[_ Old Earth _] Evolution is not based on empirical evidence

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Both posts were insulting. Need I remind everyone of the rules?

Rule 2 - No Flaming:
You will not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. This will include misquoting another member out of context. You may discuss another member's beliefs but there will be no personal attacks on the member himself or herself. This includes implied accusations that another member is not a Christian.

Let's stop the name calling or official warnings will start getting handed out.

 

[Guest]

because she's incredibly stupid.

Here's the kicker:


she's a teacher.

: You are incredibly insulting and you have no reason to
resort to such unsavory behavior!
GROW UP!!!

 

[Asimov]

because she's incredibly stupid.

Here's the kicker:


she's a teacher.

: You are incredibly insulting and you have no reason to
resort to such unsavory behavior!
GROW UP!!!

I realised that insulting people is not the way to a good discussion, I apologized and now I am not insulting you anymore.

I find it interesting that you enjoy blaming others for being insulting, yet you yourself are not any better.

The only difference is that I and others have apologized.

You have not.

 

[Guest]

The only difference is that I and others have apologized.

You have not.

:smt060 Tuatha'an,I hope you really mean this,but it seems to
be all of a sudden,and not very sincere.
I cannot treat the devil the same as I treat The Lord.
You may not be aware that Satan is using you,but I am.
If you were offended,I am sorry. You appeared as though
you wanted to play rough all the time.

 

[goliwog man]

Right what was we talking about? I was to busy tripping over the heater.

Secondly, who in the world are you to define what a "true blue" athiest is?

True blue pops up all over the place but theres no such thing as true blue anything. Allot of people go on about being true blue australians yet 80% came from countries other then australia in some aspect. In the same way an athiests view will always change depending on the person. Theres no set of rules for athiests or ten commandments so to each his own.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Right what was we talking about? I was to busy tripping over the heater.

Secondly, who in the world are you to define what a "true blue" athiest is?

True blue pops up all over the place but theres no such thing as true blue anything. Allot of people go on about being true blue australians yet 80% came from countries other then australia in some aspect. In the same way an athiests view will always change depending on the person. Theres no set of rules for athiests or ten commandments so to each his own.

That was of course, my point.
I prefer the "No 'true' scotsman, my ARSE!" image:

 

[Guest]

http://tccsa.tc/archives/cartoons/believe.html
I just wanted to say that what I mean by "True Blue Atheist" is that
I find it very difficult to believe that a real atheist would believe in
evolution. Being an atheist and an evolutionist contradict one another.
Thats like being a Nun and a prostitute.
Evolution is religious.Atheism is religious free,so why would an atheist
accept evolution,especially with all it's many problems and it's missing
links and wide gaps?

 

[Blazin Bones]

Hello my friends. How are we all today? I find myself missing the fun of discussing evolution. Mrs. Eyeliner has a point, since evoultion has become such an obcession to some of you atheist,[ no offense intended my atheistic friends] you really have gotten a taste for what religion is like. You all are very devoted to this cause, I've read many of your posts, and it seems that you would not like to give up this opinion for any cost. I wish you could give such a devotion to the Father. Serving him has a much more affordible cost, and in most cases, he will return the costs of this full-surrender that is accepting the Gospel of the Messiah. Love and Blessings to you all.

 

[Tiger]

Evolution is religious.Atheism is religious free,so why would an atheist
accept evolution,especially with all it's many problems and it's missing
links and wide gaps?

You want to try that again?

atheism



n. the theory or belief that God does not exist.

- DERIVATIVES atheist n. atheistic adj. atheistical adj.
- ORIGIN C16: from Fr. athéisme, from Gk atheos, from a- 'without' + theos 'god'.

Oxford English Dictionary

Religious free? Don't think so... :roll:

 

[Blazin Bones]

Welcome to the forum's, Tiger.[ that sounds like a cheesey line from a movie. no offense intended.]I'm Brutus, and I'm glad you've come to join us.

Please read the post's before Mrs. Eyeliner's to understand the context of why she said what she did. Then read my post which I believe explains her point.[ correct me if I'm wrong blueeyeliner]

Question? You are an Atheist, right?

God's blessings to all.

 

[Asimov]

Well, Brutus, you think you may have it all figured out about us atheists. But you can’t figure out anything you don’t understand. My religion is not evolution. My beliefs are not evolutionary in origin.

A religion is defined as 4 things.

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

Evolution is not supernatural, it is in fact a naturalistic explanation of the variation of life. It is a mechanism. Evolution has nothing to do with the creation or governing of the universe.

2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

As evolution is not number 1, it is therefore not number 2, because number 2 is a result of number 1.

