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what would you say easy believism ? i keep reading about this so this being a theology section post what you think it is... to be honest getting saved is easy as ABC acknowledge your lost believe on the Lord Jesus Christ death burial Resurrection .C confess your sins.... so keep it respectable . i had a apostolic the other Day tell me how wrong i was for baptizing in the name of the father n don and the holy ghost
 
If belief is the only requirement Satan would be saved.
I believe love is at the centre of salvation. When we realise the depth of love God has for us, when you meditate on the suffering of Christ, the more you get to know Him and the more you want to obey Him.
"If you love Me keep My commandments."
 
There are two extreems.
1. Believe in your heart that you are saved and you are saved regardless of what you do. This line of thought can distort itself to the extreme that since Jesus paid the price on the cross, that grace abounds and covers all sin to the degree that some say you dont have to change your lifestyle and repentance becomes a foreign word.

2. To be acceptable in Gods site you have to do the right things, act a certain way, be a particular person. God is usually viewed as a wrathful God waiting to punish you for every mistake. If you dont fo the right things. Your out.

Both of the extreems miss the mark on who God is, and how he operates in our life.

God is a loving, , merciful Father who wants to pour out his mercy and grace upon us and at the same time, he wants the best for us and will discipline us when we cross the line. He does not discipline us out of wrath, but rather out of His love for us.

God is relational. He desires a relationship with us. He is more than simply believing he exists. Simply acknowledging he exists is not what He wants.
 
If belief is the only requirement Satan would be saved.
I believe love is at the centre of salvation. When we realise the depth of love God has for us, when you meditate on the suffering of Christ, the more you get to know Him and the more you want to obey Him.
"If you love Me keep My commandments."
Satan only “believes” in God’s existence. We believe in the claims and works of Christ. Satan’s belief is knowledge. Our belief is of faith.
 
hmmm....this is a good question. I think any time you overlook or straight up ignore Scripture in favor of man made doctrine, you've fallen into serious error. Its like...if I get so taken with RC Sproul and his Calvinism that I lose sight of Christ, and Him Crucified, that...to me...is sort of "easy believism," because I'm so taken with man made doctrine to save me that I lose sight of The Savior.

I kind of suspect some parts of the Southern Baptsists, especially the bigger churches, lend themselves well to what most people are thinking of when they speak of "Easy believeism," because of their traditional emphasis on OSAS. I'm -not- trying to bring up another OSAS debate, but I do think that in the 21st century, OSAS can slip into hyper-grace more easily than in years past. I'm not trying to knock OSAS or the SBC, its just...21st century American culture+OSAS=problems, especially (it seems...) at megachurches. Just an observation.

The Pentecostals are awesome because of their emphasis on Holiness, etc., but 21st century Pentecostals also emphasize the emotional aspects of belief and conversion so much that....I find it a bit disconcerting, to be honest. I -love- the Pentecostals because of their fervor and the work they do in the world, but...sometimes, being in a Pentecostal church...I feel as if its more about psychological manipulation (soft lighting, carefully selected music, etc.) to "bring people to Christ" than it is about truly facilitating The Lord's work in peoples' lives. But, then again....what's the alternative?
 
Satan only “believes” in God’s existence. We believe in the claims and works of Christ. Satan’s belief is knowledge. Our belief is of faith.

Faith is a noun, it’s something we receive from God when He speaks to us.

Believe is a verb, it’s what we do, in response to what God says.


The doing of what God says, (obedience) is what activates our faith so that it produces the divine result that God intends, whether healing or salvation or divine intervention.



JLB
 
If belief is the only requirement Satan would be saved.
I believe love is at the centre of salvation. When we realise the depth of love God has for us, when you meditate on the suffering of Christ, the more you get to know Him and the more you want to obey Him.
"If you love Me keep My commandments."
i agree but the jailer said Acts 16: 29 Calling for lights, the jailer rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.”… i am not one these that believes like marriage vows i pronounce you to be saved but belief/faith is a part of it. i am seeing some good post and i will try to digest them one by one... i am by far liberal nor am i hard core .simply trying to gather the facts of what easy easy believism is ..i do believe in the who so ever romans 10:10 from the heart . we make the plan of salvation hard .. we like to add stipulations .here is a point no two people can agree what born again is . ask the apostolic you get baptism thrown in some will even say speak in tongues .
 
Faith is a noun, it’s something we receive from God when He speaks to us.

Believe is a verb, it’s what we do, in response to what God says.


The doing of what God says, (obedience) is what activates our faith so that it produces the divine result that God intends, whether healing or salvation or divine intervention.



