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[Elijah674]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Elijah here: These days find most still on 'milk' but not all! We spin our wheel's much for most, yet here comes along one with 'one eye open' at least for now. See if you can learn anything from this post from another site?[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana,arial]sonofHilkiah77 wrote:

The Christian faith is an extension of their Jewish Scriptures

It is the reception of their Savior.

But then there are Gentile believers who have it mixed up and through false doctrine and arrogance, and I mean an inordinate amount of pride in their hearts, they think Jesus was Gentile and the Church replaces Israel.

If the Church replaces Israel, then what do we do with all the Old Testament saints if they've been replaced?

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At least you are thinking spiritually! Most are not! (Rev. 17:1-5 is FACT!)

OK: Think of what it seems that you are asking? Christ came OT and found His Isa. 5 Virgin VINEYARD (in True Doctrine) verse 3 Christ/less. (compare John 12:42-43) Closed DOOR, DESOLATE [HOUSE='s VINEYARD! (Isa. 5:7!)

So as you say rightfully, the N.T. is now an REMNANT EXTENSION! (Matt. 10:5-6)
Here is where all must see again the truth of Eccl. 3:15, as in the twice documentation of Eccl. 1:9-10 + how God establishes this Fact ! (again in Gen. 41:32) Now reapply the past/tense EXTENSION GREAT SHAKING OR FALLING AWAY of 2 Thess. [[AGAIN]] to these EXTENDED ONES just before Christ comes again it documents in verse 9! (this is the same message repeated again to the ones of Rev. 17:1-5 + Laodicea of Rev. 3:16-17, with Laodicea’s ENDING again SEEN IN REV. 3:9!

Now you FIND a verse 10 of Rev. 3 that are ONCE AGAIN the Rev. 12:17 'few' [REMNANT]. !) (again the extension) These are the ones who are in Rev. 3 at the same time. The same as with old Israel. The Remnant left the fallen fold & the Christ/less fold (or church) stayed put. These are the sixth Remnant of Phil. the sixth REPLACING 'SPEWED OUT' Laodicea. Their Candlestick is removed as WARNED in Rev. 2:5 with NO Repentance.

Now comes the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the world only for those who had never had the opportunity to KNOW Matt. 24:14 Truth. These few will be the 144000 who had never been defiled with the other women, (false church’s) because they came from this Virgin Shaking of True Laodicea doctrine, yet totally fallen to Christ/less/ness, as was old Israel. Again verse 3 of Isa. 5 found the FATAL DECISION of church over the Christ and [HIS FLAW/LESS DOCTRINE OF HIS EX/CHURCH]. Matt. 23:1-3

Now we see 666 the prophesied 'educated persecution' by world Satellite in the ‘last day increased wisdom’ court setting! (this wisdom was not ‘allowed’ for watching ball/games!) Laodicea + the huge Rev. 17:1-5 ones all join in hand to again persecute. Thus the Rev. 14:6-10 3 Angels Messages finishes with again the Acts life or death choice of totally 100% belonging to Christ! Are these ones of Phil. organized? What do you think!

And sonofHilkiah77, it is good to find one sincerely looking for truth around here! (+ understanding the Lords WORD, while most others do not even have a faint idea of what has been said!

)

--Elijah

 

[reba]

God has had His followers, group, church, what ever name fits..... from the beginning.

[FONT=Verdana,arial]If the Church replaces Israel, then what do we do with all the Old Testament saints if they've been replaced?[/FONT]

Adam, Enoch, Noah etc were not Israelites. What of them? Did the Israelites replace them? No. Replacement? No Continuation of His followers, believers etc yes.

Some time back a guy came up with a slick sounding way to encourage his believes.. The term replacement theology was coined. The term has zero Biblical support. When did God not have a people?

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy

 

[Elijah674]

God has had His followers, group, church, what ever name fits..... from the beginning.



