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This reminds me of being at a very special place to eat years ago, and prior to ordering a young woman came to the table and asked if we'd like something to drink. I answered yes, we'll have iced tea. On no, that's not what I meant, would you like something from the bar, she said. I politely responded, no thank you, I'm not an alcaholic. She went away seeming to be offended, and guess what? When a waitress came to take our order later, she also wanted to know what we wanted to drink, but no opposition this time to our request for tea.
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I find it hard to believe that any business would continue to pressure a patron when he/she refused to accept a complimentary item. This story sounds a bit far fetched to me. I know that acquaintances, particularly teens or early 20's will do this but business establishments? I have my doubts.
Being a Christian does not forbid one from drinking a beverage containing alcohol. Scripture certainly has much to say about being drunk but I have not found where having a drink was forbidden.
Being a Christian does not forbid one from drinking a beverage containing alcohol. Scripture certainly has much to say about being drunk but I have not found where having a drink was forbidden.
Northman
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Can you find that one? The only OT one I can see is Leviticus 10:9, and that was restricted to them not having it while on duty at the temple. Since then, many a believer has called out to God while intoxicated and haven't been killed. Not sure how that one could be force-fitted for today.
King Dan of Great the 1st
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Aside from Jesus making the best wine.
1 timothy 5:23
1 timothy 3:8
1 timothy 5:23
1 timothy 3:8
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Jim Parker
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Citation please.
At 1 Tim 3:3, Paul said that an overseer should be "Not given to wine." (NKJV)
The RSV translates that "no drunkard" and the NASB: "not addicted to wine."
He also instructed Timothy to take a little wine for his frequent illnesses. (1Ti 5:23)
So the idea that a Christian shouldn't drink alcohol is not based in scripture but rather in 19th century, western temperance movement.
Jim Parker
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That was not polite. "No thank you." would have been polite.
Accusing everyone who ever has a glass of wine or a beer with their meal of being an alcoholic is not polite.
The non-Christian generally perceives such a response as being self righteous and reasonable cause not to want to ever associate with Christians or Christ.
Just sayin.....
jasonc
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I'm very anti drinking and I don't assume that neither is is a drink of beer a sin.
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banded butterfly
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It is a shame the European airline had such offensive employees aboard. No, means no.
While the Christian man was a bit lost in thinking he could work, drink alcohol, and lose his salvation. He must live a very frightened life.
We can drink alcohol. The scriptures warn against drunkenness, or drinking to excess. If we weren't able to drink alcohol, Jesus would have a lot of explaining to do about that wedding in Cana.
For me, the point of the thread is:
A Christian's life reference is Love, and to become true (in thought and action). Being drunk does not fit that description (self-will run riot).
Many non-Christian's life reference is fear and end up becoming deceptive (though they may not see it that way).
A Christian's life reference is Love, and to become true (in thought and action). Being drunk does not fit that description (self-will run riot).
Many non-Christian's life reference is fear and end up becoming deceptive (though they may not see it that way).
dirtfarmer
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dirtfarmer here
Scripture states that all things are lawful, but not expedient. Any thing that you do that harms a weaker brother's conscience shouldn't be done, even though it is not sin. Romans 14:21, & 1 Corinthians 8:9-13
Scripture states that all things are lawful, but not expedient. Any thing that you do that harms a weaker brother's conscience shouldn't be done, even though it is not sin. Romans 14:21, & 1 Corinthians 8:9-13
Jim Parker
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OOOPS!!!! SORRY!!!
That was not you who made the comment to the waitress.
MY BAD!!!
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That was not you who made the comment to the waitress.
MY BAD!!!
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It's definitely not very nice to pressure someone else into drinking. Refusing alcohol might not even necessarily be faith related, oftentimes it's a medical reason. I was on cholesterol medication for a while, which had instructions to avoid alcoholic beverages while on it.
Jim Parker
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Yes
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. (Mark 7:15-23; Romans 7:9-25)
One of the most common topics in respect to moderation is that of drinking alcohol. Ephesians 5:18 commands, “Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery.” Balance that with the fact that Jesus Himself did not completely abstain from drinking (see Matthew 11:19) and Paul’s statement to Timothy, “Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illness” (1 Timothy 5:23). Taking these verses together, it’s clear the Bible permits the drinking of alcohol, but absolutely forbids drinking to the point of drunkenness, which is excess. Some people conclude it’s better not to drink at all, and that’s perfectly acceptable, too.
www.gotquestions.org/Bible-moderation.html
One of the most common topics in respect to moderation is that of drinking alcohol. Ephesians 5:18 commands, “Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery.” Balance that with the fact that Jesus Himself did not completely abstain from drinking (see Matthew 11:19) and Paul’s statement to Timothy, “Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illness” (1 Timothy 5:23). Taking these verses together, it’s clear the Bible permits the drinking of alcohol, but absolutely forbids drinking to the point of drunkenness, which is excess. Some people conclude it’s better not to drink at all, and that’s perfectly acceptable, too.
www.gotquestions.org/Bible-moderation.html
stovebolts
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Ha, you have obviously never been around a slobbering drunk wound in his emotions repeating, i love you man! I love you! Lol!
The irony? I'm sitting at the Tilted Axis in Lapeer Mi. Enjoying the best Irish Red Ale I've ever had. It's well deserved as I've already rode my bike 11 miles and I have 10 more to go to get back home.
Hope I don't get a dui on my bike lol!
stovebolts
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I understand. And while I can't speak for others, I can speak for myself.
Btw, I made it home safely.
For me, it's an escape at times. It settles my mind and slows my thought process. For me, a beer, maybe 2, but rarely 3 or more is a comfort.
When I was young I drank to get drunk. I went 25 or so years with rarely a sip.
I think what made it ok to have 1 beer a day was my cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic. A beer a day, and no more is good for the heart.
dirtfarmer
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dirtfarmer here
A beer or 2 with a steak is hard to beat.
A beer or 2 with a steak is hard to beat.