JLB
ok that is a good point you like to place emphasis on obedience Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. .not real strong in knowing calvinism doctrine but what i do know... being saved is a 2 or 3 step its been a while since i posted in a calvinism forum .it soon turns out a my religion can kick your religion rear end . they feel you have to be chosen..--Bible ..but not just anyone can be chosen saved chosen ..honestly i can,t remember been to long.. where peter wrote but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. to us is only the elect as they see it and all is not everyone.. the night i got saved i went the altar scared dumber than a box of rocks .the preacher prayed. i didnt know what to do. so we did it again this time i said God save me.. HE DID AND I AM ..it was easy .but i made it hard
 
hmmm....this is a good question. I think any time you overlook or straight up ignore Scripture in favor of man made doctrine, you've fallen into serious error. Its like...if I get so taken with RC Sproul and his Calvinism that I lose sight of Christ, and Him Crucified, that...to me...is sort of "easy believism," because I'm so taken with man made doctrine to save me that I lose sight of The Savior.

I kind of suspect some parts of the Southern Baptsists, especially the bigger churches, lend themselves well to what most people are thinking of when they speak of "Easy believeism," because of their traditional emphasis on OSAS. I'm -not- trying to bring up another OSAS debate, but I do think that in the 21st century, OSAS can slip into hyper-grace more easily than in years past. I'm not trying to knock OSAS or the SBC, its just...21st century American culture+OSAS=problems, especially (it seems...) at megachurches. Just an observation.

The Pentecostals are awesome because of their emphasis on Holiness, etc., but 21st century Pentecostals also emphasize the emotional aspects of belief and conversion so much that....I find it a bit disconcerting, to be honest. I -love- the Pentecostals because of their fervor and the work they do in the world, but...sometimes, being in a Pentecostal church...I feel as if its more about psychological manipulation (soft lighting, carefully selected music, etc.) to "bring people to Christ" than it is about truly facilitating The Lord's work in peoples' lives. But, then again....what's the alternative?
you made some very good points i do agree with parts of calvinism / i also agree with parts of southern Baptist..what i have read and been told the original osas doctrine was if one walks away never returns they was never saved to start with.. i question many things..but i do not see them as easy believeism.. i have listened to several southern baptist ministers they preach it straight up..i appreciate your input
The Pentecostals are awesome because of their emphasis on Holiness, etc., but 21st century Pentecostals also emphasize the emotional aspects of belief and conversion so much that..
in agreement with you i think every Church doctrine for the most starts out good..but as my wife said in s.s class man thinks they have to improve it ..
 
There are two extreems.
1. Believe in your heart that you are saved and you are saved regardless of what you do. This line of thought can distort itself to the extreme that since Jesus paid the price on the cross, that grace abounds and covers all sin to the degree that some say you dont have to change your lifestyle and repentance becomes a foreign word.

2. To be acceptable in Gods site you have to do the right things, act a certain way, be a particular person. God is usually viewed as a wrathful God waiting to punish you for every mistake. If you dont fo the right things. Your out.

Both of the extreems miss the mark on who God is, and how he operates in our life.

God is a loving, , merciful Father who wants to pour out his mercy and grace upon us and at the same time, he wants the best for us and will discipline us when we cross the line. He does not discipline us out of wrath, but rather out of His love for us.

God is relational. He desires a relationship with us. He is more than simply believing he exists. Simply acknowledging he exists is not what He wants.
Amen. A judicious blend of both was COMMANDED. either extreme is fraught with danger
 
Satan only “believes” in God’s existence. We believe in the claims and works of Christ. Satan’s belief is knowledge. Our belief is of faith.
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: romans 3:24/ 3;28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. romans 5:9
Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
 
very good post agreed with stove bolts...dear God i agreed with a Church of Christ :) the Baptist will excommunicate me lol how would you any one define
easy believism this is not a denominational thing .but a man thing
 
My thoughts are that easy believism is believing in God and that Jesus is the Son of God, and that The third member is The Holy Spirit - hey presto I'm saved! Now I can carry on as normal. I don't need to work on my sins now because I have confessed them and said I'm sorry. As long as I say I'm sorry when I sin I don't have to try not to sin . I don't need to get to know Jesus, I don't need to read the bible, because I have done everything He asked me to. God loves me I accepted Jesus as my saviour and that's all that's needed. I can get on with my life as usual now. That's what I am thinking easy believism is. But I don't really know what it is - who am I to say.
 
good points, Tessa. I see a lot of that where I live (southeastern US). I didn't know it was also happening in other countries. Maybe its just 21st century culture+human nature+questionable doctrine? I don't know, honestly.
 
dirtfarmer here

The thing that I see missing in this thread is "born again, dying to self, created in Christ Jesus a new creation." To be born from above, born again, there is a death of the old man and a new creature. The "old man", our (s)pirit is subject to soul, dead to God. In new birth our spirit is separated from the control of our soul and becomes subject to the (S)pirit and no longer subject to our spirit- Romans 8:16
This is new birth and not a change to the old man.
 
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