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I have a question, games like Dungens and Dragons, what do you think aobut them and how should the be approtched from a Christian veiw??

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Good question....

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Dragons in the Bible (if that is what you are referring to) were dinosaurs. Evolutionists are simply wrong by asserting that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. See also Job 40 about the behemoth, which was also a dinosaur.

In Yahweh's (jehovah is not God's name) Love,

Cherub
 
lol o my! You were talking about games! lol I am embarressed now! I was very tired when I read the first post sheesh .

well its no big deal I guess lol :wink:
 
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On 04/02-2002
I believe that as a christian we should seperate ourselves from things that will go against what we believe in. In life we will always be tempted, dealing with lifes problems is normal, but dabling with things such as D&D that go agaisnt our beliefs is wrong. This is just my belief, as a christian you must read the bible and understand for yourself.

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my personal view point is if you are doing it as a game and in fun then I don't see that much wrong with it. But if you are doing it to get in touch with demons or something of that sort then you have issues.
 
Seek the kingdom of heaven first before other things...and simple decisions as to games of children will be answered by the SPIRIT as miracles in front of thy children. And this FAITH will show for them the way. amen
 
Churub, what do you mean by Jehovah is not God's name?.........Dee
 
adelpit346 said:
Seek the kingdom of heaven first before other things...and simple decisions as to games of children will be answered by the SPIRIT as miracles in front of thy children. And this FAITH will show for them the way. amen

Amen
 
If you are going to label playing these games as evil than it is safe to assume that we should label "imagination" itself as evil as well. We should fill our minds only with what others perceive as "good" and "bad". we should give up any delving into our own minds in order to find new possibiliteis and accept the "reality" that is given us.

If you say that D & D is wrong than you shouldnt watch Lord of the Rings or Star Wars or anything that is outside our "paradigm" of real. This could go further to include religon itself as it does not conform to our "perceptions" of normal.
 
Deuteronomy 18

9. When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
12. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

I am not innocent so bear with me. I do enjoy Star Wars.

But this verse says that not only are we suppose to not those things, but not even learn to do those things.

It is obvious that God really hates witchcraft.
 
im up 4 god with all my heart and spirit but i dont think d+d is wrong. basing your life on it is wrong but its only a game.
its not like youll want to sudenly pick up a peice of wood and start saying incantations
 
I played D&D for 4 years in 3 different groups. I grew up in a deeply christian home and my parents were not happy with it but let me go on finding my own path (I assume).

I found that in my case most or all of the people I met and played with felt the same way I did about it. A game, something to do when we were bored and we didn't base our lives around it or become satanistic or ritualistic about it.

http://www.chick.com/articles/dnd.asp
http://www.chick.com/articles/frpg.asp

Both very good articles about d&d relating to christians and how it effects us psychologically. I never became as dependant and deep rooted in it as this person did, but I decided to quit playing completely once my life was turned around. I am still an avid reader of Fantasy and Science Fiction but try to keep away from anything as far as magical or sorcery, but nobody among us is perfect and I have to admit; George Lucas, JRR Tolkien, Terry Bradshaw, and Wachowski Brothers some of my favorite writers/directors... Too bad they aren't making christian films or writing christian books though.

William Schnoebelen said:
If you play at shooting your friend in the head with what you think is an unloaded pistol and don't know a shell is in the chamber, is your friend any less dead because you were playing?

William Schnoebelen said:
God says that if you tamper with magic and the occult, you are stepping out from under His will and His protection (assuming you are a Christian). If you are not a Christian, then you are REALLY playing with fire. Some verses which clearly teach this are found in Exod. 22:18, Lev. 19:31, Lev. 20:6, Deut. 18:10, 1Sam. 15:23, 2Kgs. 21:6, Is. 8:19, Gal. 5:20, Rev. 21:8, Rev. 22:15.
 
http://www.cybermoonstudios.com/8bitDandD.html

I think it's hilarious when people label D&D as evil, I actually used to play it with a church group several years ago. There are no Satanic references, no demonic incantations. It's simply a game that uses the imagination based in a fantasy adventure type setting. It's no worse than playing the final fantasy games on the playstation except it has a little more freedom with your actions etc.
 
It's no worse than playing the final fantasy games on the playstation except it has a little more freedom with your actions etc.

I do agree with you on that it is no different then reading or watching Lord of the rings, playing any video game that has to with witchcraft, or just watching a disney movie.

It doesn't make it right, but there is no lesser evil in this case.
 
D&D

I would first like to say that I have been playing D&D for several years now, playing the pen and paper game as well as many D&D computer games (Neverwinter Nights for example.) I have enjoyed playing the pen and paper version with many different groups of people in different parts of the country. So I think I can give an accurate depiction of what happens at a normal game.

I would first like to make some arguments against what others have said here before making refutations to William Schnoebelen's work http://www.chick.com/articles/dnd.asp and http://www.chick.com/articles/frpg.asp . After that, I will give several reason why you should play D&D.