Adam, Enoch, Noah etc were not Israelites. What of them? Did the Israelites replace them? No. Replacement? No Continuation of His followers, believers etc yes.

Some time back a guy came up with a slick sounding way to encourage his believes.. The term replacement theology was coined. The term has zero Biblical support. When did God not have a people?

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy

agreed

 

[Truth7t7]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Elijah here: These days find most still on 'milk' but not all! We spin our wheel's much for most, yet here comes along one with 'one eye open' at least for now. See if you can learn anything from this post from another site?[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana,arial]sonofHilkiah77 wrote: [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]The Christian faith is an extension of their Jewish Scriptures [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]It is the reception of their Savior. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]But then there are Gentile believers who have it mixed up and through false doctrine and arrogance, and I mean an inordinate amount of pride in their hearts, they think Jesus was Gentile and the Church replaces Israel. [/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,arial]If the Church replaces Israel, then what do we do with all the Old Testament saints if they've been replaced?[/FONT]

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At least you are thinking spiritually! Most are not! (Rev. 17:1-5 is FACT!)

OK: Think of what it seems that you are asking? Christ came OT and found His Isa. 5 Virgin VINEYARD (in True Doctrine) verse 3 Christ/less. (compare John 12:42-43) Closed DOOR, DESOLATE [HOUSE='s VINEYARD! (Isa. 5:7!)

So as you say rightfully, the N.T. is now an REMNANT EXTENSION! (Matt. 10:5-6)
Here is where all must see again the truth of Eccl. 3:15, as in the twice documentation of Eccl. 1:9-10 + how God establishes this Fact ! (again in Gen. 41:32) Now reapply the past/tense EXTENSION GREAT SHAKING OR FALLING AWAY of 2 Thess. [[AGAIN]] to these EXTENDED ONES just before Christ comes again it documents in verse 9! (this is the same message repeated again to the ones of Rev. 17:1-5 + Laodicea of Rev. 3:16-17, with Laodicea’s ENDING again SEEN IN REV. 3:9!

Now you FIND a verse 10 of Rev. 3 that are ONCE AGAIN the Rev. 12:17 'few' [REMNANT]. !) (again the extension) These are the ones who are in Rev. 3 at the same time. The same as with old Israel. The Remnant left the fallen fold & the Christ/less fold (or church) stayed put. These are the sixth Remnant of Phil. the sixth REPLACING 'SPEWED OUT' Laodicea. Their Candlestick is removed as WARNED in Rev. 2:5 with NO Repentance.

Now comes the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the world only for those who had never had the opportunity to KNOW Matt. 24:14 Truth. These few will be the 144000 who had never been defiled with the other women, (false church’s) because they came from this Virgin Shaking of True Laodicea doctrine, yet totally fallen to Christ/less/ness, as was old Israel. Again verse 3 of Isa. 5 found the FATAL DECISION of church over the Christ and [HIS FLAW/LESS DOCTRINE OF HIS EX/CHURCH]. Matt. 23:1-3

Now we see 666 the prophesied 'educated persecution' by world Satellite in the ‘last day increased wisdom’ court setting! (this wisdom was not ‘allowed’ for watching ball/games!) Laodicea + the huge Rev. 17:1-5 ones all join in hand to again persecute. Thus the Rev. 14:6-10 3 Angels Messages finishes with again the Acts life or death choice of totally 100% belonging to Christ! Are these ones of Phil. organized? What do you think!

And sonofHilkiah77, it is good to find one sincerely looking for truth around here! (+ understanding the Lords WORD, while most others do not even have a faint idea of what has been said!

)

--Elijah

The Church has replace the ethnic Jews as the children of promise as see in Romans chapter 9


Romans 9:6-8 KJV
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The Old testaments died in faith, they server the same Lord!

They will be resurrected at the same time will all that have died in faith, God has no respect of person based upon ethnic background, if your are 50% jewish are you 50% entitled to the covenants and primises?

