easy believism

[Rajesh Sahu]

For one, they were still under the OT law. There was no final sacrifice for sins as in the Cross of Christ.

If that's the reason why Christ did not share with the two Jewish gentlemen, I wonder why did He say to other Jews like Nicodemus a Pharisee, who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. Jesus could have said the same thing He said to Nicodemus to the rich man and the teacher of the Law.
John 3: 16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever John believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
I strongly believe Jesus wanted/required all three --- belief, baptism, and obedience --- for a person to be saved. And he summarizes this (post-resurrection) in Matthew 28: 18-20
I also firmly believe that Jesus wanted us to be like the Good Samaritan rather than a hollow believer, who is not a doer of the Word. Hence he narrated that parable. If you're thinking I am placing obedience above faith than that's not the case. You can scan every post of mine. I am very consistent that both Faith and Obedience are needed. It's like two sides of the same coin without which( either of them) the coin becomes a FAKE currency. I have posted hundreds of posts here. In WHICH post have I ever said ONLY obedience is needed. I didn't. Because if faith alone does not save, neither does obedience alone. this is my take of the Gospel.
It made good sense what JLB and Chessman explained that in Greek language faith and belief were used interchangeably and that is why there could be misunderstanding which led easy believers to think they didn't have to do anything beyond believing to get saved. But that's not the case at all. And that is why I cited the rich man and the Good Samaritan story.

 

[brujaq]

Brujaq i wish not to be drawn into a discussion about Osteen or Hinn. The reason I referenced them was that there are churches who claim to be Christ's churches but do not teach the right doctrine, Well here is what gotquestions.org an established Christian website wishes to say about Osteen. I am Rajesh GOOGLE Sahu for ya
https://www.gotquestions.org/Joel-Osteen.html

Me either, I've watched them a couple times and found no offence ..

 

[brujaq]

If that's the reason why Christ did not share with the two Jewish gentlemen, I wonder why did He say to other Jews like Nicodemus a Pharisee, who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. Jesus could have said the same thing He said to Nicodemus to the rich man and the teacher of the Law.
John 3: 16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever John believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
I strongly believe Jesus wanted/required all three --- belief, baptism, and obedience --- for a person to be saved. And he summarizes this (post-resurrection) in Matthew 28: 18-20
I also firmly believe that Jesus wanted us to be like the Good Samaritan rather than a hollow believer, who is not a doer of the Word. Hence he narrated that parable. If you're thinking I am placing obedience above faith than that's not the case. You can scan every post of mine. I am very consistent that both Faith and Obedience are needed. It's like two sides of the same coin without which( either of them) the coin becomes a FAKE currency. I have posted hundreds of posts here. In WHICH post have I ever said ONLY obedience is needed. I didn't. Because if faith alone does not save, neither does obedience alone. this is my take of the Gospel.
It made good sense what JLB and Chessman explained that in Greek language faith and belief were used interchangeably and that is why there could be misunderstanding which led easy believers to think they didn't have to do anything beyond believing to get saved. But that's not the case at all. And that is why I cited the rich man and the Good Samaritan story.

We may be saying the same thing but my approach is more attitude, such as we all do activities, eating , sleeping , playing, working, even fighting.. I teach all the sports youth teams I've coached, the scouts I've led, all others, that Jesus is first and his way is best.. If you're going to do these things anyway then do them with regard to God and others .. Wake up cheer full, say good morning and try to mean it to all, learn to love what's right, stand up for what's right and don't complain, make it a new way of life with Jesus attitude .. Learn to love the Word of God and fill yourself with it, it is good .. The big deal in my life now is to do what I want to do and if you do these things it is not work but learning to win with Jesus, the way, and that without seeking approval from men .. It is not work but life abundant and who we become and how we react to life situations and on top of that we have Jesus to lean on to whatever degree we need .. What many call work I call life and living , our food is to do the will of the father and not keep a score .. There was a time when I thought I had to do everything and save everybody and I got burned out and things became more of a chore . When I finally learned to ''let go and let God'' is when I began to live in true peace everyday all day .. I'm still a passionate man as ever and love Jesus more than ever like we all do ..

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

For one, they were still under the OT law. There was no final sacrifice for sins as in the Cross of Christ.
For another, the man had a problem. He loved his money. Jesus was pointing this out to him. He was placing his love of money over his love of God. His faith therefore was not in God, but in money. The system that Jesus lived under and obeyed (perfectly) was the Law. The man was under the law. After the resurrection, under grace.



Because it wasn't the point of the story. The point in the second story is to show that all of mankind, by virtue of being image bearers of God, are our neighbors. And love, is the key.

I'm just guessing but I'll bet you haven't sold all your worldly goods and given every last penny to the poor.

Another thing, your promotion against Paul's apostleship is problematic. For one, IF Paul was of Satan as you claim, then God failed in preserving His Word.

If Paul was indeed an Apostle of Christ and Paul's words are given to us under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, And YOU are attributing his words to the works of Satan, then you are committing the textbook definition of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. IOW, you are in serious error.

Either way you slice it, you are in error, with one being worse than the other.

Im disappointed you brought up the Paul topic because that thread was locked and it would be unfair to discuss in this thread why I said, what i said about Paul. I draw your attention to Galatians 2 .It speaks volumes. Also some apostles also had issues with Paul's teachings . I can write much more. But it would be prudent to do otherwise. All I say is this : I do not agree at all with what you wrote in this post in question. I wish not to discuss this any further. Because if I do, I fear I might get suspended. I enjoy this website. it's like a church for me.

 

[chessman]

The one believing in the Son has eternal life. But the one disobeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him”.​

John 3:36 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 3:36&version=DLNT


essentially says the same thing as

Who will render to each one according to his works— to the ones seeking glory and honor and immortality in accordance with endurance in good work, He will render eternal life; but to the ones indeed disobeying the truth and obeying unrighteousness out of selfish-interest, there will be wrath and fury.​

Romans 2:6-8 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Romans 2:6-8&version=DLNT

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

The one believing in the Son has eternal life. But the one disobeying the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him”.​

John 3:36 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 3:36&version=DLNT


essentially says the same thing as

Who will render to each one according to his works— to the ones seeking glory and honor and immortality in accordance with endurance in good work, He will render eternal life; but to the ones indeed disobeying the truth and obeying unrighteousness out of selfish-interest, there will be wrath and fury.​

Romans 2:6-8 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Romans 2:6-8&version=DLNT

Amen. Hallelujah