Dungens and Dragons

[GODBLESSMYSOUL]

its no big deal.why should a game
be frowned on :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

 

[Rogue 9]

Been taken care of, at least for here. We work to convince others as well, but it takes time. Fortunately, most of that time was spent already. : All those articles are old.

 

[Orlandu]

I've never partaken in actual Dungeons and Dragons, but I do Role-Play on frequent. Basically, RP is using the same system as D&D (Races, weapons, armors, etc) but it's text. There is no Game Master, there is only your imagination. It's similiar to writing, if you add interactivity between characters. I would say D&D is evil, and there are certain parts of the Bible that say we should stray from evil. As for Free-form Role-Play, I think it's an exception. The things we write, are similiar to Tolkien. Not all of us have the same Christian values as he did, but that's where it gets complicated.

 

[Rogue 9]

I would say D&D is evil, and there are certain parts of the Bible that say we should stray from evil.

Let's have your basis for that. Why?

As for Free-form Role-Play, I think it's an exception.

Again, why? You're being highly inconsistent; the differences are negligible.

The things we write, are similiar to Tolkien.

And I can run a D&D game similar to Tolkien's style. Or a freeform roleplaying group could decide to play a bunch of evil looters and pillagers. It works both ways.

 

[JakTak]

Rogue9, what you fail to realize is that everyone has different experiences. There are players who get into D&D-BASED satanic rituals, sexual acts, and otherwise christianly EVIL actions. I can tell you this because I had friends who went that far.

Probably about 80 percent of all D&D players do so in their free time, have lives, do other things, and even may be christians. Their lives are not formed around D&D or other Fantasy things, it's just for enjoyment.

Then there are the hardcore people, 29 percent or so. These are people that play every RPG-Fantasy Game that comes out. People that know exactly how much a Black Potion of Thorn costs and it's exact attributes. People who REALLY enjoy sitting at their computer playing PC RPG's for 5-10+ hours a day. And they have a D&D group that plays 2-4 times a week. They sit around a table and play it the way it's SUPPOSE to be. AND they continue to carry on normal lives with people, and understand that they live in a civilized society.

That leaves the 1 percenters, and I am obviously off, but that is for message purposes only. These people are the ones who DO go and learn the encantations and the practices (whether fake or real) and perform them. Not always while playing D&D, but Fantasy in general. My old friend, is now 35 years old or so. He lives in his parent's garage, unemployed. I think he does lawn care during the summer, I couldn't say cause I don't know for sure. But last time I knew, he does FANTASY 20 hours a day, about half of which is D&D. With friends and in internet chatrooms.

You ask him how to eat somebody's soul and he will give you a serious, lengthy discussion about how to 'properly' do such a thing. People like this exist. I can't tell you how people in general get to that point, cause I don't know.

The only point left is that D&D does or does not cause this. In his case, it did. So there's an example.

But the plain truth is that D&D is a Fantasy Escapism RPG. It is meant to be played while sitting around a room, at a table, or just standing around. Unlike what you may or may not have heard, MOST people don't perform the actions of their characters using real or fake weapons. They just sit around and talk out the actions, as if they were VOICE actors.

That's how I always played. But you can't deny the fact, there are some people who just take it too far. And some of those people's first RPG-game was Dungeons and Dragons. I think it's healthy to play the game, you just have to have control over yourself. Plus it helps the imagination. So there!

/heh

 

[Rogue 9]

Probably about 80 percent of all D&D players do so in their free time, have lives, do other things, and even may be christians.

Then there are the hardcore people, 29 percent or so.

That leaves the 1 percenters, and I am obviously off, but that is for message purposes only.

That adds up to 110%. Brilliant, Holmes.

But the plain truth is that D&D is a Fantasy Escapism RPG. It is meant to be played while sitting around a room, at a table, or just standing around. Unlike what you may or may not have heard, MOST people don't perform the actions of their characters using real or fake weapons. They just sit around and talk out the actions, as if they were VOICE actors.

Gee, thanks for the update. In case you failed to pick up on this little detail, I play. :roll:

That's how I always played. But you can't deny the fact, there are some people who just take it too far. And some of those people's first RPG-game was Dungeons and Dragons. I think it's healthy to play the game, you just have to have control over yourself. Plus it helps the imagination. So there!

