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Among other things, I said this:
"Let's be clear. In order to come to faith in Christ, one MUST repent. Or change their mind, about a lot of things."
billybalke said:
Thanks for the confession that its not by faith only but faith plus repentance.
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Confession?? It's coming to faith in Christ that saves. Not just deciding a number of things that you have believed are wrong.

NOW, what else must one do? What about the confession that Jesus is the Christ? Matt.10:32; Acts 8:37, 38.

You may not claim to be a Calvinist but you defend their belief.
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Which belief specifically? Are you not aware that Calvinists, Arminians, and free grace theology have overlapping beliefs?

NO what I've presented is not my only proof text. HERE IS MY CHALLENGE TO YOU: LETS DISCUSS THIS ON THE ONE ON ONE AND YOU WILL SEE MORE. WILL YOU MEET THE CHALLENGE???
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We're doing that right now. Why is this so uncomfortable?
 
FreeGrace said:
Among other things, I said this:
"Let's be clear. In order to come to faith in Christ, one MUST repent. Or change their mind, about a lot of things."

Confession?? It's coming to faith in Christ that saves. Not just deciding a number of things that you have believed are wrong.


Which belief specifically? Are you not aware that Calvinists, Arminians, and free grace theology have overlapping beliefs?


We're doing that right now. Why is this so uncomfortable?
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You didn't answer the question on confession of Christ.

Why are you uncomfortable with a one on one?? Will you accept the offer?
 
I suggest the two of you discuss a one-on-one debate on your own in a PM, rather than here. I'd be interested in seeing that, but it's probably better to work this out in private. Thanks!
 
FreeGrace said:
No, it is not included in 'believe'. To believe is to accept as true. To repent is to change the mind.


Oh, no. I disagree. What is it that they believe? That "God is One". James 2:19 - You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

The subject of what is believed in 2:19 is about monotheism, or "God is One", a particularly Jewish thought.

Now, why do the devils believe that? From faith? No, from experience.

For example, a young child is warned about never touching a hot stove. If they believe what they are told and never touch a hot stove, then they believe from faith. But one who HAS touched a hot stove believes from experience, not faith.

See the difference?


But monotheism is NOT saving faith. As proven by the Pharisees vs Jesus. They all believed that God is One, but they weren't saved. They all thought they were saved by keeping the Law. A works salvation.


Why did the demons make their claim? From faith, as we do? No, from experience.

I'm sure it's common knowledge that all demons/devils were angels before they rebelled. They all were created and lived with God, until the rebellion of Lucifer. So what they all believe was from experience, not faith.

Let's not confuse or conflate the 2.


No, it's not. Any more than "believe the stove is hot" is a "general word".

It always depends on the subject of what is believed. And whether the belief is from faith or experience.
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If as you say you are not a Calvinist then I must ask for clarification: When in your understanding does one have, "experience" eternal life. Thanks.

TO BE DEEP IN SCRIPTURE IS TO CEASE BEING CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT, JEW OR CALVINIST.
ROM.16:16
 
billybalke said:
If as you say you are not a Calvinist then I must ask for clarification: When in your understanding does one have, "experience" eternal life. Thanks.
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You've conflated 2 distinct issues.

The Bible is clear that whoever believes in Christ HAS eternal life. That is possession.

But, to "experience" eternal life, one must be in eternity. That's where it is experienced.

Just like our promised glorified bodies. We will experience that body in eternity.

So, the believer presently HAS eternal life, and will experience that life in eternity.
 
FreeGrace said:
To believe in Christ for salvation is to confess Him. I see it as simple as that.


I'm not. My question about being uncomfortable was for you. Seems you're uncomfortable with this forum.


Go ahead and set it up and let me know how to find it.
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Let me know what you will affirm. If its something I can negate with scripture I'll get in touch with WIP
God bless
 
I said this:
"Go ahead and set it up and let me know how to find it."
billybalke said:
Let me know what you will affirm. If its something I can negate with scripture I'll get in touch with WIP
God bless
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What was it that you wanted to go "one-on-one" about?? The "one-on-one" is your idea.
 
It's probably best to continue this part of your discussion in SAC rather than in this thread as it is off topic.
 
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