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End Time Vision to come
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turnorburn
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Just this in..
Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Taniesh
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Eugene what you said "At this time I will not reveal the identity of this little horn as I suspect you already believe you have the answer to the question you asked: “Is anybody aware of a vision that is to come at the end?” gave me a humble chuckle
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smaller
Member
In:
Habakkuk 2: it is one of the chapters Paul drew from to present salvation by faith.
4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Habakkuk concludes again in vs. 20, the same conclusion Paul uses:
20 But the Lord is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him.
Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
And, it is the same sight that John had, here:
Revelation 8:1
And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
JohnDB
Member
Yeah.
It's completed prophecy .
This has happened.
The question is will it happen again?
Taniesh
Member
My question refers to what Habakkuk said in Chapter 2
2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
Also we can find a relation to
Daniel 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told [is] true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it [shall be] for many days.
Daniel may be referring to Moses telling the story of creation and we know the only way Moses knew of creation to write about was from God Himself because Moses spent 40 days with God at one time. So going back to the beginning we can see after each time God created something it would say "the evening and the morning"
Genesis 1
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
The only time it doesn't say "the evening and the morning" was on the seventh day.
So could it be that God is sending a vision that would bring it all together and be a last minute plea to mankind?
JohnDB
Member
The reason why is because of the Temple. (Or lack thereof)
4verbs used seven times each over 6 days.
It's part of a thematic reference throughout scripture to the Holy of Holy's.
Taniesh
Member
You lost me on this one, don't know what your talking about.
JohnDB
Member
You lost me on this one, don't know what your talking about.
There is a lot going on with the creation account than can be discussed in a thread post .
Suffice it to say that there was nothing hidden about God resting.
But God resting is in contradiction of what Jesus said in John 5:17 (NIV)
So maybe something else is being intended.
For example God spoke most of Creation into existence but with man God formed him out of clay with his hands and then breathed life into him....a much more intimate session of creating. A much more personally involved process...that was complete when done.
The Hebrew for evening has a connotation of becoming obscure or chaos. The Hebrew word for morning has a connotation of becoming clear or ordered. Meaning God creates order out of chaos. But also evening and morning frame the night time. Meaning that how things were done are God's secret and hidden.
None of this was said about God resting on the 7th day. Meaning that it wasn't hidden or secret or had to be formed out of chaos. But it still contradicts the verse in John.
As has been mentioned, Habakkuk is referring to something that has already happened. And it has nothing to do with Daniel 8:26 and Daniel 8:26 has nothing to do with Genesis 1.
Daniel 8:26 is referring back to Daniel 8:14: 'And he said to me, "For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state."'
Taniesh
Member
Then if it has already happened as you say then why do you think it says in
Habakkuk Chapter 2
3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak,
and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
Considering we are close to the end would it not stand to reason it is close to soon that that vision will speak? 
It depends what is meant by "the end." It does not necessarily mean the last days or last day. It could mean the end of an appointed period of time.Then if it has already happened as you say then why do you think it says in
Habakkuk Chapter 2
3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak,
and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
JohnDB
Member
Habakkuk 1:6
Habakkuk was a contemporary prophet with Jeremiah. The story of Bel and the Dragon is a legendary story (not historical) of how he fed poor Daniel.
The end spoken about is the end of the first Temple period. Israel is going into captivity (same as what Jeremiah is saying) and there ain't much that is going to stop it as the people refuse to behave.
Granted the Babylonians are more wicked that the Israelites but Israel is "self righteous" and that is something that God can't stand whatsoever. So God is going to fix it.
God owns the land of Israel...and it was never because of their righteousness that they were loaned the land.
Deuteronomy 9:6
Mostly because of the promise to their forefathers.
And these had broken every Law and rule. So out they were going.
Habakkuk was a contemporary prophet with Jeremiah. The story of Bel and the Dragon is a legendary story (not historical) of how he fed poor Daniel.
The end spoken about is the end of the first Temple period. Israel is going into captivity (same as what Jeremiah is saying) and there ain't much that is going to stop it as the people refuse to behave.
Granted the Babylonians are more wicked that the Israelites but Israel is "self righteous" and that is something that God can't stand whatsoever. So God is going to fix it.
God owns the land of Israel...and it was never because of their righteousness that they were loaned the land.
Deuteronomy 9:6
Mostly because of the promise to their forefathers.
And these had broken every Law and rule. So out they were going.
Taniesh
Member
It would obviously only mean the end of that particular period of time. As JohnDB has pointed out, the period of time in Habakkuk is the end of the first Temple period. Which has since been followed by other periods of time, each having an ending but none being the very end, the return of Christ.
well the end of an appointed time would be the end wouldn't it?
turnorburn
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i see lots of confusion here the scriptures state..
3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.(KJV)
"At the end it shall speak"
Free: Here you said this: "It depends what is meant by "the end." It does not necessarily mean the last days or last day. It could mean the end of an appointed period of time"
But here you said this: "It would obviously only mean the end of that particular period of time."
Which is it?
3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.(KJV)
"At the end it shall speak"
Free: Here you said this: "It depends what is meant by "the end." It does not necessarily mean the last days or last day. It could mean the end of an appointed period of time"
But here you said this: "It would obviously only mean the end of that particular period of time."
Which is it?
turnorburn
Member
God spoke everything into existence John man isn't a mud pie..
JohnDB
Member
This scripture is saying otherwise...
Genesis 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.