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and the lake of fire has to be considered hell because all of the verses that speak of the sinners doom in Hell. Yes it is literally gehennah, or lake of fire. But the english equivalent for gehennah is hell. So that is why evangelists and pastors alike use the term hell.
 
godsquadgeek said:
sort of like how we call Jesus , Jesus and not his hebrew name Y'Shua. We call all those things hell.
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I knew a man who preferred the Aramaic pronunciation, so I used the Aramaic pronunciation when talking to him. You talk to people in the language they understand.

When evangelists preach to unbelievers, they use hell because the average American understands that a place of punishment is being talked about. If the evangelist starts talking about Hades and Gehenna, they no longer know what the evangelist is talking about. They start thinking of Hollywood movies about the river Styx, and a ferryman.

Of course, when talking to scholars, its better to use Hades and Gehenna, because that is the language scholars understand better. Tailor your speech to your audience, so they know what you are talking about.
 
Michael74 said:
I knew a man who preferred the Aramaic pronunciation, so I used the Aramaic pronunciation when talking to him. You talk to people in the language they understand.

When evangelists preach to unbelievers, they use hell because the average American understands that a place of punishment is being talked about. If the evangelist starts talking about Hades and Gehenna, they no longer know what the evangelist is talking about. They start thinking of Hollywood movies about the river Styx, and a ferryman.

Of course, when talking to scholars, its better to use Hades and Gehenna, because that is the language scholars understand better. Tailor your speech to your audience, so they know what you are talking about.
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No one is saying to use Gehenna in talking to people. The position I have put forward has been quite clear--Hades and Gehenna do not refer to the same place and therefore both cannot be hell. The final place of punishment is the lake of fire, what Jesus referred to as Gehenna, and what we call hell. I have stated all this previously. And no one need say Hades, as it is the grave.
 
We can slice this up as much as we want and think we have it all correct and that God will act according to our understanding. An example of this is in post #14, with a chart that sincerely tries to illustrate everything Scripture tells us about Judgment events.

It depicts 4 separate resurrections.

The one thing we actually know is that all Judgment has been given to the Son. I think if Jesus wants one person to be burned up in the natural timeframe, another to be purged by fire in whatever timeframe of His choosing before being redeemed, and yet another to suffer eternal conscious torment (ECT) for whatever duration of His choosing

He can do all that AND be Just in all His Judgments.

He can also speak to us in terms we understand, as a means of giving us a glimpse of things we cannot understand. I find He tends to do this.

I hope hell, in all it's various forms and conceptions, is empty and devoid of our species. To the Glory of God! Which is synonymous with being to satan's ultimate shame of being seen for who and what he is. I know I do NOT enjoy his company.
 
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Matthew 7:13-14 NIV
 
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godsquadgeek said:
and the lake of fire has to be considered hell because all of the verses that speak of the sinners doom in Hell. Yes it is literally gehennah, or lake of fire. But the english equivalent for gehennah is hell. So that is why evangelists and pastors alike use the term hell.
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What picture comes to mind when you think of Hell?
That's why. The thought of everlasting suffering in fire for eternity. Suffering forever due to finite transgressions tends to be a very unpalatable image. Those "fire and brimstone" preachers of ages past screaming about death and suffering in tent revivals , for example.
How many people filed to the front of the tent for salvation because they didn't want to burn?
There is an atheist on YouTube who burned in an accident. And he accounts his near death experience as one where he went to Hell. He's now a convert to Christ.

When Emmanuel was speaking of Gehenna, it was the place of constant fires outside the city of Jerusalem. There the locals refuse was burned, as well as the bodies of the condemned crucified, or killed in some other capital punishment method and who's family could not afford a tomb or burial. The dead were consumed in the fire. And according to Jewish law, those who perished died in their sin.
Powerful parable that our precious Emmanuel delivered concerning what was a grave for those who would not be interred any other way. And for those who were not Jewish , a powerful image lesson concerning the scrolls and obedience to God's laws so as to not die outside of the faith and in sin.
I personally can't imagine the sight or the smell or how the sky would look with that constant smoke and embers filling the air. Lord have mercy.

