an individual elected to office who favored the adversary.

    Not according to our intelligence agencies. The DNC was definitely hacked.
     
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    What target?
    Let's not beat around the bush here. The target is Trump.

    And that individual is Trump because the left cant believe the election wasnt stolen or otherwise illegitimate.

    This has been a Trump smear campaign for over a year now. And people know it.
     
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    Well you said this: "So you're shooting an arrow then trying to paint a target around it". It's hard to imagine that you could have been referring to Trump as a manufactured target, since he is the only one who as President can lift sanctions on behalf of Russia. Only his Justice Department can fire Preet Bharara and settle a 230 million dollar money laundering case against a Russian Oligarch for six million dollars.
    Respectfully, these statements can only be based upon falsehood, since you contradict your own words as seen here from post#36, "It all still comes down to opinion". You yourself claim that you don't know for certain, so therefore these statements show that you're projecting your own bias negatively onto others, rather than deal with the real possibility that Donald Trump and his campaign may have conspired with the Russians so as to try and get the sanctions lifted.

    Here's the reality. The Senate overwhelmingly passed a bill 97 to 2 to make it harder for Trump to lift sanctions. That's 97 Senators who represent people who don't know what you claim people know, even though you also claimed to not know..
     
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    Christian:
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    Yes, the DNC was hacked. But...by who? The DNC refused to allow the FBI to have a look-see at their computers/servers.

    What we do know is that some of those DNC emails were released. But...by who? Certain individuals have claimed to have done the job, as well as providing the emails to Wikileaks.

    Once the hue and cry began, after the election, that the Russians tried to influence the election, then the blame for the hacked DNC emails was placed on the Russians.

    It hasn't been all that long ago when some here in CE&P were telling us that the Cold War was over. That the Russians were even allies of a sort.

    After the election, we're now told that the Russians are our #1 enemies. It's been Russia, Russia, Russia non-stop.

    The Russians did not hack our election process. Sure, they tried to influence the election by posting fake news - so we're told.

    However, how many people were influenced by the alleged fake news? No one has any idea.

    So the spin was designed and the blame was placed with the Trump campaign. Collusion? Doesn't exist. Just as Obstruction of Justice doesn't exist.

    Oh, one final note: Former FBI Director James Comey is writing a book, with a publisher avidly awaiting the final draft. It will be interesting to see just what he writes.
     
  19. childeye

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    Just out: The Obama Administration knew far in advance of November 8th about election meddling by Russia. Did nothing about it. WHY?

    6:43 PM - 23 Jun 2017
     
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    Precisely.

    Before the election, there were crickets sounding off about Russia.

    After the election, then the hue and cry sounded.
     

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