3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

Evolution is not a set of beliefs, it is a mechanism. I have my own set of beliefs. It is not a value, I have other values that do not relate to evolution. And it is not a practice, because I do not practice evolution. And there are no spiritual leaders in evolution, because evolution is not a supernatural explanation.


4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

Evolution is not a cause, it is a mechanism, it has no goal to achieve. Evolution is not a principle, as I don’t live my life by evolution. It is also not an activity, because individuals do not try to evolve (in the sense of evolution). That being said, discussing, and debating evolution, would be an activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. Any part of our daily life could be construed as religious according to this definition, if we do it on a regular basis. Our jobs even.

So you see Brutus, evolution is not a religion, nor should it be. It says nothing of how humans behave, how they should act, or what they should strive to do. Do you know why? Because Science goes on naturalistic explanations, and leaves supernatural things to people with supernatural beliefs, that is why.

Evolution is not the activity that I pursue with zeal, it is debating, and discussing. Obtaining knowledge in every form.

Why should I devote myself to your God? He is no different than any other God before him. For what reason should I believe he exists??

 

[Tiger]

Welcome to the forum's, Tiger.[ that sounds like a cheesey line from a movie. no offense intended.]I'm Brutus, and I'm glad you've come to join us.

Please read the post's before Mrs. Eyeliner's to understand the context of why she said what she did. Then read my post which I believe explains her point.[ correct me if I'm wrong blueeyeliner]

Brutus, I've been lurking around here for months, so I know exactly what B.E.L. means when she says that.

What B.E.L. is saying is that an Atheist denies religion, when it is just the denial of God. As she is using an incorrect deffinition in her arguement, it is unsurprising that she has come to a fallicious conclusion about Atheists and evolution.

If, however, B.E.L. meant to say that Atheism is God free, then her arguement against an Atheist accepting evolution (a religion in her eyes) is meaningless as evolution (if it is indeed a religion) worships no God and in therefore not in conflict with Atheism.

As a result of this, your post doesn't explain what B.E.L. is trying to say as your post is talking about something different. (although it does have a point in that there are people that are devoted to evolution in a semi-religious way)

Question? You are an Atheist, right?

'Fraid not... I'm a Skeptic.

I doubt everything, until there is verifiable proof of something. (and even then, I still have doubts :-D )

God's blessings to all.

Thank you... Best wishes to you too.

 

[ThinkerMan]

Mrs. Eyeliner has a point, since evoultion has become such an obcession to some of you atheist,[ no offense intended my atheistic friends] you really have gotten a taste for what religion is like. You all are very devoted to this cause, I've read many of your posts, and it seems that you would not like to give up this opinion for any cost.

At least for my part (and I will let my co-horts speak for themselves, though I suppose they would agree), my obsession is not related to evolution per se.

Why I have stuck around, and participate here, is because I hate to see science, logic and reason perverted.

Most of the scientific claims here are simply wrong, dependent on fringe, non-peer reviewed research. The logical claims made are also often lacking.

Evolution only provides a medium to discuss the larger issue, which is the underlying scientific method and validity used to support or disprove it.

Which is why when a thread diverges from evolution to cosmology or other related topics, we follow with the same vigor, since they also question accepted, current scientific conclusions and theories.

 

[goliwog man]

An athiest is a person that doesnt put there trust into any God. They dont have to put there trust in eveolution. Evolution isnt considered religion because it has no God. But having a religion and acting religously are 2 different things. e.g some people go to the footie games religously others wouldnt dare miss there favourite tv show. I would say some athiests are into evolution religously but arent religous. Then others just dont care.

But in any case were not here to lable or be labled. Cmon christians theres work to be done

 

[Guest]

but you're basically saying adults should be incurious and dogmatic, which you also fail to show as normal. Why should adults be incurious?

8-) No,what I am saying is that Monkey's are curious,and Cat's are
curious. To call denying God curious doesn't seem like curiosity to me,
it appears to be more like IGNORANCE!
There is nothing wrong in searching for answers or searching for the truth
because this will lead you to God,but because you haven't learned the -
the truth yet,I know you are not actively looking for it.

 

[Guest]

Brutus, I've been lurking around here for months, so I know exactly what B.E.L. means when she says that.

What B.E.L. is saying is that an Atheist denies religion, when it is just the denial of God. As she is using an incorrect deffinition in her arguement, it is unsurprising that she has come to a fallicious conclusion about Atheists and evolution.

If, however, B.E.L. meant to say that Atheism is God free, then her arguement against an Atheist accepting evolution (a religion in her eyes) is meaningless as evolution (if it is indeed a religion) worships no God and in therefore not in conflict with Atheism.