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
UberMink said:
What picture comes to mind when you think of Hell?
That's why. The thought of everlasting suffering in fire for eternity. Suffering forever due to finite transgressions tends to be a very unpalatable image. Those "fire and brimstone" preachers of ages past screaming about death and suffering in tent revivals , for example.
How many people filed to the front of the tent for salvation because they didn't want to burn?
There is an atheist on YouTube who burned in an accident. And he accounts his near death experience as one where he went to Hell. He's now a convert to Christ.

When Emmanuel was speaking of Gehenna, it was the place of constant fires outside the city of Jerusalem. There the locals refuse was burned, as well as the bodies of the condemned crucified, or killed in some other capital punishment method and who's family could not afford a tomb or burial. The dead were consumed in the fire. And according to Jewish law, those who perished died in their sin.
Powerful parable that our precious Emmanuel delivered concerning what was a grave for those who would not be interred any other way. And for those who were not Jewish , a powerful image lesson concerning the scrolls and obedience to God's laws so as to not die outside of the faith and in sin.
I personally can't imagine the sight or the smell or how the sky would look with that constant smoke and embers filling the air. Lord have mercy.

Matthew 10:28
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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We do not go to eternal he'll based on finite sin. But on eternal sin. We sin every day in every way. If we look with lust at a young woman, we committ adultery with her in the heart. So in that one act is the sin of adultery and lust. If we cheat on our taxes and don't be completely honest, we'll that is lying and stealing both. If we only sinned one time an hour, that's 8640 sins a year and with an average life span of 80 years that's 691,200 sins. At only one bad thought per hour! Now it appears to be more understandable why we have eternal hell.
 
godsquadgeek said:
We do not go to eternal he'll based on finite sin. But on eternal sin. We sin every day in every way. If we look with lust at a young woman, we committ adultery with her in the heart. So in that one act is the sin of adultery and lust. If we cheat on our taxes and don't be completely honest, we'll that is lying and stealing both. If we only sinned one time an hour, that's 8640 sins a year and with an average life span of 80 years that's 691,200 sins. At only one bad thought per hour! Now it appears to be more understandable why we have eternal hell.
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I think people believe what they think they deserve.
The contrast here is the average human life time to sin is less than eternity some believe is required to pay for it.
Maybe an analogy helps.
Someone steals a chocolate bar because they're starving and it's the closest thing in the store to grab while the clerk is unaware.
The starving thief is arrested at the age of 19 and sentenced to life without parole in prison. He lives to be 102.
Because lack of human charity to feed him sentenced him to prison for trying to eat a chocolate bar.

By contrast, Emmanuel arrives, buys the chocolate bar and gives the young starving 19 year old a home , a job, and everlasting food.
 
UberMink said:
I think people believe what they think they deserve.
The contrast here is the average human life time to sin is less than eternity some believe is required to pay for it.
Maybe an analogy helps.
Someone steals a chocolate bar because they're starving and it's the closest thing in the store to grab while the clerk is unaware.
The starving thief is arrested at the age of 19 and sentenced to life without parole in prison. He lives to be 102.
Because lack of human charity to feed him sentenced him to prison for trying to eat a chocolate bar.

By contrast, Emmanuel arrives, buys the chocolate bar and gives the young starving 19 year old a home , a job, and everlasting food.
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But we are doing much more than simply stealing a chocolate bar. For example a hungry person lusts for food, which is a sin. He probably will kill for food, which is murder, and he no doubt will steal that food when able to. Besides that they are anxious not knowing when next meal will come. So right there that is like four sins, and if they repeat this cycle every time they hunger that is 4 × 4 times a day or 16 sins per day, 5840 sins a year, 467,200 sins per life time just based on food sins.
 
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