End Time Gurus ?

[Jim Parker]

No, lol, you wont catch me in that parade.

I am in no way trying to figure out His return, the question just popped into my head. When I went to look for the answer, I could not see that there should be any 'gap' in Daniel's vision, but at the same time, I could not find where the return of Christ was said to be at the moment(or even that close) the 70th week ended.

In other words, everything I have read says that the 70 weeks were for God to deal with the people of Israel. But it could be 70 more 'weeks'(random number) before He actually returns.

I just always hear, except for the extreme views of Him already coming back and such, that the end of the 70th week is when Christ returns. That's why you see gaps and such in different time line maps. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen one 'denominations' time line map that did not have the 70 weeks of Daniel as the center piece.

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
One thing to keep in mind is that the number 7 (and variations of it) represent completion. (And perfection, etc.)
Also remember that Daniel's vision is apocalyptic. It is the rendering in human language of the prophet's ecstatic vision. It's, as it were, encrypted.
That being said, the 70 weeks could very easily be an unspecified amount of time until the completion of God's purpose.

On the other hand, I heard Chuck Smith explain how the 70 weeks of years (490 years?) came to the exact day of Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem. (Palm Sunday.)


iakov the fool
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[dirtfarmer]

dirtfarmer here

The 69th week of Daniel's prophecy ended when Jesus made his triumphal entry into Jerusalem. The decree to rebuild the temple was given on March 5th, 444 B. C. So, when Jesus made his entry into Jerusalem riding on a colt, the fold of an ass, it was on the 10th of Nisan or March 30, 33 A. D. Remember the Jewish calendar was based on "new moon's", 30 days in the Jewish calendar. The 69th week ended(483 years) and there has been "a gap", the times of the Gentiles, between the 69th and the 70th week, which is still in the future.

The time between the 69th week and the 70th week will be the time of the tribulation

 

[reba]

as if God cant count the weeks He created

 

[Jim Parker]

as if God cant count the weeks He created

sigh

 

[ezrider]

dirtfarmer here

The 69th week of Daniel's prophecy ended when Jesus made his triumphal entry into Jerusalem. The decree to rebuild the temple was given on March 5th, 444 B. C. So, when Jesus made his entry into Jerusalem riding on a colt, the fold of an ass, it was on the 10th of Nisan or March 30, 33 A. D. Remember the Jewish calendar was based on "new moon's", 30 days in the Jewish calendar. The 69th week ended(483 years) and there has been "a gap", the times of the Gentiles, between the 69th and the 70th week, which is still in the future.

The time between the 69th week and the 70th week will be the time of the tribulation

If the 70th week is still future, then when did Jesus confirm the new covenant with many. I which week did that occur?

 

[Jim Parker]

If the 70th week is still future, then when did Jesus confirm the new covenant with many. I which week did that occur?

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
That would be the week He sent the Holy Spirit.
From that point onward, mankind's sins were atoned for and God put His spirit in whoever believed; anyone, anywhere, at any time from that moment until Jesus comes again.

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[ezrider]

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
That would be the week He sent the Holy Spirit.
From that point onward, mankind's sins were atoned for and God put His spirit in whoever believed; anyone, anywhere, at any time from that moment until Jesus comes again.

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I tend to see the first half of the week to be the earthly ministry of Jesus, and the second half of the week to be through the Holy Spirit.

Would you agree that the 70th week had to come to a conclusion before the Holy Spirit could be poured out upon the Gentile believers beginning with Cornelius in Acts 10-11?

 

[Jim Parker]

Would you agree that the 70th week had to come to a conclusion before the Holy Spirit could be poured out upon the Gentile believers beginning with Cornelius in Acts 10-11?

I have no opinion.
I avoid debating about things which God has chosen to make obscure in His word.
If He wanted us to know exactly what the 70 weeks of years are, I think He would have explained it so there would be no questions.


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[reba]

agree

 

[dirtfarmer]

If the 70th week is still future, then when did Jesus confirm the new covenant with many. I which week did that occur?

hello ezrider, dirtfarmer here

Daniel 9:27, " And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week, he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even unto the consummation, and that determined shall be pour upon the desolate. Who is the prince that shall come after the Messiah is cut off in verse 26?

The new covenant that is made in the blood of Jesus Christ is an everlasting covenant, isn't it? not a 7 year covenant. If Christ was "cut off" (crucified) in the middle of the tribulation and his crucifixion was the "confirming" the covenant, then why was it 40 years later that the temple was destroyed?

 

[ezrider]

hello ezrider, dirtfarmer here

Daniel 9:27, " And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week, he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even unto the consummation, and that determined shall be pour upon the desolate. Who is the prince that shall come after the Messiah is cut off in verse 26?

The new covenant that is made in the blood of Jesus Christ is an everlasting covenant, isn't it? not a 7 year covenant. If Christ was "cut off" (crucified) in the middle of the tribulation and his crucifixion was the "confirming" the covenant, then why was it 40 years later that the temple was destroyed?

Yes, the covenant with Christ is an everlasting covenant. There is no mention at all of a seven year covenant in the book of Daniel. Daniel is pretty clear in that he shall CONFIRM the covenant for a week, but in the midst of the week HE shall be cut off. The confirmation of the covenant continued to the house of Israel as the Holy Spirit was poured out after the day of Pentecost.

A 7 year covenant is not in the scriptures; sorry to say, but that is just a doctrine of men.

 

[dirtfarmer]

Yes, the covenant with Christ is an everlasting covenant. There is no mention at all of a seven year covenant in the book of Daniel. Daniel is pretty clear in that he shall CONFIRM the covenant for a week, but in the midst of the week HE shall be cut off. The confirmation of the covenant continued to the house of Israel as the Holy Spirit was poured out after the day of Pentecost.

A 7 year covenant is not in the scriptures; sorry to say, but that is just a doctrine of men.

hello ezrider, dirtfarmer here

You are correct. There is no mention of a 7 year covenant. In Daniel there is a prophecy of 70 weeks which equals 490 years. Each week consist of 7 years. So the covenant that was confirmed for 1 week was a period of 7 years. Next time I will try to be more precise.

 

[reba]

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

This verse often comes into play when speaking of 'end times'

What happens when we do the math?

Maybe some dont what that scripture to fit into their ET theology at this time

 

[ezrider]

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

This verse often comes into play when speaking of 'end times'

What happens when we do the math?

Maybe some dont what that scripture to fit into their ET theology at this time

When I do a little simple math......

I find 1 day plus 1 day equals 2 days, or a 1,000 years plus 1,000 years equals 2,000 years.

Well, that's the simple math anyways.... But what of the resurrection? Destroy this temple and on the third day, he shall raise it up....


Hosea 6:1-3
Come, and let us return unto the Lord:
for he hath torn, and he will heal us;
he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
After two days will he revive us:
in the third day he will raise us up,
and we shall live in his sight.
Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord:
his going forth is prepared as the morning;
and he shall come unto us as the rain,
as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

 

[reba]

if each day is as a 1000 years is it 7000 years per week ?

 

[Willie T]

if each day is as a 1000 years is it 7000 years per week ?

If someone insists on being a literalist, it is hard not to read that.

 

[ezrider]

if each day is as a 1000 years is it 7000 years per week ?

Maybe that's where JLB's gap comes from. Now if that wouldn't confused Daniel. 70 weeks of 7000..... that would be 490,000 years. So much for the theory the earth is only 6,000 years old.


But if 70 weeks equals 490 years, then 1000 years should be 142.82 weeks.

 

[reba]

Seems we all use Scripture when they fit OUR thoughts and disregard them when they dont.. .. Most the gap IMO comes from Scofield