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Economy Dying?



What's Dead? (Short Answer: All of It)
Posted by Karl Denninger in Editorial at 10:57
Thursday, March 5. 2009

Just so you have a short list of what's at stake if Washington DC doesn't change policy here and now (which means before the collapse in equities comes, which could start as soon as today, if the indicators I watch have any validity at all. For what its worth, those indicators are painting a picture of the Apocalypse that I simply can't believe, and they're showing it as an imminent event - like perhaps today imminent.)

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All pension funds, private and public, are done. If you are receiving one, you won't be. If you think you will in the future, you won't be. PBGC will fail as well. Pension funds will be forced to start eating their "seed corn" within the next 12 months and once that begins there is no way to recover.
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All annuities will be defaulted to the state insurance protection (if any) on them. The state insurance funds will be bankrupted and unable to be replenished. Essentially, all annuities are toast. Expect zero, be ecstatic if you do better. All insurance companies with material exposure to these obligations will go bankrupt, without exception. Some of these firms are dangerously close to this happening right here and now; the rest will die within the next 6-12 months. If you have other insured interests with these firms, be prepared to pay a LOT more with a new company that can't earn anything off investments, and if you have a claim in process at the time it happens, it won't get paid. The probability of you getting "boned" on any transaction with an insurance company is extremely high - I rate this risk in excess of 90%.
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The FDIC will be unable to cover bank failure obligations. They will attempt to do more of what they're doing now (raising insurance rates and doing special assessments) but will fail; the current path has no chance of success. Congress will backstop them (because they must lest shotguns come out) with disastrous results. In short, FDIC backstops will take precedence even over Social Security and Medicare.
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Government debt costs will ramp. This warning has already been issued and is being ignored by President Obama. When (not if) it happens debt-based Federal Funding will disappear. This leads to....
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Tax receipts are cratering and will continue to. I expect total tax receipts to fall to under $1 trillion within the next 12 months. Combined with the impossibility of continued debt issue (rollover will only remain possible at the short duration Treasury has committed to over the last ten years if they cease new issue) a 66% cut in the Federal Budget will become necessary. This will require a complete repudiation of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, a 50% cut in the military budget and a 50% across-the-board cut in all other federal programs. That will likely get close.
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Tax-deferred accounts will be seized to fund rollovers of Treasury debt at essentially zero coupon (interest). If you have a 401k, or what's left of it, or an IRA, consider it locked up in Treasuries; it's not yours any more. Count on this happening - it is essentially a certainty.
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Any firm with debt outstanding is currently presumed dead as the street presumption is that they have lied in some way. Expect at least 20% of the S&P 500 to fail within 12 months as a consequence of the complete and total lockup of all credit markets which The Fed will be unable to unlock or backstop. This will in turn lead to....
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The unemployed will have 5-10 million in direct layoffs added within the next 12 months. Collateral damage (suppliers, customers, etc) will add at least another 5-10 million workers to that, perhaps double that many. U-3 (official unemployment rate) will go beyond 15%, U-6 (broad form) will reach 30%.
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Civil unrest will break out before the end of the year. The Military and Guard will be called up to try to stop it. They won't be able to. Big cities are at risk of becoming a free-fire death zone. If you live in one, figure out how you can get out and live somewhere else if you detect signs that yours is starting to go "feral"; witness New Orleans after Katrina for how fast, and how bad, it can get.

The good news is that this process will clear The Bezzle out of the system.

The bad news is that you won't have a job, pension, annuity, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and, quite possibly, your life.

It really is that bleak folks, and it all goes back to Washington DC being unwilling to lock up the crooks, putting the market in the role it has always played - that of truth-finder, no matter how destructive that process is.

Only immediate action from Washington DC, taking the market's place, can stop this, and as I get ready to hit "send" I see the market rolling over again, now down more than 3% and flashing "crash imminent" warnings. You may be reading this too late for it to matter.


http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.or ... onomydying
 
The outlook is pretty grim. The unemployment rate here is climbing and even for those who dilligently seek employment, it seems near impossible. Unless you are perfect. Cannot tell you how many places are not hiring unless you have a perfect, clean, record. Misdemeanors are usually bound to keep anyone from a job in retail...but a job in general.... this world full of sin is now not only looking for perfection, but also somehow supporting the worst form of law breakers. That is what is beyond me. Then...I am young. I cannot see how laying off people in energy jobs is going to provide more. Anymore than I can understand how cutting people's social security or any form of SSI benefits will help this nation when it is those who need the money that are being taxed. As I said though, I am young. There is a lot I do not understand, not to mention, do not agree with.

