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Was Esau rejected because he wouldn't repent or because he couldn't repent?
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Hi Brother DougK. The older will follow the younger as those of the Old Covenant were to go after the new?Was Esau rejected because he wouldn't repent or because he couldn't repent?
Esau was not called but Jacob was, (Gen. 25:23) for God, according to election, before either one was born or had done good or bad, so that election might stand and not of works, but of God who calls. For the children of the flesh are NOT the children of God.....but only the children of promise. (Romans 9:6-13) Man has no carnal work to bring before the Lord...nothing! But salvation is not dependent on man, for there is no righteous man, there has never been a righteous man from Adam to the present....no not one (Romans 3:9-20) Righteousness is only attributed to man by God through the Grace of God in Jesus Christ. (Romans 3:21-30). Not by works, but by faith (taking God at His word) (Titus 3:5-7) (Eph. 2:8-9) (Rom. 4:6-7) (Rom. 10:3) (Rom. 5:17-18) (Phil. 3:9) (Rom. 3:22) (Rom. 8:3-4) (Rom. 4:3-5) (Gal. 3:10-11)... And I can give you another 87 verses that say, Righteousness is by faith...not of works.Was Esau rejected because he wouldn't repent or because he couldn't repent?
Esau was never interested in repenting God did not reject him he rejected GodI was just going to say that Esau's repentence or lack of repentence is not the real issue. Esau was rejected because God chose Jacob. No one but God fully understand why God does what He does.
Of course all the other answers were so much better than mine.
Hi Eugene, Have you noticed, that most of those that God called in the chosen blood line of Israel and The savior were always of the Younger. (Cain and Seth) (Adam and Christ) (Esau and Jacob) (Reuben and Joseph) (Saul and David)The older will follow the younger as those of the Old Covenant were to go after the new?
Easu and Jacob akin to the Old and New natures?
I agreeEsau was never interested in repenting God did not reject him he rejected God
Interesting. That just brought Solomon and his brother Nathan to mind also, and then we do read of Israeli in the following scriptures.Hi Eugene, Have you noticed, that most of those that God called in the chosen blood line of Israel and The savior were always of the Younger. (Cain and Seth) (Adam and Christ) (Esau and Jacob) (Reuben and Joseph) (Saul and David)
Some questions DEFINITELY feel above my pay grade, but just throwing this out for comment:Esau was never interested in repenting God did not reject him he rejected God
are you reformed doctrine ?Some questions DEFINITELY feel above my pay grade, but just throwing this out for comment:
Malachi 1:1-5 NASB
1 The oracle of the word of the LORD to Israel through Malachi.
2 “I have loved you,” says the LORD. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the LORD. “Yet I have loved Jacob; 3 but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and appointed his inheritance for the jackals of the wilderness.” 4 Though Edom says, “We have been beaten down, but we will return and build up the ruins”; thus says the LORD of hosts, “They may build, but I will tear down; and men will call them the wicked territory, and the people toward whom the LORD is indignant forever.” 5 Your eyes will see this and you will say, “The LORD be magnified beyond the border of Israel!”
Romans 9:10-16 NASB
10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; 11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, 12 it was said to her, “THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.” 13 Just as it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.”
14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15 For He says to Moses, “I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION.” 16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
I think God may have rejected Esau as well.
complicated / mess it wasIf you asked Rebecca about her sons and family situation she would say, "Well, it is complicated."
Does the bible support reformed doctrine in the quoted verses?are you reformed doctrine ?
most reformers use these scriptures very heavy to support there doctrine Esau made the choice it is rather odd the way Jacob got the Birthright . even though God promised it to him... God knows our hearts. i also compare it to Cain and able God rejected cain offering. cain had a bad heart .i even believe Judas had a chanceDoes the bible support reformed doctrine in the quoted verses?
I just pointed to sections of scripture that appear at first glance to say that God can hate someone (Esau).
(I didn't write the verses and I am careful to leave it to each person to interpret what they mean on their own. I simply feel it is dangerous to pretend they do not exist.)