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

Truth7t7

 

[John 8:32]

God has had His followers, group, church, what ever name fits..... from the beginning.



Adam, Enoch, Noah etc were not Israelites. What of them? Did the Israelites replace them? No. Replacement? No Continuation of His followers, believers etc yes.

Some time back a guy came up with a slick sounding way to encourage his believes.. The term replacement theology was coined. The term has zero Biblical support. When did God not have a people?

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you disagreeing with the idea that God is not dealing with Israel nationally, but instead dealing with Israel spiritually since 31AD.

 

[Elijah674]

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you disagreeing with the idea that God is not dealing with Israel nationally, but instead dealing with Israel spiritually since 31AD.

Read Matt. 25's MIDNIGHT CRY, (to awaken) & then find the parables answer for who AWAKENED this [ALL SLEEPING] Israelie fold?? It is recorded in Matt. 10:5-6 [as COMMANDMENT!] Now read verse 15 ibid! (did you get this???)

These are the ones of Acts who made up Christ extended Fold the [REMNANT!].

Most confusion comes from the LAND PROMISE. The land & its location is found given ONLY after the New heaven & the New Earth is Created. After the 1000 years.

--Elijah

 

[reba]

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you disagreeing with the idea that God is not dealing with Israel nationally, but instead dealing with Israel spiritually since 31AD.

Kinda got lost in your question......

I believe God has always had a peoples. Before the nation of Israel, while there was no 'state' of Israel. God having a peoples does not depend on the nation of Israel.

I also believe the Body of Christ (the church) was not an after thought because the Jewish leaders of 2000 yeas ago refused our/their King. The Cross was "from the foundation of the world"

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Elijah674]

Kinda got lost in your question......

I believe God has always had a peoples. Before the nation of Israel, while there was no 'state' of Israel. God having a peoples does not depend on the nation of Israel.

I also believe the Body of Christ (the church) was not an after thought because the Jewish leaders of 2000 yeas ago refused our/their King. The Cross was "from the foundation of the world"

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Hey, good post!

 

[John 8:32]

Kinda got lost in your question......

I believe God has always had a peoples. Before the nation of Israel, while there was no 'state' of Israel. God having a peoples does not depend on the nation of Israel.

I also believe the Body of Christ (the church) was not an after thought because the Jewish leaders of 2000 yeas ago refused our/their King. The Cross was "from the foundation of the world"

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Just out of curiosity, why is this different than replacement theology?

 

[reba]

John it is only fair for you to ask. So i will answer, then not discuss the topic further.
Until this thread , i did not realize that i was supporting a thought the forum does not support. The female side of me didn't/doesn't 'feel' it is to replace any one or group just the grafting in as the scriptures teach....I will not delete my posts in the thread. Deleting post can make things look goofy.

 

[Elijah674]

Just out of curiosity, why is this different than replacement theology?

God HAS A PEOPLE. ISA. 5 finds the outcome. The people of God were the REMNANT of this same Exact Isaiah FOLD. (Vineyard, Virgin House in Teachings) call it what ever? as long as the Doctrines are that of Christ Isa. 5 Virgin Fold.

OK: Now in Isa. 5:3 we find 'PEOPLE' making a choice between the God of His Virgin doctrine 'HOUSE' (ibid 3) & the house itself.

Then the N.T side found Christ being rejected with a new leader taking over. (even compare Rev. 9!)
NOW PAY ATTENTION! The Virgin HOUSE (Fold) was Christless! But did Christ [[REPLACE IT?]] No way, Read Matt. 25's ALL SLEEPING VINEYARD & who it was as seen in Matt. 10:5-6 who KEPT THE SAME VIRGIN ISA. 5 DOCTRINES ALONG WITH THE CHRIST OF HIS DOCTRINES, who were the Remnant who left the DESOLATE HOUSE (Matt. 23:38) but who just extended Israel as always was the case. Acts 2 is the EXTENSION not an replacement! Even note Christ's WORD of...