This country, along with the rest of the nations and world goverments out there....really NEED God.

May God Bless You

Danielle
 
The world economy is failing, there is a world famine on the way, drought everywhere, New World Order government being formed in the UN , earthquakes and war . Can anybody say "Tribulation" ?

We have just finished seven fat years all over the world, now we have entered the seven lean years. (Dreams of Joseph)

C
 
Hey C,
Nothing like that positive news to pick one up :lol

Seriously though, I hold a different view on End Times than many, so I don't talk much about it, but if History repeats itself, and it does... this is another cycle in Biblical history.

And here's the fun part..
The Tower of Bable = Anti Kingdom
Egypt = Anti Kingdom
Jerusalem becomes Anti Kingdom
Rome = Anti Kingdom
United States....

Why are these called Anti Kingdom? Simple, because they both exploit technology to oppress people while ignoring the needs of others, such as the hungry, the sick, the widow etc.

Read the OT with a view of an oppressed people under rule of an Empire, and you'll start to see where Solomon actually turns Israel, which is the Empire, into Anti - Kingdom as he builds the Lord's temple with slave labor, goes into arms dealing, creates military bases (so secure Jerusalem) and is led astray to worship other Gods including Molech, the fire god who demanded an offering of the first born into his fiery arms to feed his belly. Yes, Jerusalem, the mighty Empire, becomes Anti-Kingdom... and he's paid 666 talents of Gold (That's about 25,000 pounds of silver) as a tribute from the other countries.

Moving forward, the Roman Empire becomes the "Empire"
During the Time of Jesus, Rome conquered much of the land, and extorted the people under the guise of "Peace through Victory".

Today, the USA is the strongest country in the world. We are the Empire...

What are we doing with our Empire? Are we building our country off slave labor (china, or 3rd world countries that we import from for financial gain?).
Do we deal in arms trading for profit?
Do we build military strong holds to protect our livelyhood? (oil)
Are we being led astray to worship other 'modern day' gods?

and now were being told that only "Uncle Sam" can fix it..

You know, what the USA spends each year on garbage bags could solve world hunger for a year... Something to think about...
 
Hey C,
Nothing like that positive news to pick one up :lol

:tongue Sorry about that.

I have been following the world economy closely (as I am sure many others are doing now too) and this thing is not going to correct itself. Its going to implode. Coupled with the absolutely supernatural drought (look at the map in the thread about it under General talk, and see how God is selectively hitting the wheat producing areas with drought right now.

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=35714

So food production IS down this year because of drought. Now combine it with no money , because you cannot get a loan for seed and fertilizer..........................plus people planted LESS , because of bad food prices last year. THREE factors that is going to cause..............famine..........worldwide.
 
The credit glut is over.
Homes and cars were being financed with no money down, no collateral and little time on the job. How? High finance rates to cover those that would default. In some cases people could buy cars and such without so much as a credit check. How many credit cards did one get in the mail that could be activated with a simple phone call? High interest rates were very tempting to the lenders. Thing is it got to the point where there were too many high risk loans to be supported by actual funds/assets.

We'll get through this as soon as all the losses are dealt with.
 
That all makes since Rick until you start looking at the numbers.

For example. The Population of the USA is estimated around 305,980,300.

Lets say that each person, including children were in debt 1,000,000 (A million bucks). that's only around 306 Million dollars, which is nowhere close to a Billion Dollars, let alone almost a Trillion and growing.

If a million dollars is 10 to the 6th power
and a Billion is 10 to the power of 9... that's a ton of debt... now lets talk Trillions...

I'm having a very, very hard time believing that this is because people bought cars and houses they couldn't afford. I'm sure it contributed, but I'm just not connecting the dots as cleanly as some.
 
Not just houses and cars but everything under the sun. Everything, you name it.
the credit market collapsed.
 
C,

I looked at the link you provided about the food shortage, but that being said, Washington State is some of the riches wheat, pea and lentil crops to be produced, not to mention some of the best Apples around ;)

As far as California, they mostly grow citrus and other green plants like Califlower, beans, etc.

My cousin used to own a wheat ranch in Waitsburg Wa and still follows the market closely. Back in the 90's, if that area got 60 bushels an acre, it was a great crop. Now they are getting over 100 bushels and it's considered normal. It's all about genetic hybreds, which may be one of the reasons were seeing health issues connected with glucose.