Are you sure you're arguing with me? I'm fairly certain that I've said from my very first entrance into this thread (sometime last year ) that those with pre-existing mental problems such as the incapacity to distinguish the imaginary from the real should not play for the same reason that epileptics shouldn't play video games or watch movies with sudden bright flashes. The game doesn't actively harm normal people, but someone with pre-existing delusions can center them on the game. But such a person could just as easily latch onto solitaire, soap operas, or any number of other things. The problem is not the game. It would happen anyway, only with another center.

Rogue9, what you fail to realize is that everyone has different experiences. There are players who get into D&D-BASED satanic rituals, sexual acts, and otherwise christianly EVIL actions. I can tell you this because I had friends who went that far.

What you fail to realize is that it'd be kind of difficult to base thise things, especially the sexual acts part, on D&D, because there's nothing in the game to base them on. There was something else involved there. Has to be. Its kind of hard to derive sexual acts from number charts mapping the probability of encountering a certain random monster. Just doesn't work. :

 

[JakTak]

Only the first paragraph was for you. The rest was in general. So there! And I flunked math, several times. So what if it's 110%, that's possible. So the first one is 70

And if I remember correctly, somebody was asking us for advice on if they should play or not, or something like that. I take a middle ground. You take a, it's good side. Obviously D&D is all about opinion.

/bleh

 

[Rogue 9]

Well, earlier in this thread you cited articles on the web site of Jack Chick concerning D&D. Let's review the answer to that, shall we?

And you believe the stain upon humanity that is Jack Chick?

Erosion of family values-the Dungeon Master (DM) demands an all-encompassing and total loyalty, control and allegiance.

Manifestly false. The DM does no such thing. [quote:eb9f4]Situational Ethics-any act can be justified in the mind of the player, therefore there are no absolutes of right or wrong; no morality other than "point" morality needed to ensure survival and advancement. There are no win-win situations and good forces seldom triumph over evil forces.

: That is a lie. The alignment system of D&D is absolute, very much so in fact.

Players align themselves with specific deities they select; patron deities are strongly urged. These are not fantasy deities, but are drawn from genuine ancient religions and beliefs! Only occult gods are included. In addition, defilement is urged in many ways, such as excrement or urinating to "defile a font."

Really? I don't remember this anywhere in the game.

Loss of Self-control-authority over self is surrendered to the DM. Depending on the personality and ego-strength of the player, this loss can be near absolute.

No, the DM does not control the players in any way. Where are you pulling this from?

Degradation-pain and torture are heavily involved in sadistic, sexual situations that graphically appeal to visceral impulses. Much of the material (as mentioned above) is well into pornographic areas and stresses the defilement of innocence.3

I have never tortured my players, nor was I tortured when I was a player. Nor have I raped my players, as this quote seems to suggest, and there is no pornography involved anywhere.

Isolation-psychological removal from traditional support structures (family, church, etc.) into an imaginary world. Physical isolation due to extremely time-consuming play activities outside the family atmosphere.

After the game is over, we all go home to our families. There is no isolation.

Physical torture and killings-images in the mind can be almost as real as the actual experiences. Focus of the games is upon killings and torture for power, acquisition of wealth, and survival of characters.

You're lying again. What torture? I have never tortured anyone.

I maintain that D&D is not an occult activity and that you are merely respouting the inane babblings of a paranoid conspiracy theorist. Let me know when you have real evidence.[/quote:eb9f4]
Now, the quoted post was actually in response to Willow the Wip, who referenced the same article. I used that instead of my first response to you because he provided more of the text to work with and therefore got a more detailed response than you did, but the point still stands. Note that I was annoyed with him for using the exact same article that I had just spent the post immediately before his disproving, thus my tone in some of the responses. No offense intended to you.

 

[JakTak]

In my own defense, I didn't read everything from those sites. They were the product of a google search. Perhaps the points that I quoted are the points that I was attempting to make.

Anyway. That was months ago, and thus, so far in the past that I forgot I had even posted in this thread before. Eh.... I have a bad memory.

 

[Brimshack]

Look, it's very simple, if you play D&D, there is a 1 in 10 chance that you will lose your immortal soul. If this happens, a Will save, DC 20 negates.

Got it?

 

[Fish-Cross]

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