8-) Atheists claim that they don't believe in God or any gods,and they
also don't get involved in any religions,yet Evolution comes from religions
so that is a contradiction for the atheist slash evolutionist whether they
are aware of where evolution got started or not. Evolution is still in many
religions today and is still growing strong in religions period. It came from
religion and it's still in religion.
You don't have to be a Rocket Scientist to know this.
Atheists don't denie having a religion?

 

[Tiger]

8-) Atheists claim that they don't believe in God or any gods

You've got that part right...

and they also don't get involved in any religions

"Warning, this is a false assumption"

You are assuming something that is not correct. As a result of which, your entire arguement, (which is based on that assumption) is meaningless.

yet Evolution comes from religions

Please provide evidence for that statement. (and not just a plethora of links to vaguely relevent sites. I require you to point out the evidence and show why that statement is true)

so that is a contradiction for the atheist slash evolutionist whether they are aware of where evolution got started or not.

As I have pointed out, you are making a false assumption there, and as such, have come to an erroneous conclusion.

Evolution is still in many
religions today and is still growing strong in religions period. It came from
religion and it's still in religion.

Provide us with proof, (showing us the proof, not just throwing links at us... Quote the relevent part and provide the link to show where it is from) and show us why you state that.

You don't have to be a Rocket Scientist to know this.
Atheists don't denie having a religion?

I hope you will actually pay attention to the answer to that question...

No, they do not deny having a religion, they just deny a belief in God.
If, as you keep preaching to us, evolution is a religion, there is no contradiction in an Atheist "believing" in it as it does not contain any form of God in itself.

 

[Sophistress]

[quote:151a4]and they also don't get involved in any religions

"Warning, this is a false assumption"[/quote:151a4]

Indeed. For example, Buddhists are religious but do not worship a creator god.

 

[ThinkerMan]

Evolution is still in many
religions today and is still growing strong in religions period. It came from
religion and it's still in religion.

Blueeyeliner - BEWARE!!!!

Gravity comes from pagans. Aristole and the ancient greeks (well-known as flaming pagans!) believed that objects fall to the ground!

They believed the gods made four elements, and that (gasp!) heavy objects from the two elements "Earth" and "Water" fall to the ground!

If I were you, I would stop believing in this ancient pagan belief and start flying. Everybody knows that gravity is an ancient pagan belief.

http://www.taucetitech.com/~sweatman/grav.html

 

[Blazin Bones]

Well, Brutus, you think you may have it all figured out about us atheists. But you can’t figure out anything you don’t understand. My religion is not evolution. My beliefs are not evolutionary in origin.

A religion is defined as 4 things.

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

Evolution is not supernatural, it is in fact a naturalistic explanation of the variation of life. It is a mechanism. Evolution has nothing to do with the creation or governing of the universe.

2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

As evolution is not number 1, it is therefore not number 2, because number 2 is a result of number 1.

3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

Evolution is not a set of beliefs, it is a mechanism. I have my own set of beliefs. It is not a value, I have other values that do not relate to evolution. And it is not a practice, because I do not practice evolution. And there are no spiritual leaders in evolution, because evolution is not a supernatural explanation.


4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

Evolution is not a cause, it is a mechanism, it has no goal to achieve. Evolution is not a principle, as I don’t live my life by evolution. It is also not an activity, because individuals do not try to evolve (in the sense of evolution). That being said, discussing, and debating evolution, would be an activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. Any part of our daily life could be construed as religious according to this definition, if we do it on a regular basis. Our jobs even.

So you see Brutus, evolution is not a religion, nor should it be. It says nothing of how humans behave, how they should act, or what they should strive to do. Do you know why? Because Science goes on naturalistic explanations, and leaves supernatural things to people with supernatural beliefs, that is why.

Evolution is not the activity that I pursue with zeal, it is debating, and discussing. Obtaining knowledge in every form.

Why should I devote myself to your God? He is no different than any other God before him. For what reason should I believe he exists??

Well, The Tuatha'an, I'm glad I've finally had the opportunityto talk with you. I appreciate your ability to present evidence in a clear manner, but ask ThinkerMan how I resond to attitudes. I will continue to treat you with the respect you deserve unless you give me reason not to. Such as treating me, or my friends with disrespect[ including Mrs. Eyeliner]

Please return to my post and point to me where I claimed Evolution is a religion. I, in fact, know I did not. Allow me to quote myself, and show what i believe you misunderstood.

...since evoultion has become such an obcession to some of you atheist,[ no offense intended my atheistic friends] you really have gotten a taste for what religion is like. You all are very devoted to this cause, I've read many of your posts, and it seems that you would not like to give up this opinion for any cost.

I said you devote yourselves to It like a religion.

Now, my friend Tiger, as I told the Tuatha'an, I do not respond kindly to rudeness. Again, I ask you to read my explaination. While blueeyeliner may suggest that evolution has become a religion, [ and I agree] I did not present my information as such.