On the south eastern side of Washington is some of the riches wheat, pea and lentil land world wide. It's a small strip of land called the Palouse and they grow more peas (hard peas for pea soup) than the rest of the world combined. With all the snow and water they've had this year, I'm sure that they are going to have an excellent crop this year both wit their wheat crop and their pea crop. I'll check with my cousin tonight and find out what his thoughts are. he's reliable.

California does export more rice to China, than China produces, but most of the Rice is grown around the Sacramento area, so I'd like to see how they are getting hit.
 
Its because , when you went off the gold standard , you lost the true value of your $. Its only paper and they tell you its worth something. (Its not, its just printed paper) The US government could not honor all the dept that they backed by gold and when England came knocking in the seventies, they got scared that more countries would actually "come for their gold" and they went off gold and went back on their word.

I know its more complicated than this, but this is the simple version, that I can understand LOL

Now , all you have backing your money is a printing press and so to is most of the money in the First Word. Its countries like mine in South Africa, that are still linked to gold, that is slightly better off. Slightly, because in reality we are already in a world economy, so if the US cannot buy and other countries cannot import our goods, then we suffer too. Gold or no gold.

We too have had low interest rates. Well here 8.9% was looked upon as low.But then now its up high and many cannot afford this.People are loosing their homes, and cars and jobs.

The whole world is going into a depression at this moment and we are not coming out of it. The Bible is telling us, that this is IT. This is the final round.

We have not seen the worst of it. Its coming big time ..................
 
StoveBolts said:
C,

I looked at the link you provided about the food shortage, but that being said, Washington State is some of the riches wheat, pea and lentil crops to be produced, not to mention some of the best Apples around ;)

As far as California, they mostly grow citrus and other green plants like Califlower, beans, etc.

My cousin used to own a wheat ranch in Waitsburg Wa and still follows the market closely. Back in the 90's, if that area got 60 bushels an acre, it was a great crop. Now they are getting over 100 bushels and it's considered normal. It's all about genetic hybreds, which may be one of the reasons were seeing health issues connected with glucose.

On the south eastern side of Washington is some of the riches wheat, pea and lentil land world wide. It's a small strip of land called the Palouse and they grow more peas (hard peas for pea soup) than the rest of the world combined. With all the snow and water they've had this year, I'm sure that they are going to have an excellent crop this year both wit their wheat crop and their pea crop. I'll check with my cousin tonight and find out what his thoughts are. he's reliable.

California does export more rice to China, than China produces, but most of the Rice is grown around the Sacramento area, so I'd like to see how they are getting hit.

God is merciful and will give His children time to get to the right place with Him. IF we listen.

He is not going to take it all away in one day.You must follow world reports closely and you will see a pattern. Many are sticking their heads in the sand. In our fellowship we have a man that does not want to talk about the end times, because he fears it so much. He puts his head in the sand too. But its going to hit him too, while his head is in the sand :yes
 
Cornelius said:
He puts his head in the sand too. But its going to hit him too, while his head is in the sand :yes

:lol Sometimes I have to laugh, when the Lord confirms certain things. While I was writing this quoted above, I received the following email where a pastor had a vision and in this vision, people were burying their heads........in the sand ! LOL


While praying this morning, God gave me a vision. He showed me a great,
world-wide "mobilization"

I saw myself strolling along a beach. Suddenly, there sounded a loud boom,
which became stronger and more massive. It was not the noise of the sea or
of the wind. It was completely still outside. The sea water was as smooth as
glass. The deep booming sound which was like the sound of the mountains
about to cave in, a banging sound which I had up till now never heard in my
whole life, came from the other side of the ocean, from far away. It became
so strong and mighty, that the earth began to quake and shake. It sounded
like the blasting of a deep bass trumpet. I had never heard this sort and
depth of bass sound before now. The whole air vibrated.I holed myself up in
the dunes of the embankment, face down, and waited to see what would come
out of this natural spectacle.

When the booming refused to stop, and instead became stronger, I saw myself
begin to pray in the vision, and to speak with my God. Then I heard a voice
saying, "my child, fear not. That is my mobilization call, a signal, from
the other world. I am calling my people out from all peoples. I myself am
shaking the earth and the sea. The sinners and godless will pass away for
fear and the fearful expectation of the things which are to come.Understand,
my child, that all these have been initiated by the financial crises. That
was just the beginning of ruin. The foundation of today's society will be so
shaken that the people will lose all that they have acquired, and saved up
till now.

