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Ha, I stopped drinking coffee last year about the same time I started drinking beer Lol! I was wrestling preparing for a tournament and had a scare. Cardiologist said no more maxing out my cardiovascular system and to cut down on the coffee unless I wanted to switch to decaff. I now enjoy coffee on the weekends, but not during the week. Yesterday at the doc, my pulse was 51 and my pressure was 101 over 62 or 68.

Ironically, the Cleveland Clinic hints that a drink a day is good for the heart. I was talking to my cardiologist there and he said they down play the benefits of alcohol because most can't stop at a drink a day which leads to other medical issues with the liver etc. So, I try to stay within that guidline,and it's much easier as time heals the aching in my bones and in my soul.

I'm sorry to hear about your son and his depression. My older brother suffered that, and so have I several times in my life. That's why I did not drink for so many years and why I would not drink after my daughter died. I learned that lesson with my first daughter when she died. In a way, her death, as well as being the one who found this boy, and brought him to shore, and later the funeral http://www.macombdaily.com/20070723/boy-9-dies-in-apparent-drowning-at-stony-creek
Along with the death of my brother helped me to navigate the death of my other daughter.

In short, I found out that depression and alcohol are not always good partners. My youngest son is 18 and all of this plus other deaths in his life has taken it's toll. He drinks and won't separate from his pot. It hurts me, but I understand, in part his why. So this is where prayer and openness comes in and I don't let my fears over take me, nor do I impose them on others. He is my only son, whom I love, so I need patience and wisdom.

I am sorry for rambling, and I hope you know your not alone with your burdons and something I've said brings you some sort of comfort. And with that, I'll leave you with this.

Scripture says that we are to pray for the burdens of others. But when it is your child, and if we can be honest, we pray that they get their heads out of their butts, stop the stupidness and as parents, our pain from watching them make mistake after mistake would come to an end.

That's kinda selfish, and we miss the opportunity to see our kids as individuals with issues we may have contributed to. This isn't blame. So, what I have learned is to pray for the burdens of my child, and when I did, I realized that when his burden is lifted, his behavior will follow and my burden will be lifted.

The mission of Jesus is reconciliation... So should ours.

God bless.
Thanks for sharing. You're right that alcohol and depression aren't good partners. I've battled depression myself and am still being treated. I'm going to wean myself off the drug (with the doc's okay) and see how it goes. It's rough to deal with anxiety and depression and try to stay normal. I'll never give up my panic attack meds. I don't use them unless I have. Usually a bottle of 30 expires and there's 25 plus still in the bottle. But I refill the prescription just the same. I'm lucky. I don't like drugs. Even pain medication that puts me in lala land I don't finish. The pain was better than the awful feeling of being on another planet.
 
ugh. psych drugs. psychiatry: friend or foe? LOL.

I guess...one does what one must do, right? Personally, I took my "atypical" tranquilizer this AM.

Weaning off psych drugs can be difficult, especially the benzodiazepines. Its weird...you can get refills on the benzodiazepines, but the tapering process is often straight up hell on earth. Amphetamines cannot be refilled, but quitting prescription uppers is relatively easy, by comparison. I don't get it.

I was able to drop my depression drug quickly and painless-ly, thank goodness. Some people have horror stories. I've read that 10% reduction per month is a good rate for a lot of people. Compounding pharmacies can help, if needed.
 
Coffee is my drug of choice.
Speaking of which, is it weird that caffeine does NOT give me energy or have any noticeable effect? I suppose if I were tired it might help me wake up, but so would eating or drinking just about anything else.
 
Speaking of which, is it weird that caffeine does NOT give me energy or have any noticeable effect? I suppose if I were tired it might help me wake up, but so would eating or drinking just about anything else.
Caffeinated coffee never did much for keeping me alert as far as I could ever tell. The problem with it for me was heartburn. I was struggling with persistent heartburn a few years ago and I don't know why but the thought hit me so I decided to try switching to decaf and when I did my heartburn issues disappeared. To this day if I drink caffeinated coffee I will feel it about two hours later so I best have some antacids handy. Funny thing is that when I researched the likely side effects of drinking decaffeinated coffee the first one listed is usually heartburn because decaf still contains the acids just like caffeinated. I can't explain it.
 
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As the saying goes, "Wine does more than Milton can, to justify God's ways to man." (Milton is the poetic genius who wrote "Paradise Lost.") Seriously impaired at least once a week is my 11th Commandment. Grow up, people. If you want to play your little holier-than-thou games, shut up and keep them to yourself.
 
As the saying goes, "Wine does more than Milton can, to justify God's ways to man." (Milton is the poetic genius who wrote "Paradise Lost.") Seriously impaired at least once a week is my 11th Commandment. Grow up, people. If you want to play your little holier-than-thou games, shut up and keep them to yourself.
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Where is that in the NT?
It's not in the NT.
The OT has this:
Lev 10:9-11 “Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, and that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD has spoken to them by the hand of Moses.

The OT also has this:
Deu 14:22-27 “You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.

But if the journey is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, or if the place where the LORD your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, when the LORD your God has blessed you, then you shall exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household. You shall not forsake the Levite who is within your gates, for he has no part nor inheritance with you.
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As with anything that can become an issue that is not strictly prohibited in Scripture, its not necessarily the use, but its the frequency.

It is undeniable that there is an effect that alcohol produces, so, when and where and how and why this is being pursued could be the answer to "should you drink".

If you are a Christian and you said...."well, im in a bar, and in a bar you drink."
So, in that case, the drink is the least of your issues.....

Another Christian says....."i like to have a few beers with my friends.."
And i would say....."in church"?

Another Christian says...."i like a cold beer or a few during the weekend and at other times maybe some wine with my diner.
And i would say....."let your conscience provide you with the answer, as if you think its sin then dont do it, but if you see it as
nothing, then i'd say,... if that is how you feel, and what you truly believe, then there is your answer.
"if you esteem something to be sin, then it is to you"......and this is why one Believer can do something and for them, its fine, but its not fine for another believer who has a different mindset, as for them, it would not be fine, it would not be ok.

Think of it like this..
There are some people who are so religious that they would feel that their salvation can be damaged if they are not in church every Sunday.
So that is "Christian A"
"Christian B", decides that they will go out in the boat, and fish all Sunday, starting early and getting home at night.

Christian A, is sitting in church that day, thinking, '""""wow i wish the preacher would hurry up, im just bored and i want to go get a nice streak and some shrimp, if HE WOULD JUST STOP PREACHING....""""

Christian B, is fishing all Sunday long, She is looking at the water and the sunrise and then later the sunset.
In between she is thinking about the wonder of God's creation, is fellowshipping with God in her heart, and while she's waiting for the next fish to bite, she is going over the BIBLE verses she has memorized this last few days, while she's just having the best day she's had in months.

So, do you see?
See?
 
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