Matt. 23:1-2 + John 10:16.
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

John 10
[16] And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. (and what fold was He telling this 'extension Remnant' of??)

NO. The problem with all the Rev. 17:1-5 ones, is that of replacement! God does not change His Eternal Doctrine that was indeed built upon Christ the cornerstone & with HIS OT Sanctuary True Virgin Doctrine which is Patterned after Heaven's one & ONLY ONE! (Heb. 9:23)

--Elijah

 

[Sinthesis]

John it is only fair for you to ask. So i will answer, then not discuss the topic further.
Until this thread , i did not realize that i was supporting a thought the forum does not support. The female side of me didn't/doesn't 'feel' it is to replace any one or group just the grafting in as the scriptures teach....I will not delete my posts in the thread. Deleting post can make things look goofy.

What do you mean by "a thought the forum does not support"?

 

[Vic C.]

John it is only fair for you to ask. So i will answer, then not discuss the topic further.
Until this thread , i did not realize that i was supporting a thought the forum does not support. The female side of me didn't/doesn't 'feel' it is to replace any one or group just the grafting in as the scriptures teach....I will not delete my posts in the thread. Deleting post can make things look goofy.

You weren't supporting Replacement Theology with your previous post... and this current post proves that.

A reading of Romans 11 supports your belief and it's the one I hold also. If anyone calls this replacement theology, so be it. Paul says God will cut off branches and add them in again:

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

That doesn't sound like a replacement.

What do you mean by "a thought the forum does not support"?

Sinth,

I deleted a post that claims the "Church" replaced ethnic Jews, a belief in which I cannot support. God doesn't really care if one is Jewish, German, Italian, etc. He is now dealing with us on a personal and individual level regardless of our ethnicity.

 

[reba]

Praise the LORD! This ol gal can smile again!

 

[jasoncran]

are you serious? wow, and so many a jews left the lord or denied him because of that whacky theology.

 

[reba]

are you serious? wow, and so many a jews left the lord or denied him because of that whacky theology.

Which wacky theology we gots lots of'em?

 

[jasoncran]

Which wacky theology we gots lots of'em?

replacement theology.tis the basis of the shoah.

 

[Elijah674]

are you serious? wow, and so many a jews left the lord or denied him because of that whacky theology.

Thanks for the others 'grafted in' Truth! Sure sounds TRUTHFUL also with the repeated Eccl.3:15 Inspiration of the Rev. 12:17 ones being the Remnant extension (grafted in) from fallen 'Spewed Out' Laodicea as found in verse 9. And Rev. 3:10 are kept from...

[10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the [[hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth]]. (which is 666)

Hey, from verse 7-verse 17 there are only two candlesticks seen in the last of the seven. One is kept here in this verse, and the Spewed out seventh one becomes the synagogue of satan.

And Acts 2 has the [extension or the grafted in] of the 'REMNANT' from old Israel as does Rev. 3:10 have the same repeated [extension or grafting in of Philadelphia.]

--Elijah

PS:
And Jas..?? Note 2 Peter (but the highlite are most likely where the biggest problem is with most!)

[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[reba]

replacement theology.tis the basis of the shoah.

Jason a few more words might help? I looked up the word shoah but i am not seeing the connection...

 

[Stormcrow]

Storm,

I deleted a post that claims the "Church" replaced ethnic Jews, a belief in which I cannot support. God doesn't really care if one is Jewish, German, Italian, etc. He is now dealing with us on a personal and individual level regardless of our ethnicity.

Well, since I can't recall what I wrote, I can't really respond to what you claim I wrote. And since the post is gone, I guess I really have no way to defend what I wrote or further explain it apart from your characterization of it.

I don't understand why you would call me out this way without even giving me a chance to defend myself, but OK, whatever.

And for the record, I don't believe in "Replacement Theology." The Old Covenant was replaced with the New. If that's controversial, cancel my account.