Every infrastructure and welfare will collapse with time. Life will be very
difficult for very many people. The general security will get out of control
and there will be a proliferation of crime such that life on earth will be
massively threatened. But you, who fear my name will I save from ruin. I am
holding my arm of protection over you.

Although not even a silent wind blew, and not even a small wave was seen on
the sea, the booming was so mighty, that my heart threatened tostop beating.
Then I thought to myself, "I will now also die". And then the Lord said to
me, "my child, do not fear. You are to live and continue to declare my
works. Arise, go home and tell your loved ones. Let them know that the
coming of my son is very close at hand, at the doorstep. I am setting
everything in motion in order to take my people home, and I am now stripping
them of everything that is holding them back, or blocking them.

As I stood up to obey God's voice, starting to make my way homewards, I saw
very many people, lying in the dunes. They had come out from their houses,
racing towards the sea to see and experience this extraordinary natural
spectacle. They lay on their faces as if paralysed, exactly as I had lain a
few minutes before now. As I passed by them on my way home, despite the
continuous distant booming sound, these people called to me saying "you are
crazy; you cannot make it home in this situation. It is too dangerous". They
then buried their heads even further in the dunes, because they feared what
would happen next. They no longer wanted to hear or know of anything.


And then said the Lord to me: "for you, my children, who fear my name, this
is the day of my "mobilization". For you my "sun of salvation" arises, with
which I gather my true children, and bring them together. Go, my son, and
tell this everyone you can reach".

Then I asked the Lord "what shall I tell them?" "Tell my children, He
said", "they are no longer to occupy themselves with perishable things, but
rather, much more with the immortal, the eternal things. They are to seek me
and study my word. They should forgive one another, so long as there is
still time, and make peace with one another.

They should stop being envious of , and pointing fingers at one another.
They should neither accuse nor suspect one another. Everyone should do what
he is supposed to, and can do. Tell them to free themselves of every
unnecessary thing, and to stop fighting spasmodically (intermittently) for
their rights. From now on, I will ensure your rights, and provide for
justice for you. Great changes are about to occur all over the world, in
every area of life. Adjust yourselves therefore and be prepared. Nothing is
going to be as it has been before now..."

The further I moved away from the beach, the less of the booming sound I heard,
even though I was of the opinion that the sound had become stronger and even
more massive. I felt as if I had been secured in a glass case.

Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying "I will bring my children into
safety in my own way. You will see everything I will do in the world, which
will experience all the "plagues of Egypt " before I withdraw my children
unto myself, before Pharaoh releases you forever. My people hold together!
Stay with one another, encourage one another. Soon, you would have made it!"

That was the last thing I took with me from this vision.

As I thought about all that I had seen, and what I should do with it, the
Lord spoke to me saying "spread this revelation I have given you this
morning about my "mobilization" overall further to my children, and
encourage them to do likewise, for I am at the door (I am coming soon). And
tell them, especially my people, that they should be serious about their
relationship with me (God), before it is too late...."
 
I hear ya C, and I'm in agreement because this is also a Biblical pattern.

It goes arm in arm with what Rick is talking about, where the greed of wealth and power through the exploitation of others that has consumed the entire globe (for the most part) while the things important to God go unattended.

The Bible tells us that in King Solomon's day, there was world peace (one world government) and abundance, but it was short lived. One of the military fortress that Solomon's built to protect his kingdom is now called Armageddon. This is a literal place, and it carries with it a very ugly history... again, it's anti kingdom... It goes against God's will. And we see what God did to Jerusalem, which was the Empire back in it's day. But it's not about the Empire, but what the Empire represented that I think is significant.
 
StoveBolts said:
That all makes since Rick until you start looking at the numbers.

For example. The Population of the USA is estimated around 305,980,300.

Lets say that each person, including children were in debt 1,000,000 (A million bucks). that's only around 306 Million dollars, which is nowhere close to a Billion Dollars, let alone almost a Trillion and growing.

If a million dollars is 10 to the 6th power
and a Billion is 10 to the power of 9... that's a ton of debt... now lets talk Trillions...

I'm having a very, very hard time believing that this is because people bought cars and houses they couldn't afford. I'm sure it contributed, but I'm just not connecting the dots as cleanly as some.

