ex pre-tribulation rapture Christians?

[Scotth1960]

Dear Friends, How did God save you from the heresy which is the pre-tribulation rapture teaching? How did you learn there is only one second coming of Christ, and not 2 future comings of Christ, as pre-tribulationism teaches? Which verses OF THE BIBLE showed you the pre-tribulation teaching is WRONG (HERETICAL)? I believe that John Hagee is one of the more vocal preachers of this heresy, don't you?
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Hitch]

My dad taught it for decades and through the grace of God, with many helps and hinderances, found his way out. I just came along . It was along term process and , although there were occasional 'DOH" moments, it was along hard and lonely trail for dad. He found it neccessary to butt heads with his denomination and was for the most part, albeit unofficially, shunned.
If a single work helped the most he would probably cite The Millennium by Dr Lorainne Boettner .

 

[Alabaster]

The rapture of the Church is not the second coming. Post-tribbers and pre-tribbers believe the same thing about the event of Jesus' return, but the pre-tribbers are ahead of the game by seven years.

It's not a heresy, and in the end we will all meet Jesus in the same way.

 

[Scotth1960]

The rapture of the Church is not the second coming. Post-tribbers and pre-tribbers believe the same thing about the event of Jesus' return, but the pre-tribbers are ahead of the game by seven years.

It's not a heresy, and in the end we will all meet Jesus in the same way.

The resurrection of the Church happens AT the Second Coming of Christ, not seven years before the second coming. Then the Church will be forever with the Lord, not just for 1000 years. The rapture before a tribulation period contradicts Matthew 24, which says the elect are gathered AFTER the tribulation of those days. In Erie Scott Harrington

 

[Alabaster]

The resurrection of the Church happens AT the Second Coming of Christ, not seven years before the second coming. Then the Church will be forever with the Lord, not just for 1000 years. The rapture before a tribulation period contradicts Matthew 24, which says the elect are gathered AFTER the tribulation of those days. In Erie Scott Harrington

That is simply your interpretation.

The Church doesn't experience the Tribulation because it is not meant for her. It is the time of JACOB'S TROUBLE.

The elect in scripture often refers to the Jew. We have to be careful about interpreting.

 

[Scotth1960]

That is simply your interpretation.

The Church doesn't experience the Tribulation because it is not meant for her. It is the time of JACOB'S TROUBLE.

The elect in scripture often refers to the Jew. We have to be careful about interpreting.

Alabaster, The elect doesn't mean anything other than Christian. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, those distinctions DO NOT MATTER. Jews and Gentiles all need CHRIST. Scott Erie PA

 

[Pard]

It was easy, I have absolutely no view on that topic at all. I don't even know what the differences between the two are...

 

[jasoncran]

Alabaster, The elect doesn't mean anything other than Christian. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, those distinctions DO NOT MATTER. Jews and Gentiles all need CHRIST. Scott Erie PA

didnt the lord say this"jerusalem shall be trodden under till the times of the gentiles be fulfilled"
and the faith of both jew and gentile is the same in order to make it to heaven.

and also the jews are going to come back that is prophecied(not all but those who will come to the lord) that is what the tribulation is for.

 

[Hitch]

didnt the lord say this"jerusalem shall be trodden under till the times of the gentiles be fulfilled"
and the faith of both jew and gentile is the same in order to make it to heaven.

and also the jews are going to come back that is prophecied(not all but those who will come to the lord) that is what the tribulation is for.

Well Jason the scriptures say God willbring the jews back a second time, first from Egypt then Babylon, where does the OT or the NT say there will be a thrid time?

 

[Hitch]

It was easy, I have absolutely no view on that topic at all. I don't even know what the differences between the two are...

Good for you, dont be in hurry you might be able to avoid a great deal of unlearning. I suggest only that you build your view on what Jesus said, followed with what the apostles said.

 

[jasoncran]

Well Jason the scriptures say God willbring the jews back a second time, first from Egypt then Babylon, where does the OT or the NT say there will be a thrid time?

144,000 and also what paul said in romans ten

and didnt we have this basic argument

jesus when he said this who was he adressing??
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord
luke 13:35
where was he saying that?

if he said these jews here or any jew but he address the city herself, you all shall not see me, thus a nation as a whole.

 

[Hitch]

144,000 and also what paul said in romans ten

and didnt we have this basic argument

jesus when he said this who was he adressing??
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord
luke 13:35
where was he saying that?

if he said these jews here or any jew but he address the city herself, you all shall not see me, thus a nation as a whole.

I cant see haw this relates to the question , I'll post the passage;

11And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
13The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
14But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.
15And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod. 16And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

 

[jasoncran]

first off what chapter of isiah is that? and also reconcile acts one as if the apostles who spent three yrs surely know that question they asked the lord when at this time shall you restore the kingdom to isreal

if the christians are isreal then the apostles are dummies.
as they asked a silly question and take note of the answer he didnt rebuke them for that but said go and tell the world.

 

[Ashua]

I believe that there are two POST trib resurrections. One for the just, the other 1,000 years later for the unjust.

 

[Hitch]

first off what chapter of isiah is that? and also reconcile acts one as if the apostles who spent three yrs surely know that question they asked the lord when at this time shall you restore the kingdom to isreal

Well Jason had he told when might have something, but he didint. But I can quote Jesus saying he would take the kingdom away from Israel and give it to the nation that bears the fruit of it, and if this new nation is bearing the fruit of the kingdom why would God cut down the producing tree ,so to speak ?

if the christians are isreal then the apostles are dummies.
as they asked a silly question and take note of the answer he didnt rebuke them for that but said go and tell the world.

If you're trying to say he bid them to go and tell the wolrd about the restoration of the jewish kingdom I bid you repent.



Chapter 11

 

[reba]

here a rapture there a rapture every where a rapture..... This is what Jesus had to say about a rapture.

 

[Pard]

here a rapture there a rapture every where a rapture..... This is what Jesus had to say about a rapture.

Yup. One day Jesus is gonna come and pick us up to be with Him, and until that day I will keep on wondering what the heck the differences between a pre- and a post- tribber is, and also wondering why it even matters. 'cause even if you are wrong you still win!!!

 

[reba]

He did speak of a resurrection. The resurrection mattered enough to Jesus He repeted and repeted Himself.

Joh 5:28,29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at
the last day.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Alabaster]

Yup. One day Jesus is gonna come and pick us up to be with Him, and until that day I will keep on wondering what the heck the differences between a pre- and a post- tribber is, and also wondering why it even matters. 'cause even if you are wrong you still win!!!

That's right!

 

[Alabaster]

Alabaster, The elect doesn't mean anything other than Christian. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, those distinctions DO NOT MATTER. Jews and Gentiles all need CHRIST. Scott Erie PA

False. God uses the term 'elect' to refer to His people, Israel, and also for His people the Church (both Jews and Gentiles, all in Christ). We need discernment from God to make the difference.

There will come a time when God will deal specifically with the Jew, without the Church here.