To the posters:
1) I would like to point out how many of you automaticly assume that somthing is evil before giving it a second thought. I would pose a challange to you: Give me five things which are not evil and are not religious in nature.
2)To Deuteronomy 18: Remeber, this is old testement, IT IS NOT CRISTIAN, not to say that it has no anilitical merit, but assuming we are based on a Cristian standard, we look at the teachings of Christ, who hung around prostitutes and tax collectors, not holy saintly people.

To William Schnoebelen's articles:
He writes: "Today shelves in major bookstores literally groan under the weight of various of books on Wicca, for example. Some of these books, like TEEN WITCH, are written for young readers. There is even a DUMMIES GUIDE TO WICCA AND WITCHCRAFT!! When D&D started, you could perhaps find four or five books on Wicca in print.

Now, obviously not all of this can be laid at the door of D&D. But in the 1970's, it was one of the major cultural phenomena that planted the seeds that have sprouted into Harry Potter and all the occult books and movies."

But he never again tells you why it planted the seed, He sets a post hoc fallacy, or says that just becuase somthing came before the second, it was the cause of the second.

Will goes on to talk about how there are different charachters in the game, such as Wizards, Palidins, Fighters, Barbarians, Druids, Clerics, and Monks (which are i agree a more eastern varient.)

Then he goes about attacking each one of these.
The Wizards may be bad, ok I will agree to that,
the fighters, monks and Barbarians may randomly kill, so that could be bad,
but when it comes to the Druids Clerics and Palidins, those can be really good.

Druids are at one with nature and natures god, they seek only to protect nature and its creatures. Yes, they get spells after some expirence, but these are from the power of nature, not some demi-god.
Palidins and Clerics: I will cite the players handbook: pg 29 "A cleric uses the power of his god to make his god's will manifest. [...] Clerics are masters of divine magic. Divine magic is especially good at healing. Even an inexperienced cleric can bring people back from the brink of death..."
I think if we fond a god worshiping person in our world who could cure wounds we might call him a saint.

And finally, D&D is a fantasy role playing game. There are several things this impacts: (1) It is not real, who cares. (2) It gives you the ability to choose what you want to do with your charachter's life, your charachter is not you, so it can't be tied to your values, but if it were, your charachter could still do good.

I would like to explain some things which are good about D&D:

It teaches children good values; these include: empathy, your child will be able to ask herself, how does this person feel when I do that;

friendship, your child will find an activity to do with friends (and even you!) which would keep them off the streets and from doing drugs, etc. ;

it nourishes a creative imagination, somthing which great people like Dante had to use to bring us all closer to God in his works;

it promotes teamwork, charachters often group together in partys to achive a quest.

If these things are bad, then I don't know what is good.
I would invite people to attack what I have said here, I would like to respond to you arguments and clarify my ideas
 
Cherub said:
Dragons in the Bible (if that is what you are referring to) were dinosaurs. Evolutionists are simply wrong by asserting that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. See also Job 40 about the behemoth, which was also a dinosaur.

LMFAO. :lol:

They're called scientists, geologists, and paleontologists...and they're not wrong.

LMFAO. :lol:

Here's a snippet from a Christian website. NOTICE HOW IT TELLS THE STUDENT TO IMMEDIATELY SHUT OFF HIS BRAIN IF HIS THINKING STARTS TO COME INTO CONFLICT WITH THE BIBLE. IT'S SICKENING HOW RELIGION STIFLES PEOPLES' MINDS AND MAKES THEM FEEL BAD FOR USING THEM. SICKENING!!!




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Are Dinosaurs in the Bible?

Before reading any further, ask yourself why it is that you ask this question.

Is it because you see a conflict between the clear teachings of Scripture, with what those who believe in Evolution teach?

As Christians we must learn to treat God’s word as the source of absolute truth and authority. To answer questions about dinosaurs and Creation, we must start our thinking with the Bible, and from there find the answers. If we trust the Bible as true, and accept theories compatible with scripture we will never have a problem.

Sometimes Christians are tempted to change the Bible to fit their theories. But scientific theories change. God's word remains the same it never changes.

In the book of â€Job†chapter 38:4, God asks Job an important question:


"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?"
No Scientist was there when the earth was formed or when life began. So any ideas they currently have are only educated guesses.

The only way to learn the truth about how and when life began is to read the testimony of the only one who was there, God himself.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/

****END EXCERPT**********
 
Re to is D&D bad?

I kind of see D&D as like, well compare it to alcohol. Its not inherintly evil but can be abused. Personaly I enjoy a good gaming session, its alot of fun to hang out with friends and use you imaginations together, and through our common interests of fantasy Ive made some wonderful dear Christian friends. Its also fun to have the inside jokes that come from this sort of stuff - you know, when something went really well "you rolled a natural 20 there" etc. etc. But I also know a few people who got way to deep into it, and have had to long battle adiction. You just need to be careful and respect anyone who has decided that they dont even want to touch it. Going back to my alcohol analogy many Christians feel that there is nothing wrong with the occasional drink in moderation but many have decided that they simply dont wish to drink at all, even if it isnt "wrong". Same thing with D&D I (and many others) feel that there is nothing wrong with playing fantasy games for fun and entertainment with friends, but many people have also made the decision to have nothing to do with them. In both cases I believe that the first group should respect the second by not pressuring them and the second should respect the first by not preaching. Just my oppinion :)
 

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