If everybody owed 1,000,000 that would be 305 TRILLION, not million.

The national debt stands at 11 trillion.

Every man, woman and child documented by the Census would owe $36,000. a family of 4 would need to pay off $144,000.
 
1 trillion dollars =

If we have a million 1000 piece picture puzzles whose boxes are 10 inches square laid on the ground in a square that's 3,300 boxes on each side or almost a half mile square. Each piece would then be worth $1,000.
 
Rick said:
If everybody owed 1,000,000 that would be 305 TRILLION, not million.

The national debt stands at 11 trillion.

Rick,
Isn't 1,000 million = 1 Billion?

If we have 305 Million people in the USA, and each owed 1 million dollars, the total would be 350 Million dollars. A far cry from 1 Billion dollars.

Moving forward, isn't 1,000 Billion = 1 Trillion?

Current population for the US is estimated at 305,980,611 (306 Million)

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/set ... value.html

1 one (1 in the ones or units place)
10 ten (1 in the tens place)
100 one hundred (1 in the hundreds place)

1,000 one thousand (1 in the thousands place)
10,000 ten thousand
100,000 one hundred thousand

1,000,000 one million
10,000,000 ten million
100,000,000 one hundred million

1,000,000,000 one billion
10,000,000,000 ten billion
100,000,000,000 one hundred billion

1,000,000,000,000 one trillion...
 
StoveBolts said:
I hear ya C, and I'm in agreement because this is also a Biblical pattern.

It goes arm in arm with what Rick is talking about, where the greed of wealth and power through the exploitation of others that has consumed the entire globe (for the most part) while the things important to God go unattended.

The Bible tells us that in King Solomon's day, there was world peace (one world government) and abundance, but it was short lived. One of the military fortress that Solomon's built to protect his kingdom is now called Armageddon. This is a literal place, and it carries with it a very ugly history... again, it's anti kingdom... It goes against God's will. And we see what God did to Jerusalem, which was the Empire back in it's day. But it's not about the Empire, but what the Empire represented that I think is significant.

Yes, and so was the kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar. And Pharaoh. And if you think about it Rome too. Wasn't the world united under Constantine? (My history is bad) or Alexander the Great. (Somebody help me with the details here .... LOL )

But today we see a revived Roman empire again. We see all the "seed" (descendants) of those old empires alive and well today living in the whole world. Rev 17:11 And the beast that was (all the world empires ), and is not,(is not.......was not in the time of Revelation ) is himself also an eighth, and is of the seven;(The eight is of the seven , it is a revived "Roman" empire.......all the world ) and he goeth into perdition.

It simply means that in our time, all the world will form the last beast.

(Rev.17:7) And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou wonder? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and the ten horns. {8} The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, [they] whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come. The fourth beast in Daniel 7 was Rome, which devoured all of the world-ruling beast kingdoms that were before it. It was defeated by Christ but later in that chapter in the end-time it devoured "the whole earth," meaning all lost mankind is within its body. This is a prophecy of its resurrection as the one world order Roman Empire in our day. (Dan.7:23) Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all the kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth...)
 
StoveBolts said:
Rick,
Isn't 1,000 million = 1 Billion?

If we have 350 Million people in the USA, and each owed 1 million dollars, the total would be 350 Million dollars. A far cry from 1 Billion dollars.

I think that would be 350 000 000 x 1000 000 = 350 000 000 000 000 .
I promise you I did the same thing not so long ago. LOL I also left out the 000 000 out of my calculation and went public with it.
 
To be honest C, math isn't my best subject :lol
When it comes to these really big numbers, I get lost really quick. I got lost in the 1 Million times 305 Million. At first glace it looks like 305 million dollars until you put it on paper :biggrin

1 million times 305 million = 305,000,000,000,000 (That's 305 Trillion) :rolling

Wow, glad we got that cleared up :biggrin
 
StoveBolts said:
To be honest C, math isn't my best subject :lol
When it comes to these really big numbers, I get lost really quick. I got lost in the 1 Million times 305 Million. At first glace it looks like 305 million dollars until you put it on paper :biggrin

1 million times 305 million = 305,000,000,000,000 (That's 305 Trillion) :rolling

Wow, glad we got that cleared up :biggrin

LOL I am the LAST person that should say anything about maths, I am hopeless, but its because I did the same thing, that I recognized what you were doing . Believe me, its only because I think like you do, that I saw it, :lol
 
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