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I have had a great experience recently where my hopelessness has been turned into hope. I have spent many years in spiritual despair and hopelessness, causing mental torment and a troubled spirit and mind through it all. And my problem was that I was troubled by the thought or idea that God could be a trickster, and I would never be able to prove He wasn't - that when you finally believe and have faith, He would crush you with the devil's laughing blow. I never came to the conclusion this is how I wanted to believe God was, or spoke against him to leave me alone....... if I had, all of this would have been grounds to having been guilty of blasphemy of his Holy Spirit, because I would have concluded God's Spirit is unclean. But I never concluded this, rather I suffered through the troubling feelings and torment of not knowing how to find innocence and true belief in God's goodness.

It's taken years to identify the source of my troubled mind. I finally confessed to Jesus that yes, those ideas and thoughts are beyond me and they trouble me, and I am unable to know any different, except that I do trust Jesus. And Jesus must have suffered in much the same way when God forsook Him on the cross and Jesus cried, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" But an interesting set of verses in Psalm 22:1-3 says that Christ recognized, even in the mental torment of God's wrath, that God was holy:

verse 1: My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? Why are You so far from helping me? And from the words of my groaning?
verse 2: O my God, I cry in the daytime, but you do not hear. And in the night season, and am not silent.
verse 3: But You are holy, enthroned in the praises of Israel.

Christ lived the perfect life and died as the perfect sacrifice, having declared God's holiness during God's wrath, and then committing His spirit to the Father as He breathed His last.
 
So you can move from the external temporal to the internal eternal reality.

Welcome to metaphysics 101. Nothing but death for self.

We are listening.

Mississippi redneck
eddif
 
Christ lived the perfect life and died as the perfect sacrifice, having declared God's holiness during God's wrath, and then committing His spirit to the Father as He breathed His last.
So he became a quickening spirit. What does that now do?

eddif
 
In both Psalms 22&31 a Hebrew literary device is used that was well known.
Both Psalms discuss how horrible things are in exquisite details of emotional responses.

But in the last lines of these songs there is a reversal of Fortune because God has acted. And the tormented/humble servant of God is exalted because of righteousness and their enemies have been destroyed.

Maybe Jesus was pointing to the resurrection while dying.
 
In both Psalms 22&31 a Hebrew literary device is used that was well known.
Both Psalms discuss how horrible things are in exquisite details of emotional responses.

But in the last lines of these songs there is a reversal of Fortune because God has acted. And the tormented/humble servant of God is exalted because of righteousness and their enemies have been destroyed.

Maybe Jesus was pointing to the resurrection while dying.
Ok
Which part dies now and which part / parts live and how.

DougK has brought up day and night. That is a fact that screams for metaphysical hidden revelation.

Redneck
eddif
 
during God's wrath

What do you mean by God's wrath? There was no wrath in the crucifixion, but only an act of a greater love that man could not understand, John 15:13. The reason God turned away from Jesus as He hung on the cross was that God can not look upon the sin His Son was taking upon himself on our behalf.
 
Our emotions can be deceiving at times when we are not in the right mind set trusting in Christ even though we might have little understanding at first, but the more we press into Him the more things will be revealed to us. Satan loves to play mind games with us, but scripture teaches us if ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory, Colossians 3:1-4.
 
What do you mean by God's wrath? There was no wrath in the crucifixion, but only an act of a greater love that man could not understand, John 15:13. The reason God turned away from Jesus as He hung on the cross was that God can not look upon the sin His Son was taking upon himself on our behalf.





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What do you mean by God's wrath? There was no wrath in the crucifixion, but only an act of a greater love that man could not understand, John 15:13. The reason God turned away from Jesus as He hung on the cross was that God can not look upon the sin His Son was taking upon himself on our behalf.
This makes sense but could you provide the Scripture reference for this understanding?
 
This makes sense but could you provide the Scripture reference for this understanding?





Well, I could be wrong since I admit that I don't know too much scripture yet, but I think she just read between the lines. However, I just realized that this topic is posted in theology and I don't really want to start having a whole discussion about it so I think that is enough input that I'm going to leave.
 
This makes sense but could you provide the Scripture reference for this understanding?

Habakkuk 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

I believe this is what God was doing while Jesus was taking all our sin upon himself.
 
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